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Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Tiberius Christ posted:

there is only one good batman(1989)

the rest are terrible except maybe the adam west one

Adam West always has been and always will be awesome. Also he has a 'pet' moose called Moose Wayne

https://twitter.com/therealadamwest/status/683139967401345024

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Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Fire Barrel posted:

Why don't they make a modern Justice League movie in the style of 60s batman? Just make it a campy comedy full of one liners, bright colors, and silly costumes. Hell, maybe even have song numbers and poo poo.

They actually made some of those shows back in 1979 with Adam West and Burt Ward reprising their roles as Batman and Robin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg2EvhTAer8

dog buttz posted:

Pull out PULL OUT CLARK

*jizz fires into and out of lois' body like a .50 cal round, severing her spine*
There was a deleted scene of pretty much this from the Will Smith superhero movie Hancock where he's having sex with a chick and pulls out just in time and smashes some holes through the ceiling with his super jizz but youtube has removed the video.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Fluffy Bunnies posted:

By good I mean a lot of people generally enjoyed it and that it did well at the box office.

Popularity /= quality

Well, not unless you're a Hollywood executive producer who only cares about profits I guess.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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WampaLord posted:

Great job, OP, thanks for delivering on the piss jar situation.

Is there some way we can secure a "Best supporting actor" Oscars nomination for the piss jar? Because I think it's earned it.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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gfanikf posted:

I was wondering if they had announced that already.

I can't wait for the scene where Bruce is really pounding on Clark and they stop to chat about their mothers

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Serious Frolicking posted:

i think you will find that this is very grim and serious with lots of violence so it is for adults now

Also Deadpool had swears and boobies and in one scene you could see the outline of Ryan Reynold's badly burnt, cancer riddled penis

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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happyhippy posted:

All it took was some one with half a brain to aim and shoot at their loving legs (in case of Captain America) or not have a super bad guy just stand there and do nothing until its too late.

Pretty much the entire plot of Batman v Superman would have been avoided if Superman had just dropped in on Batman and gone "Hey, things are getting a bit loving crazy, how about we talk it over?" Or even just hovering in the air a mile above Batman and listening in on his conversations and following up on all that poo poo independently. He works out that Bruce Wayne is Batman almost immediately so it's not like he would have had any trouble finding him.


Young Freud posted:

Doesn't it also have a scene where Deadpool gets pegged?

He also punches Colossus in the dick.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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paco650 posted:

He can snap regular ol' goon necks and shoot their cars with Bat-Missiles and run them over with his tank and drop them multiple stories onto pavement or into freezing gonorrhea Hudson River water or leave them dangling upside down from a gargoyle for unlimited hours until they have loving subdural hematomas, but apparently he's not allowed to kill any of the extremely dangerous, sometimes super-powered homocidal killers and megalomaniac crime lords because then comic book people would have to come up with original ideas instead of plumbing the concept holes of 80-year-old corpses.

He can't even bring himself to punch Lex Luthor in the face in the film after Luthor has been manipulating him and ruining his life for 18 solid months. But he can sure shoot/crush/explode/burn dozens of Luthor's goons without a second thought.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Zzulu posted:

I'm watching the new daredevil show and I'm so tired of his No Kill Ever policy. He even refuses to kill people who are directly trying to cut his loving head off. I mean cmon son

Daredevil is extremely Catholic so he's not allowed to commit sins like that.


Zzulu posted:

Daredevil is still good though, yall should watch it. I had no interest in Daredevil at all but that show is a good punchman show
Their version of The Punisher is loving fantastic so it's also an excellent shootman show

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Mel Mudkiper posted:

The Spirit exists

The Spirit isn't even in the bottom ten of all the superhero movies rated on Rotten Tomatoes

code:
The Spirit 				14
Ghost Rider 2 				14
Howard the Duck   			14
Captain America (1992) 			13
Steel 					12
Jonah Hex 				12
Superman IV: The Quest for Peace 	12
Batman and Robin 			11
Elektra 				10
Catwoman 				9
Fantastic Four (2015)			9
Supergirl 				8
Son of The Mask  			6
Zoom 					3
... not that the Rotten Tomatoes rating system actually counts for anything, of course

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Lil Peeler posted:

, in the previews I saw a look like Superman had a bunch of guards. Why would Superman need guards? How do you assassinate Superman?

