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Cleretic
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Mr Chips posted:

please only express areas in football fields, none of this hectares business

Olympic swimming pools are also acceptable.

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Jumpingmanjim posted:

But he makes himself look stupid in the process. What if Malcom secretly works for the Labor party? :kyoon:

Let's add to that the theory that Bill Shorten is a Liberal plant, because most everything he does is indistinguishable from what one would be doing.

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EvilElmo posted:

How was he?

Also, it isn't April.

Of course it is. Please, we're more agile than 'calendars' or 'time'.

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I move that a measuring stick of societal quality be size and quality of anti-discrimination counter-rallies.

It can't be anti-discrimination rallies themselves, because rallies and protests happen when the government are doing something the public don't like. But if we're talking about an anti-discrimination counter rally then it's in response to discriminatory shitheads, and you're doing well if you're pissing those people off. The strength of the counter-rally, especially compared to the initial protest, tells you how educated and reasonable the general public are.

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Birdstrike posted:

Egypt had no writing, any four year old could put up poo poo drawings of birds everywhere

We've actually been misunderstanding Egyptian texts this whole time. Heirpglyphics were actually the equivalent of fancomics on DeviantArt.

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Besides, including 'how to ask/push for a pay rise' as a standard curriculum is gonna cause more harm than good for reasons beyond gender/ethnicity/sexual orientation/whatever other discriminative lines are being drawn.

I'm just going on gut feel with this, I have no evidence to base this on, but that seems pretty likely to cause employers to wise up to the techniques being taught. They're not stupid, even if they don't see the curriculum itself they're going to notice that all of these new employees are sticking to the same script. Even if that method worked when they were taught it, it's gonna work a whole lot less when it's everybody doing it by rote rather than the people doing it because they individually saw the window.

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EvilElmo posted:

Seems to be the Greens campaign approach.

They're trying really hard for the #1 Green #2 LNP vote.

Are they, though? I mean, really? Or are they just trying to blindly and aimlessly point-score?

Because anyone who cares would know this is bullshit... and the people who don't know it's bullshit don't care. So it's not just a lie, it's a lie to no end.

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These Panama Papers are just gonna keep on giving, huh?

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MiniSune posted:

I would like to think that this tax drama will lead to real reform.

Sadly phonehacking in the UK makes me pessimistic.

Yeah, as great as it is to see it explode, it's very unlikely that much will actually happen in terms of actually stopping this sort of thing.

It's probably gonna cause a few people in high places to step down and hide, though.

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BBJoey posted:

Are we talking Bronwyn or Julie?

Chess.

I'd probably trust a piece that can only move diagonally over any of the big names.

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EvilElmo posted:

Blah blah. Greens policy best policy.

Shame only 8-12% of the population, mostly concentrated in a few seats agree with you.

I like how you only tried to argue against the thing he specifically said he wasn't talking about.

Should I just drop the word 'green' here so you can respond to that instead of the other forty words I just wrote?

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open24hours posted:

The Greens are a newish party that really formed to represent environmental issues and have had to pick up the slack on other issues since the ALP decided it didn't want to be a socialist party anymore. A lot of people who vote ALP think they're voting for a socialist party.

Basically, yeah. They're also small enough for the big two parties and right-wing media to push around, while being a big enough target for that to actually be in some way viable.

Australia's actually very left when it comes to social issues--70% approval of gay marriage and all that good stuff. But you wouldn't know that looking at our politicians and news media, which has also led to the entire country's perception of politics being very (rightly) cynical. Especially since we haven't really had a 'mainstream left' figure to revitalize people since party politics and his own controlling nature hosed over Rudd. We could really use an Obama or Trudeau-type politican, and they would loving excel, but chances are pretty low that Australian politics at this time could produce such a person on a stage big enough for that to actually work.

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katlington posted:

Why do they want him fired? I dont watch the show and the facebool about page was blank.

My guess is 'brown and not cool with racism'. Like Adam Goodes.

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EvilElmo posted:

Greens don't take donations?

I'm not certain, but I believe that the Greens don't take organizational donations. My boss can make an individual donation to the Greens, but he couldn't make one on behalf of our whole company. I don't know how unions work with it, but I think it's the same thing, although there's other ways they can show support.

And it's not like the Greens are facing bidding wars like that anyway.

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Kat Delacour posted:

If PissCat said "make them poors get sterilised it can be reversed if they get a job" would you also interpret it as a genuine attempt at rational debate

I'm not taking part in this one, but this one was so out of left field that my response to it is 'I have no idea what to say', rather than 'anything I could say would obviously be ignored'. It's like... gently caress, where do you start, and I'd almost condone engaging the troll in that case just to unpack whatever the gently caress that would mean because it's never come up before.

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MaliciousOnion posted:

Isn't Labor leaving the existing NBN as-is a good thing, because it means they can focus on getting the rest of the network up and not focus on giving people who already have relatively fast internet, even faster internet? They can always go back and fix up the FttN areas latest I guess.

