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Mr Hootington posted:I won't read this issue for 6 months, but it sounds dumb and the only problem I have is the maybe death of Jack Flaggwho should have been kept in Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, I hope he isn't dead.
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JoshTheStampede posted:100% of the actual outrage I have seen (as opposed to just like, eyerolling) has been from people who like comics in a general sense but don't read them, certainly have not read Pleasant Hill or any recent Cap stuff, and who assume that this is a real forever change to the status quo. I do think it was dumb of them to embark upon this straightaway, since most of the lead-up to the Red Skull plot has been in books that don't say Captain America on the cover. I was working on an outline for an article about it and most of it's in Uncanny Avengers. Circutron posted:SKYSHARK is the best. Let me tell you about my pitch for an issue where Skyshark and Champagne Robot solve a Mystery or perhaps a Crime
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That issue was great, I loved all the background science fair projects in that issue. "YOU ALL SICKEN ME (and here's why)"
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twistedmentat posted:The panel with Ms Marvel, Nova and Spider-Man looking at each other was fantastic. Though I'm a bit confused on how Kamala and MIles didn't know each other, becuase we know that she showed up at Miles's house last month. I guess we can just say that Ms Marvel takes place before that. Which would explain why Goldballs wasn't with the Brooklyn team. There's a specific line Kamala says in that issue of Miles's book: she knows who he is, but won't tell him who she is. That gets thrown out the window after what future historians will call the Science Fair Incident. Or the debut of SKYSHARK, America's greatest hero.
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May 26, 2016 18:23
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The Serpent Society is an informal team of snake-themed villains who are primarily motivated by financial gain. The Sons of the Serpent are a relatively small group of explicitly racist terrorists and criminals who, in a shocking Defenders story from the '70s, turned out to be bankrolled by a wealthy, self-loathing black man.
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May 27, 2016 03:45
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Thank you I meant Sons of the Serpent, my bad. Too many drat snakes. Actually, I think you might be off the hook on this one. I went back to look at those issues of Sam's book and it turns out, just to make things confusing, the Society was funding a group of the Sons.
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May 27, 2016 03:50
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I can see the guy's point, I suppose. It's one thing to use Nazis, Nazi analogues, or a modern equivalent or descendant as your villains, but it's quite another for a character who's been getting used as a sort of bulletin board for tolerance for quite a while to become one of those Nazi analogues. I suppose I've just been down this road a few too many times before. Steve won't do anything totally unforgivable, or if he does, it'll be wholly attributable to what's most likely the Skull's influence, and as was said, it'll likely lead to a direct clash between Captains America. It also probably won't do his "Unity Squad" a hell of a lot of good, but you know it means Cable's going to develop X-Force 3.0 out of it.
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May 27, 2016 04:01
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BrianWilly posted:Like let's not pretend that Marvel and DC haven't in fact made a lot of legitimately terrible in-canon offensive character assassinations of iconic characters and that it's not that unreasonable to be afraid of it happening again at any given point. I think a valuable skill for being a fan of mainstream corporate cape comics at all is being able to selectively ignore or rationalize certain regrettable periods in a character's history. Tony Stark has had his character assassinated no less than, what, six times?
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May 27, 2016 04:06
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TFRazorsaw posted:... Red Skull was involved in facilitating Steve's restoration in the story immediately preceding this one. The flashback scenes of this issue "setting things up" are literally stained with red. Red Skull's DNA is ALL OVER this story. As I've said, I think it's fair to criticize the story for drawing upon a bunch of non-Captain America comics to set up its primary conflict, especially on the eve of Cap's latest billion-grossing movie. The Pleasant Hill scene doesn't make an explicit reference to the Red Skull being telepathic now, for example.
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May 27, 2016 04:38
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Pretty much everyone in Pleasant Hill has a weird illusion covering who they really are, though, so the Skull having one isn't particularly remarkable. In a vacuum, that scene would suggest the Skull is just another Pleasant Hill inmate, but one with an agenda and possibly super-strength.