Well they went to the trouble of getting matching uniforms and sewing special patches on their sleeves and everything and Superman was just too polite to tell them it wasn't necessary and it pretty much just snowballed from there.

Also there was absolutely no reason for them to set up a fake convoy with a fake box just to lure the Batman into a trap, Superman could have just flown over there and grabbed him but I guess he wanted all those soldier guys to feel like they'd made a useful contribution.

Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Mar 25, 2016

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Zzulu posted:

Jesus had a beard, superman is not jesus

you idiot

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Samuel L. ACKSYN posted:

batman would probably save a lot of lives, time, and effort if hed just kill the joker

Just think of all the time he'd save training a new Robin and creating new log-ins on the batcomputer for him after the Joker beat the old one to death

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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I love how they've got a hero called Vigilante and his costume is a hat plus his scarf pulled up over his mouth. Reeeal loving stellar effort there, dude.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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FizFashizzle posted:

dude steel was loving bad

Making a Steel movie that never even mentions Superman might have worked but .... well, not in this universe. Same applies to the Catwoman movie that didn't have Batman.

But apparently Hollywood hasn't learned their lesson since they just announced a Venom movie which won't have Spiderman.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Neurosis posted:

Frank miller's tried to make dick grayson eat rats after dick's parents were killed and painted a whole room yellow to beat up hal jordan for no good reason and abused dick so much he became a bisexual psychopath.

I would watch this film.


In the meantime we can all enjoy this GI Joe fan film which also ...... uh, let's say it pushes a few envelopes. Then it goes down to the post office and buys a few more envelopes and also pushes them. AIDS!!
:nws::nms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8L0xYJZPy8

You see, that's how you do a film adaptation of comicbook characters and push them in new and interesting directions.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Mel Mudkiper posted:

Also if Lex's entire plan was to trick Batman and Superman into fighting why did he want to make Kryptonite weapons to kill Superman if the Kryptonite was necessary for Batman to Superman? Did he know Batman would know that he had Kryptonite and steal it to make the weapons and so the whole Kryptonite weapon plan was a diverson? If so wtf.

Yep, Lex left a trail of clues about the "White Portuguese" for Batman to follow specifically so he'd steal the kryptonite and finally be able to confront Superman (and then Batman and Superman would have the weapons they needed to defeat Doomsday???). He also threw a party at his house and invited Bruce Wayne because he knew he was the Batman and he knew he'd hack into his database while he was at the house, that's why Bruce found the exact info he needed on Lex's illegal operations but didn't find any info on Lex's other shady poo poo (gaslighting Bruce Wayne, putting a bomb in a wheelchair, supporting an African warlord) which would have given away the rest of his plot. Also that's why he found the info on the other JLA metahumans but none of the info Lex would have obviously been building up about Batman or Superman.

Shima Honnou posted:

The Russian guys are also the same low-level nobody crims that Batman was tracking in a side plot for literally half the movie, coincidentally.

They're also the paramilitary guys from the earlier scenes in Africa, flamethrower guy from the end was the same guy who shot Jimmy Olsen in the head right at the start.
Lex set up the slave trafficking/drug business poo poo just to get Batman on the case and investigating the exact poo poo Lex needed him to investigate in order to let him think he stole the kryptonite from Lex when that was Lex's plan all along.

Batman was Lex's patsy right from the start and he never figured it out. Batman is a goddamn dope in this movie.



Tenzarin posted:

mods knew

Mods lied, Superman died.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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MrQwerty posted:

This movie sounds dumb as poo poo but totally serious

The first non-dreamstate scene in the film involves Jimmy Olsen being exposed as a CIA operative and getting shot in the head by paramilitary soldiers in Africa.

Bruce Wayne's butler Alfred is hilariously sarcastic but it was nowhere near enough to balance out the rest of the dour miserable poo poo in the rest of the film.


Edit: well I guess Superman didn't make Jimmy gently caress a gorilla this time around so there's that

Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Mar 27, 2016

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Mel Mudkiper posted:

Than why even bother with the Senator in the first place? It doesn't fit into his plan at all.

He needed to get permission from the male senator right at the start to access the crashed Kryptonian ship and Zod's body. The female senator figured out he was doing some shady poo poo and was going to block him so he blew her up.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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TLG James posted:

What was the loving point of a magic metal bullet that couldn't even make it through a small notebook.

