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Little Mac posted:Iron Man was just kinda... okay? I like his voice for Tony quite a bit but it was a bit too much too fast. Bethany Cabe is a weird cut, as is Jocasta. Honestly, pre-2008 Iron Man characters need a whole new introduction. I disagree, but that's mostly because I feel 'too much, too fast' was a deliberate thing. It's throwing both the new character AND the readers into the deep end, and saying "Look, don't worry about the details too much- it's cool, look, here's Iron Man Megazord punching Fin Fang Foom." And honestly? That's the sort of thing I love. It's basically Tony Stark making his own version of the Future Foundation.
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I’m really loving Waid’s Doctor Strange two issues in. Changing the setting to space on a mission to find other worldly magic has really reinvigorated the character for me.
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It's been a really strong start and the art is just phenomenal. The book's been pretty good post-SW but this is a cool direction that's got so much potential.
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X-O posted:I’m really loving Waid’s Doctor Strange two issues in. Changing the setting to space on a mission to find other worldly magic has really reinvigorated the character for me. I enjoyed the first issue. Haven't read the second issue yet.
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Jun 22, 2018 18:26
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Edge & Christian posted:I don't want to speak for Mike but I assume the laughter is at the idea that any book with Adam Hughes interiors would come out at a pace greater than once every two years. This is true.
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Jun 23, 2018 11:23
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Gatts posted:I really love Mary Jane and wish she’d get her due with a great team and book. Get a load of this guy who's never read the Mary Jane books. (They're not in 616 continuity, but they still own).
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Jun 24, 2018 08:34
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Yvonmukluk posted:Get a load of this guy who's never read the Mary Jane books. They don't have Adam Hughes titty art so Gatts wouldn't be into them
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Jun 24, 2018 17:06
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Endless Mike posted:They don't have Adam Hughes titty art so Gatts wouldn't be into them How do people like Adam Hughes afford rent and poo poo when they take so long to actually draw anything? I figure covers pay more than interior, but at what kind of scale?
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Jun 24, 2018 17:10
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Skwirl posted:How do people like Adam Hughes afford rent and poo poo when they take so long to actually draw anything? I figure covers pay more than interior, but at what kind of scale? Don't forget commissions. "Mr. Hughes, I'll pay you $200 for an inked drawing of Black Cat chest-bumping Power Girl."
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Jun 24, 2018 17:33
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Skwirl posted:How do people like Adam Hughes afford rent and poo poo when they take so long to actually draw anything? I figure covers pay more than interior, but at what kind of scale? Lobok posted:Don't forget commissions. "Mr. Hughes, I'll pay you $200 for an inked drawing of Black Cat chest-bumping Power Girl." LoL if you think Hughes does a com for that cheap.
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Jun 24, 2018 18:41
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Rhyno posted:LoL if you think Hughes does a com for that cheap. Do you know what he does get for a commision? like how much would an 8.5x11 inked black and white cost from Hughes or someone else of that stature?
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Jun 24, 2018 19:01
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A-asking for...a friend???
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Jun 24, 2018 19:04
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site posted:A-asking for...a friend??? I'm just curious about the economics of it, even if it was as low $200 I couldn't afford it right now, and if I was going to drop a ridiculous amount on a comic book artist's art I'd try and get an original copy of something that was published.
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Jun 24, 2018 19:22
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His original pages sell for $2-3000 depending. And that's artwork he also got paid his page rate for so I'm betting an original one off he won't make any other money on would be crazy priced.
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Rhyno posted:His original pages sell for $2-3000 depending. And that's artwork he also got paid his page rate for so I'm betting an original one off he won't make any other money on would be crazy priced. Okay, so he just needs to do 1-2 a month to live comfortably. gently caress doing 22 interior pages at that point.
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Jun 24, 2018 20:34
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Skwirl posted:Okay, so he just needs to do 1-2 a month to live comfortably. gently caress doing 22 interior pages at that point. I'm sure his cover rate is quite high as well so a single cover a month probably pays his bills for the most part.
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Jun 24, 2018 20:45
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Skwirl posted:Okay, so he just needs to do 1-2 a month to live comfortably. gently caress doing 22 interior pages at that point. Did Hughes ever do a regular monthly? I can't recall.
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Dawgstar posted:Did Hughes ever do a regular monthly? I can't recall. Edge & Christian posted:I had kind of forgotten about that, and had completely forgot about Before Watchmen.
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Jun 24, 2018 21:23
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Dawgstar posted:Did Hughes ever do a regular monthly? I can't recall. He had a brief run on Justice League in 1990 or so. And then maybe the first 6 issues of Ghost in 1995 or 96. I think beyond that he's done 3 issues arcs here and there and mini series. And endless covers.
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His "big break" was working on the Giffen/DeMatteis era Justice League, where he did full interiors for issues 31-35, then 37-40. He did 43 and 44 and fell behind and only four pages of issue 45, took some time off and drew all of issue 51. He then took a year or so off to draw a Star Trek OGN with Chris Claremont and drew... most of the 96 pages? Then drew parts of four (non-contiguous) issues of the Legionnaires reboot in 1993, drew a few issues of Ghost for Dark Horse, two issues of a Gen13 mini-series, maybe a Vampirella one-shot I've forgotten? So basically the last time he did something resembling monthly interiors was about 28 years ago.