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May 27, 2016 04:47
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If you're going to give anyone in the Marvel A-list a same-sex relationship right now, Tony's probably your best pick. Maybe Jane. Everyone else has something going on.
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May 27, 2016 04:51
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Probably Angela. Even though her book's canceled, it was pretty spectacularly gay.
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May 27, 2016 16:44
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:This whole CW2 situation at the end with She-Hulk. Doesn't A-Force have a healer? Aren't there at least a couple of healers around in the Marvel universe? Or like anyone with magic? It just seems really stupid to me that they're still bound to conventional medicine in a world of mutants and inhumans and all that crazy poo poo. Like is there really no contingency or means to treat She-Hulk if she's seriously injured? I'm expecting some kind of swerve on that, because it's dopey. She-Hulk was injured by one of War Machine's missiles going off in her face, which means Rhodey's out rocking around the world with ordinance that can kill a Hulk as part of his kit.
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Jun 1, 2016 18:18
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I think I'd have enjoyed the latest All New Wolverine more if not for the whole "Logan up to his waist in stomach acid" thing. It means that squad of SHIELD agents they were looking for "disappeared" because they got slowly digested by Fin Fang Foom. Yikes.
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Jun 1, 2016 22:43
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It was nice of them to kill off two relatively major characters who are both super easy to bring back on the next writer's whim, at least. Although Rhodey's ease of resurrection depends largely on somebody having read Greg Pak's War Machine run, and I think I'm the only one who did.
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Jun 2, 2016 08:45
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It's there with Gillen. Tony and Arno teamed up and tried to build a new kind of city.
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Jun 7, 2016 04:16
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Toxxupation posted:Spoilers for Howard the Duck but this might be the most amazingly dumbest loving poo poo ever. I own a comic where Jay Leno teams up with Spider-Man to fight ninjas, chief. It'll take more than that to even scratch the bottom of my "dumbest poo poo ever" list.
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Jun 8, 2016 00:33
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I don't think they were consistently drawing parallels between him and Magneto for no reason. He went from a superhero team leader to head of an independent nation-state to the field commander of something he persisted in calling the "Extinction Team" within a relatively short time, and kept making bolder and more worrying moves in the pursuit of mutant freedom.
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Jun 8, 2016 22:48
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* The first 20 issues or so of the 1980s New Mutants, going up to the Demon Bear stories * The original '70s "Death of Gwen Stacy" story, since it's one of the nails in the Silver Age's coffin * The Dark Phoenix Saga * The "Lifedeath" stories in Uncanny X-Men * Chris Claremont's run on Excalibur * The original Secret Wars, just for fun, and because it's had an oddly wide-ranging impact on what came after it (ends the Kitty/Peter relationship for a good twenty-five years afterward, introduces the black suit for Spider-Man, introduces Titania, etc.) * Doug Moench's Moon Knight, which led directly to Ellis and Shalvey's run thirty years later * Walter Simonson on Thor, pretty much all the way through * Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spider-Man #178-200, with DeMatteis and Sal Buscema; it's a bit of a forgotten arc for some reason, but it's great comics * Kurt Busiek and Fabian Nicieza on the original Thunderbolts. It gets very 1990s right after Busiek leaves and doesn't find its feet for a while, but once it does, it's a really good book up until Nicieza leaves * Christopher Priest's Black Panther, which reinvents the character and adds a good dozen things that are now standards for all later stories, although it's unnecessarily convoluted
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Jun 12, 2016 00:19
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I kind of miss Carmilla Black, the new Scorpion. I was rereading her debut arc today for some reason, and I thought she was cool, especially with the later ambiguity about whether or not she was Bruce Banner's kid.
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NikkolasKing posted:So I mainly read alternate universe stuff like Elseworlds in DC or miniseries from Marvel. I like the "but with a twist" formula, not to mention these series being shorter and contained means there's less time to rot or for incompetent writers to come onboard and ruin everything. Punisher and Hulk were really good. All of the rest, as I recall, were duds in one way or the other.