They wanted to reveal the extent of Lex's plans to the film audience in the back half of the movie so they needed some way of delaying the reveal that Lex was behind all that stuff in Africa.

If it actually had any repercussions in the film itself then that scene was probably edited out, so maybe all this poo poo will make more sense in the extended directors cut that they're apprently going to release on DVD.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Gatekeeper posted:

and I love how every comic book retard I know was always going on about how amazing Rorschach is but he's clearly not supposed to be someone you root for because he's a crazy monster hahaha fuckin nerds are garbage sometimes

Apparently Alan Moore was pretty disgusted/disappointed by all the Rorschach fanboys

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Shaquin posted:

Blade was the last of the good comic book movies

Valko posted:

Ahem, Blade TWO actually.

.... and they were both written by David Goyer, the same guy who wrote Man of Steel and co-wrote Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice :unsmigghh:

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Ron Paul Atreides posted:

Are you telling me this crap beat Avengers

Nah, Avenger's opening weekend was $207 million (domestically), Avengers Age of Ultron was $191m, Iron Man 3 was $174m and it looks like Batman v Superman got $170m.

Man of Steel got $116m, Deadpool got $132m and last years Fantastic Four got $25m, for comparison.

Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Mar 28, 2016

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Ron Paul Atreides posted:

oh right they track international now to inflate failure
Yeah, the studio only gets a small fraction of the international box office so it doesn't count anywhere near as much as the domestic gross but since the international market has grown so large they like to list those numbers as well.

If we include the international numbers the list of best ever opening weekends looks like this:

code:
1 	Star Wars: The Force Awakens		 	$529.0m 	
2 	Jurassic World 					$524.9m 	
3 	Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2	$483.2m 	
4 	Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice 	 	$424.1m	
5 	Furious 7 					$397.7m 	
6 	Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince 	 	$394.0m 
7 	Marvel's The Avengers 				$392.5m 	
8 	Avengers: Age of Ultron 			$392.5m 	
9 	Transformers: Dark of the Moon 			$382.4m
10 	Spider-Man 3 					$381.7m 	
11 	Iron Man 3 					$372.5m
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/worldwideopenings.htm

loving hell that's a lot of money :homebrew::homebrew:

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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WB just posted one of the deleted scenes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-MUzvASr8s

It features Lex communing with Steppenwolf, Darkseid's military advisor and one of the New Gods. This likely explains why Lex is batshit crazy at the end of the film when he gets locked in prison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steppenwolf_%28comics%29



LGD posted:

it's a total and complete mystery why people had "preconceived notions" about how a character who has had huge cultural resonance for nearly 80's should be handled

Not just the character but also the entire genre.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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bring back old gbs posted:

Extended cut may actually be pretty bonkers if this is the sort of stuff they left out.
Yeah that was pretty much my exact reaction. :v:

Otisburg posted:

i'm sure the 3 hour cut is going to solve every problem with the movie
I think it'll at least explain character's motivations better which was one of the big problems with the movie




Hey I did a big :effort: post in CD about why violence is usually acceptable in Marvel films but whips up all sorts of "NOT MY BATMAN!" complaints in DC films

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

The MCU films resolve themselves by killing/destroying the villains almost every time - Iron Man kills Stane/Iron Monger, Iron Man 2 blows up Ivan Vanko/Whiplash, Captain America implodes the Red Skull with the Tesseract, Guardians of the Galaxy vaporise Ronan, Ant-Man violently crushes Yellowjacket by sabotaging his shrinking equipment, etc etc.. They solve the supervillain problem by just making them go away because they're operating under standard comicbook/action movie rules where killing the irredeemable villain is framed as being good and right and justified. When Marvel superheroes complete their trials they look like this:

Just look at how loving smug they are. But because of the way the story was framed the audience feels like they totally earned it, and because the audience identified with these characters they also get a smugly Pavlovian reward when the movies conclude like this. Marvel films tell the audience "Superheroes are awesome and you're awesome for liking them!"

