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WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

screaden posted:

Aren't free range chickens still allowed to be de-beaked as well?

Isn't this actually the slightly more humane thing to do if you have way too many chickens in the one place? Or they peck each other to death?

Obviously the solution should be to stop farming them or at least drastically decrease their density, but lol capitalism and all that.

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WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Aww, it just ended as soon as I started watching. :(

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

bowmore posted:

There is nothing humane about debeaking

I suppose my point is that the need to debeak is a symptom of overcrowding, rather than a problem in itself?

That banning debeaking won't make chicken farming more ethical or humane.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Anyone got American libertarian screeds about how the 'homesteading' of America was the only just theft of property?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

LibertyCat posted:

Which invasions had a higher km^2 territory gained : aggressor death ratio?

The Anschluss?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
I mean when you think about it you lefties if we are to accept historical materialism for a moment, without the British invasion of Australia, Australia might have had to undergo several very intensely awful epochs if the Aboriginals had eventually developed agriculture. By fast-tracking them to capitalism they're that much closer to living in your socialist paradise. :smuggo:

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Anidav posted:

I thought they had east africa?

Yeah and west. Nairobi, Angola Namibia, Togo, Cameroon. They also bought parts of Micronesia off Spain.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Endman posted:

That would be a dangerous move, though. Federal govt doesn't want the states in revolt against them because it makes life super difficult.

Well they certainly hosed up handling Victoria then.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Zenithe posted:

Sorry, I meant Aussie indigenous nations.

I don't think it's used for agriculture itself anymore, but there are programs going on in NT for use of fire-stick farming in reducing fire-hazard and minimising emissions.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Because that guy's shirt really fits a traditionalist conception of masculinity. If anything that's a pro-feminist picture. The woman would get to stay in the office because she is meeting society's expectations of her. Literally the only way this could criticise feminism is by saying it hasn't gone far enough. :psyduck:

WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Apr 3, 2016

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Endman posted:

Coins and poo poo, basically. One step up from a barter economy.

Barter economies didn't exist, we just think they did because Adam Smith said so :goonsay:

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

There's no evidence that barter economies ever existed. It's just how classical economists assumed society worked before the invention of currency. The current understanding of pre-currency societies is that it was based on social debt.

e: The :goonsay: was self-deprecating, because I care too much about this.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Lizard Combatant posted:

This legit sounds interesting, got any good links/books?

Debt: The first 5000 years by David Graeber is pretty good.
https://libcom.org/files/__Debt__The_First_5_000_Years.pdf

John Green basically gives a high school level overview of it in this video if you're feeling lazy though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94BtOtGVqLw

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Measly Twerp posted:

I was interested too, and started reading the article you posted. I stopped because I'm not actually researching the subject and have no desire to read something so dry and uncompelling. It's the weekend, can't learning at least be entertaining?

There's another crash-course video that deals with the problematisation of civilisation in a slightly more entertaining way I guess. It's not directly about indigenous Australians but, they do discuss swidden agriculture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyzi9GNZFMU

WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Apr 3, 2016

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

open24hours posted:

Obviously, but only now are they starting to get an opportunity to show that. There were some exceptional women in early computing, but pretending it was some sort of egalitarian utopia compared to other industries doesn't help anyone.

I don't think anyone did? They pointed to it as an example of the social construction of women's work. It's a great example because of how often :biotruths: are used to say that women just aren't interested in programming.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Trotsky posted:

If you cannot convince a Fascist, acquaint his head with the pavement.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

The Lord Bude posted:

It would be so delicious to see both the Newman government and the Abott-Turnbull government fall after a single term.

Don't forget the half-termers Baillieu and Napthine.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Should just rename to the Ricky Muir party imo.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

open24hours posted:

Considering what the money gets spent on, who can blame people for wanting to minimise or zero their tax?

If they're wealthy enough to want to avoid tax, they're likely wealthy enough to just pay for access to a politician and lobby for changes to what that money's being spent on.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

SynthOrange posted:

Also surprising probably no one, a bake sale at UQ to highlight wage differences between men and women by indexing cupcake prices to gender ended up with threats of rape and violence.

Did they still do the bake sale?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Jack was a misogynist and womaniser. He had to be taken out.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Brick Dust Otis posted:

please don't paint us with the brush of diuretic poo poo that is negligent and laserface and Jumpingmanjim

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

quote:

"Cede structural power"....

The problem with ceding power is you leave a power vacuum. I can't think of too many examples in modern history or global geopolitics where ceding power has resulted in a stronger society. :smuggo:

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Pickled Tink posted:

Men have it easier: They can just lie about porking Joel down at the pub.