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NikkolasKing posted:I never understood him, or rather, I never understood his reputation. It seems many regard him as THE X-Men guy at one point but later on he's just viewed with absolute derision. I see the same thing with Frank Miller. I hear endless praise for his Daredevil but ask anyone about him and they have nothing but scathing comments. To some extent, you have to have been reading Claremont at the time, or at least you have to read some of the contemporary Marvel books. When he was at his peak, he was doing work that was much more densely textured and complex than virtually anyone else at Marvel, with the occasional exception of stuff like the "Demon in the Bottle" arc. His later work gets increasingly fetish-laden and prone to inadvertent self-parody, which is the reason for the modern reaction to him, but like I said in the "poo poo That Actually Happened" thread, Claremont has had a tremendous ripple effect on the entirety of Western superhero comics. If Lee and Kirby are modern comics' grandfathers, Claremont is the weird uncle who's in and out of the assisted living facility.
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Initiative has its moments, Academy is good all the way through, Arena/Undercover can and should be skipped, if not ignored entirely.
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Tom Taylor also made the first couple of years of the Injustice comic the best book at DC for a while. Dude's an alchemist.
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I think it's funny that Reader is a character for whom tricking his opponent into knocking his rear end out for a while is a legitimate strategy.
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I get the feeling that Ulysses is Generic Q. Caucasian because he's not surviving the event, one way or the other.
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I don't think Tony acting nuts over the death of his friend is entirely out of character, but it feels patently artificial as the start of an arc like this one, like it should be heading towards a moment where he has a breakdown and an issue ends with him sobbing in a dark room somewhere. It's not really the kind of thing that ends with him recruiting half the other superheroes on the planet to pick a fight.
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Nilbop posted:Marvel really needs to get a primer out for this stuff, because I fell off in the last couple years (hated Hickman's whole run on Avengers, hated it), got back in for Secret Wars (whose title makes no sense other than as a throwback to the 80s event, I guess?) and every time I turn a page I find out Thor's a chick, Doom has his face, Cap is old, Logan is dead, the X-Men might be gone and Peter Parker runs a multi-national company. Thor's a chick: the Original Sin crossover, followed up by volume 4 of Thor Doom has his face: the last issue of the core Secret Wars book Cap is old: the "Iron Nail" storyline in volume 6 of Captain America Logan is dead: fittingly, the Death of Wolverine limited series. There's a bunch that leads up to it in Cornell's run on Wolverine but a lot of it's flatly irrelevant. The X-Men are gone: mostly dealt with in Extraordinary, but that's a very skippable book Parker Industries: the first eight issues or so of ASM after the ANAD relaunch. Basically Tony's broke, Reed's gone, and everyone thinks Hank Pym is dead, so Peter's company ended up benefiting from a power vacuum, and at the same time, the terrorist organization Zodiac invested heavily in the company as part of an Evil Plot.
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Actually, yeah, Laura/Teen Grey would be kind of a fun take on the I-mustn't Logan/Jean era. Plus it'd let Teen Bobby be a totally justified rear end in a top hat to Teen Jean.
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Geoffrey Thorne wrote a bunch of the better episodes of "Leverage" and Prodigal at Thrillbent. This will probably be a pretty fun comic.
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I have a big '90s X-Force-shaped hole in my knowledge of the old New Mutants characters, but I was under the impression that Bobby's evil dad had died and left Bobby everything, which included a high position in a ridiculously wealthy evil Brazilian corporation that could buy the moon if it wanted.
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Nilbop posted:Very kind of you all to explain so much so readily, much appreciated! I've got two questions. One of the recent issues of Ultimates goes into how Thanos "woke" after SW in a void between worlds and remembered some of what had happened to him. He wasn't subject to the same wobbly recreation event that everyone else went through. A lot of the books are pretty readable, but Vision is unique.