Man of Steel, on the other hand, chose not to operate under those rules. The protagonist here wasn't a charismatic plucky underdog who was using his unique skills to win the day, he was a guy who was uncertain about his place in the world and constantly questioning his actions, or whether he should act at all. The villain wasn't just a selfish guy hell bent on destroying his enemies, he was a nuanced "the end justifies the means" character who was trying to save his race. We didn't completely identify with the hero and we didn't completely hate the villain. Zod's death was more of a "suicide via Supercop", forced by his own volition onto a reluctant 'hero' rather than the triumphant victory over evil that Marvel films dish up, and that SUperman films also used to dish up. Superman II back in 1980 was operating under standard superhero/action movie rules so when he killed Zod that time he looked like this:

... but when the DCCU Superman kills Zod he looks like this:

MoS wasn't trying to be standard comicbook/action movie and it instead decided to question the cliched comicbook resolution by asking "What if you can't neatly make the problem go away? What if you don't get the triumphant happy ending? What if the good guy doesn't have all the answers just because he's the good guy?"

And those are some really good questions to ask in a movie, but on the other hand they're attacking some of the core assumptions that have been underlying the superhero genre for nearly 80 years now. The great majority of superhero comics/movies/Saturday Morning cartoons have operated under a Just World milieu where the hero deserved to win and the bad guy deserved to die and this was hardly ever questioned. (There's a whole lot of obvious exceptions to this but most of the general public probably wouldn't be familiar with them and they're vastly outnumbered by the cliched comicbook stories.) When Superman is forced to end Zod's reign of terror by snapping his neck and when Batman decides to kill dozens of mooks and these acts are shown as being morally ambiguous instead of being justified retribution then these stories are stepping outside the popular perception of the superhero genre. They're asking audiences to think about the genre rather than just leading them to the happy ending they usually get.

So yeah, Marvel did "do it right" in that they served up superhero movies that comfortably fit inside the superhero framework that has been fed to the general public over these last 70-odd years. DC decided to step outside that framework and ask whether those cliched superhero plots might have different consequences in the real world, and that's perfectly fine but there's going to be giant swathes of the general public disappointed that they didn't get the uplifting morally unambiguous costumed punchman film they were expecting, and there's also going to be a whole ton of diehard fans that will be upset that these films are daring to raise questions about the superhero genre instead of faithfully recreating it on the big screen. If people walked into Mos or BvS expecting a standard "Superheroes are awesome and you're awesome for liking them!" experience then they won't have been prepared for what they were going to get instead.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:

Domestic weekend:



It's 6th of all time. But consider this: look at the loving title of the movie. Of course this was going to happen.

With almost universal negative word of mouth, I'm really interested to see if it has a 60%> drop in the second weekend.

Remember that Ang Lee's Hulk, Daredevil, and X3 weren't bombs. But the reviews and big weekend drop off scared away the studios.

Also note that all the other films in the top 9 opening weekend slots all made more than a billion worldwide in total, as did a bunch of other films that had way worse openings. At this point it's pretty much impossible to predict how its domestic box office will go. :shrug:

Early reports are that it's making mad bank in the international markets so maybe that'll make up any shortfall it may have on home ground.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:

Please enjoy my new Punisher film where Frank Castle comes back from Iraq with PTSD and gunshots cause him to freak out and piss his pants and he spends the whole movie trying different combinations of meds and filling out VA benefits forms.

It's more accurate than the cheesy comics and the brutal reality portrayed in his scene where he falls through the cracks in veteran care and overdoses on heroin, I feel, really captures the character of Frank Castle.

There's a great scene in the new series of Daredevil where they're representing Frank Castle in court and they're planning on attempting a PTSD defence and Frank just goes "Nope, we're not going to do that. It's insulting to people who actually do have PTSD."

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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It's interesting that in the version of Superman in the old Flesicher cartoon is a less powerful and a more vulnerable than the modern version. The flying robot threw him off really easily, he got tangled in those electrical lines pretty badly and the robots at the secret lair actually beat him down for quite a while whereas modern Superman would have torn through them like a wet paper bag.

Actually the Superman of the 50s could pull off stunts like attaching a giant chain to the Earth and dragging it into a new orbit so I guess the power creep happened really early. I guess that also explains all the wacky stories in the 50s and 60s where he's playing pranks on Lois and Jimmy because there really wasn't anything left that would be a physical threat to him so they had to fall back on character based stories, and if your character is the most powerful and invulnerable being on the planet there's not a lot for him to do except be a dick to his friends.

http://www.superdickery.com/tag/superman-is-a-dick/

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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oldpainless posted:

Eisenberg was god-awful as Lex Luthor and Jeremy Irons should have been used a hell of a lot more. Put him in every scene somehow including the end fight where he dispenses wisdom to all 3 of them.