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Rhyno posted:I'm sure his cover rate is quite high as well so a single cover a month probably pays his bills for the most part. I wonder if artists ever do covers for cheaper than normal just to keep their name in the public eye. Like, do commissions dry up if you don’t do any cover work for a couple years?
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Open Marriage Night posted:I wonder if artists ever do covers for cheaper than normal just to keep their name in the public eye. Like, do commissions dry up if you don’t do any cover work for a couple years? I too have wondered this. The Moys haven't really done anything noteworthy in 20+ years and seem to subsist entirely off of porn commissions.
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Rhyno posted:LoL if you think Hughes does a com for that cheap. The drawing is avatar-sized.
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Rhyno posted:I too have wondered this. The Moys haven't really done anything noteworthy in 20+ years and seem to subsist entirely off of porn commissions. Nice work if you can get it. Speaking of porn commissions, it's never going to stop being hilarious to me that Joe Schuster drew bondage comics for the mob. Especially since he can't draw that many different different faces so it just looks like Lois Lane is topping Clark Kent.
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Rhyno posted:I too have wondered this. The Moys haven't really done anything noteworthy in 20+ years and seem to subsist entirely off of porn commissions. One did wonder how Joe Mad stayed afloat, although I seem to recall folks did buy rights for various Battle Chaser-y things.
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Dawgstar posted:One did wonder how Joe Mad stayed afloat, although I seem to recall folks did buy rights for various Battle Chaser-y things. He has/had a job in the video game industry. I know he sold several characters into development that never went anywhere but he's had a few games come out.
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From all of the "creator pay survey" things over the past few years, companies will pay you 2-3x what they do for an interior page for a cover. This is skewed a bit because the people responding to these are generally people like Reilly Brown (I'm not making GBS threads on him or anything of the sort, I'm just saying he's someone who openly talks about this sort of thing) and Brown is not at the level of an Adam Hughes (or any other really high profile 'name' artist), so the numbers are probably skewed even more if you're Hughes or Ross or Cho or whomever. The other huge thing here is the resale of pages, yeah. To use one example, here's Paolo Rivera's original art dealer's page. Regardless of what you get paid by the company, a page like this apparently sells (or hasn't sold yet) for $200:  If there's cool action or popular characters, maybe you can ask for $600 for a page like this:  If it's a splash page, that might go up to $1000 or so:  Meanwhile all of Rivera's covers (some of which are painted, some of which are just linework) are on the site for anywhere from $2000 to $11,000. Once you've hit the point that you can get a lot of cover work, you've got to really love sequential art (or be doing something creator owned) to want to go down into the trenches of drawing a car chase with proper perspective and storytelling, especially because you're not going to be able to resell it for a fraction of "Cool Hero Looking Cool in a void" could get you. I'm not saying it isn't a more aesthetically pleasing thing to hang on a wall, but in terms of Rivera's time do you really think this:  Was twenty times more labor intensive than that Mole Man page up there? Because one of them is going to net him twenty times as much money.
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God drat that’s owns.
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That rules. Didn't Gavok do a New Fantastic Four write up? What an awesome non team.
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Ant-Man and the Wasp just got one of those disgusting/great corporate tie-in comics  http://marvel.com/dell  
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Endless Mike posted:They don't have Adam Hughes titty art so Gatts wouldn't be into them I did read and like those Mary Jane books. They were good light fare. I also like Adam Hughes cheesecake titty art, as well as Frank Cho's and Terry Dodson's, etc. There's room for all good art. Gatts fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Jun 26, 2018 |
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Teenage Fansub posted:Ant-Man and the Wasp just got one of those disgusting/great corporate tie-in comics I don't read them, but I also don't mind them as long as they aren't ads for the military industrial complex.
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That is some excruciatingly bad dialogue Who is that supposed to be, cassie and nadia?
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Jun 26, 2018 01:34
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site posted:That is some excruciatingly bad dialogue Since it's a movie plug, I'm assuming it's MCU Cassie and Janet.
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Jun 26, 2018 01:45
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Cassie's 10 in the movie. edit: The actress is, anyway.
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Speaking of Marvel and Dell, I got a new Dell laptop a couple months ago while I was doing a rewatch of the MCU and then I got to Homecoming and saw that Ned was using the exact same laptop, which was...a weird feeling.
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TwoPair posted:Since it's a movie plug, I'm assuming it's MCU Cassie and Janet. I skimmed through it. It’s Nadia, not sure which continuity it’s in but Whitley wrote it so maybe 616?
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If that's Nadia it's too bad the artist/colorist had never bothered to look at a single image of her before making those pages
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It's in the same universe where Catwoman stopped by the Gotham City McDonalds for a Batman Returns collector's cup.
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I thought Cassie had perished, at least as much as possible.
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