Actually women could say they've had unprotected sex with a man who has had unprotected sex with another man to get out of it. I've definitely seen that as one of the questions.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Endman posted:

Considering that the NBN was always meant to be about bringing rural areas and places where internet is really sub-par up to scratch with what should be expected of a first world country, I think you're right.

Nerds complaining that they're not getting 100mb/s in the loving Melbourne suburbs is insulting and nowhere near the first priority of an infrastructure project like this.

Isn't one of the major differences between the Liberal NBN and the original that it completely hosed over rural areas by expanding the number of rural areas that won't be serviced by fibre, but by wireless?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

LibertyCat posted:

Do you think everyone deserves to make good money for being educated, even if that education is 17th Century French Underwater Basket Weaving with a minor in My Little Pony: A Feminist Genderqueer Perspective

Engineer or IT worker?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

open24hours posted:

They're not taking informed risks though. The whole point is that they are uninformed which is why dodgy private colleges can make so much money so easily.

Reputation agencies could provide everyone with perfect market information and make them informed if statists would stop distorting the market. :rolleyes:

Jonah Galtberg posted:

I'll put 5 galtbucks on IT

My bitcoin's on engineer.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

LibertyCat posted:

We both know you removed the second part "proportional to how many people already have those skills" because it shoots your argument down in flames. There are a lot of people who could collect rubbish. You would have to get all of them on strike at once.

Or they could blockade/occupy the truck depots and stop scabs from taking the work? It's almost as if there are tactics that have been developed to avoid this problem :shrug:

Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Man, business owners are going to be pissed when it turns out they're not entitled to any more remuneration than a garbo.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Starshark posted:

Hey guys, what voice do you have in your head when you read LC posts?

My own :(

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
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Cleretic posted:

This is amazing. And frankly, baffling.

It's one of those 'how many people signed off on this thinking it was a good idea' situations. There had to have been a significant number of hands and eyes involved in all this, how did it get past all of them?

We're white people bringing this child back into the light of civilisation.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

quote:

ANTI-RACIST IS CODE WORD FOR ANTI-WHITE

lol, hello again Bob's manifesto.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Kitchen germs kidnapping Lebanese fat kids from the tenant from hell and how you could be a dodgy builder.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
I'm sure it probably is based in his radical belief, but it's not as if 'eye for an eye' also isn't an incredibly generic revenge motto that any criminal might carve into someone that had wronged them.

e:What I'm saying is that the guy should have been more creative if he wanted to send a message.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Mithranderp posted:

In the last 500 years, the Fourth Stimpire has dominated four systems, which it has united into one starzone, Stimsis. The Fourth Stimpire has origins from the Ten Empire War in which 10 of the United Stimpires revolted against each rules. All empires except for the fourth swore freedom upon their citizens. There is no free speech in the Fourth Stimpire, and all self-controlled transportation has been made illegal without undergoing painful medical verification methods, in which arteries are severed without pain resistant, operated entirely by machines. The way they work claim to be the most hygenic and healthy way possible, but these machines often rub against pain points, causing great deals of pain to patients. The heart is then extracted from the body and placed into a glass grinding machine. Various energy centers are also dissected and replaced with dangerous transplants. After the painful, 52 hour surgical procedure, patients will then have to use a fused guidance tool, which pumps painful resistors into the body every 2 hours. The pain they have caused is so bad, the victim would freeze in a tense position. They would then collapse afterwards.

Sexual stimulation in any way within the grounds of the Fourth Stimpire is strictly prohibited, and anyone detected even touching their sexual organs will be subjected to a penectomy or if the offender was a female, they would then have a razor inserted into their ovaries. They would pump a blue solution into the womb until the stitchings burst. Offenders would also be forced to show their operated areas in public, and they would always harass and punch them to a pulp, against their will.

Otherwise, offenders would be tazed with the worst type of electricity in the systematic district, causing so much pain, the victim would scream and flail in madness. The pain would also triple every second, but no death would be incurred. This is also used in combat against enemy units, which is why all UEE forces must wear the upgraded suit to block this effect.

However, enertainment is also questionable in UEE grounds. Sporting events end with the losing team being rounded into a grinder and shredded on live television, boxing matches end with the loser having their hands removed without anasthesia, flight races would end with the losers having their arms and legs removed, then being injected with insanity, for entertainment. People are also forced into these events, by undergoing a painful 127 hour procedure which involves tweaking the muscles so they will not listen to brain commands, and then having a painful drug injected which also causes madness if the player is not sporting. This is all for entertainment, and anyone not watching any of it during sporting times and cheering for the winning team, they will be imprisoned into galactic camps.

Snuff films are also broadcast, and actors are actually murdered just for entertainment. Stealth droids also guide these forced actors into behaving exactly as the director dreams, otherwise they will be punished by being placed into a macerator and having their execution written into the film. Any film that does not feature someone being murdered will be burned and the entire crew behind it will be executed in the most grotesque way possible - vivisection.