Irons would have had some great onscreen chemistry with Cavill, it's a drat shame that never happened. Superman was way too much of an indigo child who was told he was special and was going to do great things by every parental figure in his life and confronting him with a parental figure who would call him out on his mopey bullshit would have been great.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Ivor Biggun posted:

Clark Kent: Twitch Streamer

The actor playing Dr Doom in the recent Fantasic Four movie revealed in an early interview that the character was going to start out as a programmer/blogger, which obviously got dropped at some point before the film premiered

http://collider.com/doctor-doom-new-origin-fantastic-four-movie/

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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hitchensgoespop posted:

EDIT: Does the superman die at the end of this movie? Im gonna watch it eventually but i dont really give a poo poo because all of DCs stuff so far has been terrible.

Well he gets stabbed through the heart by a 10' tall monster and they put him in a coffin and hold a funeral and lower the coffin into a grave but nah he's not actually dead.

That's the other reason that Doomsday is a lovely boring character - even though he 'kills' Superman not even the dumbest poo poo-for-brains fanboy ever thought for a second that he'd stay dead and it was always obvious as poo poo that he'd come back so the whole 'Death of Superman' story was just a meaningless publicity exercise.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Rutibex posted:

couldn't they take basically any actress and scale her up via the same methods they used to scale down the Hobbits in LOTR?

gently caress no, Peter Jackson is a crazy motherfucker who exerted a ton of time and effort into getting those effects just right (for the most part) and no one is going to go to that much trouble for a lovely superhero film. They would have just taken the easy route of CGI'ing Gadot's face onto some muscular stunt woman's body and that technology isn't quite up to speed yet.

Observe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUMZviyljUI

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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hitchensgoespop posted:

Maybe you could have several versions of the same film, one where everybody had comically porportioned boobs and buts and crotch bulges, one where everyone had normal sized dadbods and one where no one was fat shamed and everyone was 250 pounds. Its 2016 ffs, with CGI we should be able to do these things

I would pay good money to see fat superheroes battle it out.

Here's a superhero with a dad bod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL57ncw2jr8

Here's an upcoming superhero film starring people with regular bods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjQyv1KwyYY

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Lasher posted:

When I think of THE TICK the first thing that springs to mind is, "This isn't dark or edgy enough."

If they wanted dark n' edgy they could have just done a faithful adaptation of the original The Mask comics.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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The only person who can stop a badguy Superman is a goodguy Superman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYTvCmDH8es

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Ivor Biggun posted:

What does your heart tell you?

Same as every goon heart: "Stop eating bacon"

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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8-Bit Scholar posted:

I think J. Olsen was a girl in Man of Steel

Nah, it was just a fan theory that Jenny's last name was Olsen. They only list the character as 'Jenny' in the credits to MoS and BvS but someone noticed that her ID card is visible in one scene in MoS:

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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bring back old gbs posted:

my biggest gripe with the saving scenes was the rooftop people. Does he just pull them up one by one? Or does he do what you do with little cousins, where you stick your arms out and they all try to latch on while you run around the yard? if he had like a giant net or something i could find it believable, idk. that part really bugged me. why not like push a huge boat around??? "borrow" Lex's yacht, and he "borrows" his mom in return basically sets up the entire movie.

Maybe he drank all the water?

Edit: oh oh, I know, he used his super breath to freeze the water and they just walked to safety

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Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

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Riotgrrill posted:





Good times, great memories.

hitchensgoespop posted:

I'm sure some goon will correct me but I'm sure that's gonna count as a flop.

It's still way too early to tell but the second weekend figures should give some indication whether BvS has legs or whether it was totally front loaded.
But I can note that BvS's numbers for Friday and Saturday were huge but since then it's done about the same or worse numbers than Deadpool. BvS got $33 million domestic on its first Sunday but Deadpool got $42 million its first Sunday.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=deadpool2016.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=superman2015.htm

Word on the street is that after the huge production budget and the ad/promo campaign and everything BvS will have to make at least $800 million worldwide just to break even.

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