Also, the reason for the 'quicker, cheaper' LNP NBN ballooning in costs and becoming basically a non-thing was because they had to renegotiate everything. As much as the LNP NBN is a bad plan it's better than throwing it out, failing to get an entirely new one and being left with nothing.

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Brick Dust Otis posted:

actually its because fttn requires more construction, skilled workers and material than fttp. it's literally worse in every conceivable way

Yeah, also that. But renegotiation was also a huge stumbling block, and it's better for Labor to just go 'gently caress it, we'll make your lovely version instead of throwing it out and then it'll be done and we can stop loving around with this'.

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LibertyCat posted:

Do you think everyone deserves to make good money for being educated, even if that education is 17th Century French Underwater Basket Weaving with a minor in My Little Pony: A Feminist Genderqueer Perspective

If I were hiring for a job, I would absolutely hire someone like that over someone with a more 'typical' degree.

Those people can also provide some important input to a workplace that yet another engineer/accountant/whatever wouldn't. I've got a degree in writing, which is probably what you'd point at as one of the useless ones if you weren't making up strawman degrees to poo poo on instead. And yet right now, I work as a technical writer for a software development team in Melbourne. Because as good as they are at what they do, they struggled to write documentation about it; not just because it wasn't their expertise, but because they're too close to the thing's inner workings to explain it to laymen. Last year I got picked up for a bit of work as a tester, where that same degree was actually an advantage for me because it highlighted skills and expertise that would be useful that others didn't have.

I'd ask 'who are you to determine what degrees are or are not worthwhile', but ironically, if you HAD a good answer for that you would actually have even less reason to hold that viewpoint.

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Lid posted:

So it looks like sixty minutes paid for the abduction and the mother left her three month old baby back in Australia to go to Lebanon and now this is a diplomatic incident.

This is amazing. And frankly, baffling.

It's one of those 'how many people signed off on this thinking it was a good idea' situations. There had to have been a significant number of hands and eyes involved in all this, how did it get past all of them?

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I'd probably prefer being parent to that kid over the sort of person who would make up that kid, so.

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Jumpingmanjim posted:

I'm not seeing a problem here.

I am, my apartment building will be on the shore. And I hate sand, it's rough, and coarse and it gets everywhere.

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Jumpingmanjim posted:

Why are you living in Docklands?


Genius, why haven't we figured this out in Australia?

I live in Southbank, because I work in Southbank. On the same street, in fact. I go home on my lunch break.

The lack of transport costs makes up for the slightly higher rent.

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Ugh, I hate seeing good acronyms go to waste.

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LibertyCat posted:

This certainly won't hurt jobs and encourage people smugglers, resulting in more deaths at sea. How many terrorists will this bring into the country?

Come on, man, you can do better than regurgitating the playbook. I'll grant that pulling the 'jobs' card is a new one for this, but it really is irrelevant since much of the detention center employment comes from the local area (or is part of Transfield, which I'm sure can find other places to put them since they're a huge company).

As for a potential increase in terrorists coming here? Unlikely. People smuggling is loving hard and has too low a chance of success, especially given our penchant for offshore detention, our reputation for which wouldn't go away overnight.

Then we've got the increase in refugee intake by 26k, which is a decent increase--more than double. We'd be increasing our chance of terrorism from this by over 100%! ...Which would be a compelling increase if it weren't for the fact that our count of refugee terrorists so far is approximately zero. The only terrorist we've had in recent history at all is Monis, who was a very long-term problem person who got radicalized.

So logically, we're actually more at risk of terrorism by radicalized citizens than refugees by a factor of approximately infinity%. So what we need to be wary of is radicalization, and finding ways to curb it... and as it happens, we know that treating people who might potentially be radicalized like actual human beings substantially reduces the chance of them becoming radicalized. It's almost like, if you don't treat people like poo poo, they won't turn to people who offer a horrible way out.

So, to answer your question: No, no, very no, you're an idiot.

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BBJoey posted:

remember, friends

I can't disagree with this.

Rage and frustration are emotions I felt very strongly about Mass Effect 2, moreso than any emotion I've felt while looking at artwork and listening to music. I wouldn't say that's a positive for Mass Effect 2, though, because it's part of a very exclusive club of things I can talk your ear off about why they suck.

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Skellybones posted:

Some rich people, I assume, are good people. I mean they can't ALL be cartoonish villains, right? :shrug:

Of course there's good rich people. Warren Buffett's pretty good from what I know, there's not much bad you can say about Dick Smith these days, everything I've ever heard about the recently-deceased head of Nintendo paints him as exactly what you would hope the head of Nintendo would be like.

But their existence doesn't negate the influence of people like Rhinehart.

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Anidav posted:

I think Bill will accidentally win. Not because people want him as Prime Minister but rather the ALP as a whole is more constructive in their public discussion.