All executions are broadcast, and anyone who misses even a millisecond, even by blinking, will be executed. All citizens must boo to the person being executed, and the family is gathered to be injected with eternators, which cause pain forever, making them immoral but feeling the pain tenfold every millisecond. They cannot pass out, but they will feel like it forever.

Conquests by this Stimpire end in the planet being razed, and all the citizens being executed in the same way as their citizens are. The planet is then destroyed and all remnants of it are removed, and any memories of it will be erased instantly from civil minds. People who are also killed are also erased from memories, and all memories of them, including toys and pictures, are destroyed.

Prisoners undergo 40,000 years of relentless and endless labor, and anyone not complying is sentenced to the eternator injection. All prisoners injected with eternators are placed into capsules and launched into far space, then the room is closed tight to ensure maximum insanity. Some prisoners are also subjected to the removal of blood, the lungs, the liver, the genitals, the skeleton, the muscles, the eyes, and even the injection of pressure. Prisoners sentenced to pressure chambers are locked in until they are inflated to a high level. The decompression is then stopped to make sure they are inflated and uncomfortable.

Children born on the 14th of July are subjected to the removal of their skeleton and an implant of a silver liquid to replace it. The nervous sysem is also injected in various parts to ensure it is five times more sensitive than the average.

Restaurants also are ordered to serve civil meat, and anyone attending must give themself up to be cooked into a grotesque meal. They are cooked alive, undergoing extreme pain, and are then subjected to industrial grinders and blenders. The Stimpire orders at least 1 million citizens to be dispatched every day, as they are afraid the population may overthrow them. But only one planet is cared for, and the rest are banned from eating, drinking, talking, using technology, touching anyone, wearing unauthorized clothes, touching buildings, or walking a centimeter out of designated routes. Civil enforcers are on every planet, and they are engineered so that they are 40 times larger than the 300 quadrillion population. At least 7 billion die every 12 hours under this rule.

Thoughts are also surveyed, and anyone who does not think anything to loving the Stimpire with more than their capabilities will be sentenced to a prison. Prisoners who are punished for this violation will meet their greatest fear, only to have it amplified so they will turn insane as they imagine it exactly as they fear it. They then undergo a painful extraction of all fluids, to be replaced by a toxin which causes permanent irritation. The unknown substance keeps the subject aging normally, except they will never die. Prisoners punished in this way are unable to be reverted, despite many efforts, and they will never be able to be disposed.

The sickening truths have been revealed only today, and invigilation teams are still investigating the truths without setting foot in the galactic space of this sickening empire.

:gary: :yarg:

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
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Zenithe posted:

Oh, I'm sure it's a total clusterfuck, but is sacking a council just a thing you can do?

Local government only exists at the convenience of the state government doesn't it? Pretty sure they can do whatever they want.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
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I like that we now have bacteria depicted on the $5 note. They don't get enough recognition for how important they are in our lives.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
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Higsian posted:

I disagree entirely in government funding of the fine arts. Or at least, with direct government funding of the fine arts. If you want to assign X dollars to the arts and then have the public vote where it goes, or subsidize tickets, or find some other way to ensure the arts the public care about are funded then I'm cool with that. Otherwise we just end up funding whatever the elite consider to be worthy and perpetuate elitism that has infested the arts ever since the days when you could only survive as an artist through the patronage of the nobility.

Funding arts degrees is fine as long as the program is rigorous. It doesn't really matter what you're researching or writing about as long as you're learning the proper practices while doing so. It's all transferable skill even if the field specific knowledge is not.

You don't need to have public voting on the arts, just have a committee made up of artists from different mediums.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
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Higsian posted:

I'm not saying it's always elitist stuff that gets funded. I'm basically just not comfortable with having a small number of people empowered to make decisions on public spending in an entirely subjective field like art. If private foundations or individuals want to fund specific stuff they like or think is valuable to society then that's their business, but public money should reflect the will of the public when it comes to something subjective.

But when the public largely has a similar outlook on art as our friend LibertyCat you'll just end up with completely lifeless art that displeases no one.

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WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
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Higsian posted:

:shrug: Then that's what happens. I didn't form the opinion because it'll cause funds to be spent the way I want them to be spent; I think it's the fair way for it to be spent. Don't you think it's patronizing to imagine what the public would want to fund and then be like "nah, we know better what is good for this culture"?

Also if you just funded tickets/gave each individual a way to spend their arts credits or whatever then presumably people like yourself would be funding things you value so they'd not all just go away.

Direct democracy requires revolutionary consciousness and discipline to work. hth.

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