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I enjoy the deconstructive nature of the book, since it really is a '60s Hanna-Barbera cartoon that somebody decided to seriously gently caress with. A robot superhero with his robot wife, children, and dog, who tries to manufacture a normal life in the suburbs to retreat to after a hard day's work saving the world, could be a sitcom. If you seriously edited the pages as written and maybe redid the coloring, it often would be a sitcom. ("Woof.") Instead, it's probably the creepiest book in Marvel's current line.
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Apraxin posted:Oh god, it just hit me hours after reading it that Gwen's dad is called Ted. He's Tedpool! And her mom's a ginger. She's a red Poole.
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I guess genetically, they'd be half-siblings?
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Yeah, you're right, let's look at it that way. I just realized that if I was going to argue that, I was also arguing that Carol-as-a-baseline-human was effectively the mother of Carol-as-hybrid, and let's just nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnope out of that now while we have the chance.
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He's using stuff from newuniversal.
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Little Mac posted:Is this Red Skull the old one or the current one? Aren't we supposed to forget there's a difference? It's explicitly a relatively fresh clone/copy that Arnim Zola made in 1942, as per the arc where he stole Xavier's brain.
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I get the idea behind the hashtag in general, since Winter Soldier effectively switches places with Sam and Natasha; Sam's the supportive, warm presence, while Natasha's the snarky sidekick. In a lot of other movies, a female character in Sam's general role in the story would also be a love interest. If you were going to put MCU Cap in a same-sex relationship, Sam would make a hell of a lot more sense than Bucky. Right now, I wouldn't want to put comics!Cap into anything of the sort, if only because he's in the middle of a mind-control plot and that opens up a bunch of potentially gross doors.
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Yeah, that's something that drives me up the wall about fan communities in general: dudes attempting to use their porn as proof of how progressive they are. If that worked, we'd have gotten legal lesbian marriage ten minutes after the VCR became affordable. I don't think this is a comics argument, though, or if it is, it's barely tangential. It's an MCU argument, because like I said before, Winter Soldier gives a lot of textual evidence for a same-gender attraction between Steve and Sam. It's a wholly valid reading of the film. I don't think you can make as solid an argument for Steve and Bucky, especially in the modern period where Bucky's spent so much time out of his mind. In the comics, I don't think it's an accident that there are so comparatively many gay characters in the current teenage generation, but you're kind of stuck there because of change resistance. If Marvel, or anybody, really wanted to up their representation game, the best call at this point would be a weekly 0.99 digital comic with a solid creative team, starring a new character or a couple of the newer ones. I bet you could move some units if you had, say, Kate Leth writing a book that tracked the superhero lesbian adventures of Karolina Deane and Julie Power, or Steve Orlando writing a book about Northstar.
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WickedHate posted:Which is why having Spider-Man 2 and Cap 2 at all is dumb. Either make the originals black or whatever or just make new characters/pull out underused existing ones. This is an argument you see a lot in nerd discussion, and it's always an argument that ignores the business side. If Marvel "just [made] new characters," those new characters would be DOA because they haven't been around for 25-plus years, with the notable exception of Kamala. Marvel is largely staffed by progressive dudes who see the value of representation, but it's a catch-22. They can't just introduce new characters to broaden their world, because it's throwing money on a fire, but they can successfully diversify their audience by handing off the mantles to new characters. That, in turn, gives them a ton of mainstream press, changes up the stories they can tell, and at least in the case of Thor, gives them a huge sales boost. One thing I don't think enough people have noticed and/or given Marvel enough credit for, though, is how they've been handling the supporting casts lately. Tony's dating that girl from Sri Lanka and hanging out in Japan, Peter's spending a lot of time in China, Daredevil's sidekick is an undocumented Chinese immigrant, Silk's best friends are two women who are dating, Deadpool has a Latina daughter, etc. The world feels a bit wider and less homogeneous than it did before.
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