The concept of Bill Shorten winning will be so unfathomable to all major political parties and news outlets that both parties give concession speeches and for a few months we just assume Nick Xenophon is PM because we can't find anyone else that makes sense.

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Serrath posted:

Neat, my first chance to vote in a federal election since citizenship. Will the electoral commission interpret me drawing an enormous dick next to a candidate's name as an endorsement or a dis-endorsement?

E: possibly irrelevant but Canada removed my ability to vote at the last election when they decided people living overseas didn't have sufficient impact to their lives attached to the outcome of the election to be allowed to take part. Which is too bad, putting a dick next to Trudeau's name would have fulfilled a dream of mine

Ooh, I remember this coming up in a thread around last election! Someone drew dicks of varying sizes in the boxes,they weren't sure how to count it since it clearly had process to it; dick size was clearly related to preference somehow.

It was ultimately rendered informal because they couldn't figure out if a bigger dick meant the voter liked them more or less.

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Trapezium Dave posted:

I've got to admit, I've got no clue who is going to win an election held in the next few months. My gut feeling is it's going to come down to whichever side does the least unbelievably political boneheaded moves in the campaign, so it's anyone's game.

It's Turnbull's to lose, honestly. He's got it if he plays conservatively, gives a 'no surprises' budget with just enough carrot and not enough stick, and doesn't have anything godawful happen to him, but if any of that happens he's in trouble.

It's similarly vaguely possible for Labor to win with some really good ads and policy platforms, but they're far less likely to pull good surprises than Turnbull's party is to pull bad ones.

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Please, people. We're in Australia, the best poster is federally required to be an aged and faded poster of a scantily-clad girl advertising Chiko Rolls.

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Anidav posted:

Even if Uber are a bunch of libertarian dickhead, they've already won the battle and the war and established a new normal in trasportation options. With Lyft launching here soon the Taxi Industry best stop complaining and unite under a universal app.

Lyft is supposed to be a lot better than Uber in regards to actually treating their drivers with decency, aren't they? I've heard a whole lot less bad about them, at least.

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If that happened the thread would still be talking about Uber and public transport for pages, don't kid yourself.

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Personally I think it's probably a good idea to be wearing safety equipment when around Australians with dangerous equipment like cars.

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Anidav posted:

Can we talk about how in recent ahem. The LNP has been calling the removal of negative gearing the "socialisation of housing" and wording opposition as "keeping big government out of the housing market" because the ahem I've been hearing and reading seems to be testing language.

Th-that's...

Removing negative gearing would be, empirically and overtly, keeping big government out of the housing market. This is as wrong as you can physically get.

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I was involved with part of this in the last leg of '14; DHS was contracting the Centrelink mobile app out to HP, who then I think through this program worked with these guys and Autism SA to hire and train a dozen QA testers for it.

Worked well for everyone else; personally, the work made me rue waking up every morning because it was so tediously, painfully poo poo. And given it was the Centrelink app you can imagine how well the day-to-day went.

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Jumpingmanjim posted:

haha that explains a great deal.

You think it's bad enough using it now, imagine the team whose job it was to test the thing.

Legitimately, the highlight of the whole time was going out to EB Games and buying Bravely Default, because there was no other light.

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Anidav posted:

Fresh in our investment portfolios

Liberal MP Stuart Robert has been criticised after using Twitter to link Anzac Day to a Turnbull Government tax policy.

Mr Robert, who resigned as assistant minister for defence amid controversy earlier this year, tweeted that "there are more defence force personnel who use negative gearing than surgeons, judges, anaesthetists and psychiatrists combined" shortly after 10:30am today.

I scrolled past that and thought it was a criticism of negative gearing.

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MysticalMachineGun posted:

Whose vote would possibly be swayed by how many likes a pollie has?

Or is this more about gaming the FB news system so they come up as suggested posts and the like more often?

It could be that, but I think it's more blocking off a weakness. It's really easy to say 'X politician is unpopular' when they're very clearly, by discrete figures, unpopular on social media.

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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Wouldn't headlines about pollies buying facebook likes be way more damaging than one using loving facebook likes as evidence of unpopularity?

You're assuming two things there.

A: That most Australian politicians, in particular the LNP, are capable of thinking more than one turn ahead.

And B: That any outlets they'll pay any attention to would even run that story.

I don't think either of them are true.

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Endman posted:

You've answered your own question, really. Perhaps returning to their country of origin means life imprisonment with real, actual torture.

Yeah, this. You don't know what hell awaits him back home, just that it was evidently bad enough for him to take all the risks involved in fleeing it.

And in fact, you bring up 'you can go home anytime and we'll pay for the trip', and I don't know if I've heard that before, but... is that actually true, do we know that's true? Do we have anything resembling proof that this is ever offered in earnest, and has been taken up?

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