Tenzarin posted:

Combining the corporate terrorist hacker The Laughing Man who wants the government to release the cure to cyber brain cancer and Kuze who wants the government to treat refugee's from the 3rd and 4th world war better even going as far as a rebellion with a nuclear weapon seems possible. But there's no way to pull off the motivation in 2 hours. Let alone to explain that Motoko and Kuze both knew each other when their families died in a airplane crash and they both got cyborg'd.

Wulfolme posted:

Wasn't there some big deal about how the 'ghost' is the computer data version of the person's brain, and the Major doesn't even have a human brain anymore? She's a complete robot that used to be a human, then a human brain with a robot body, and now just a robot body run by a program that used to be a human brain? Wasn't that where all the philosophical weight came from?

Tenzarin posted:

It was in published in Newtype Ace magazine. Looks like how sexualized appleseed/GITS in the 80s to me.

Why bring it up anyway? How did you even know about it? It makes me think about you.

Pirate Jet posted:

Except he didn't defend it, he said it was the result of a broken system and that blaming individuals involved in the movie's production and not its financing is pointless.

Mr. Unlucky posted:

anime characters are basically 90% white person 10% asian whats even the loving problem here

if you wanted to try to make an accurate anime person irl this is how you would do it. though they arent even going for that cause no purple hair so whatever.

they want to make money, she is a big name, she looks hot, its some stupid cartoon with a few fans, who cares if it is changed drastically, etc blah blah

loving nerds i swear.

Batham posted:

Throwing a tantrum isn't going to change the reality about it.

MisterBibs posted:

Maybe I missed someone answering it with all the white-washing discussion, but has there been a live-action anime movie that has done reasonably well (read: drawn in audiences that would actually know the source anime from any of other anime)?

I guess I can't wrap my head around the existence of this movie on a fundamental level. From what little I half-remember, there's not a great audience for an authentic adaptation, but if you go the take-a-hose-and-rinse-off-all-the-anime route, you're going to catch hell about white-washing and cultural appropriation.

Iron Crowned posted:

I remember it being pretty terrible back when it was new. I seem to recall that Second Gig's intro was much better at least.

Phone posted:

As more and more information and discussion (such as white washing) continues, I'm moving towards hedging about minimizing its awfulness. It's shifted from how good the movie can be to how less awful it can be, which is super depressing since I love GITS.

Ghost in the Shell: It Could Be Worse!

Young Freud posted:

FTFY. The "ridiculous guns with the clip behind the handle" Seburos and other future guns could use airsofts like most film/TV productions use. Outside of the Poseidon.jp models that frequently appear that ape Shirow's style or build off them, the Magpul Personal Defense Rifle, a PDW prototype that failed to take off and end up getting made into an airsoft gun due to demand, was pretty much someone trying to build a Seburo in real life. And I just ran into this thing today. So, yes, you can even use the ridiculous bullpup guns.

That said, there's already a few out filmmakers out there. Neil Blomkamp I know is a big Shirow fan, even mentioned Briaeros from "Appleseed" as one of the inspirations for Tetra Vaal and Chappie and I would have loved if he was working on this instead.


gently caress you, GITS2: Man Machine Interface is the worst version. ARISE blows, too. I had an old post I made on Facebook I made after watching the second episode remind me why I disliked that show.

icantfindaname posted:

what the heck are y'all talking about, the movie sucks and is incredibly boring philosophy-babble with some nice animation. the TV show is actually good


*writes essay about how technological collectivism is baked into the essential nipponese spirit*

K. Waste posted:

I'm hip to all of it, actually. The first clip was a little too American Horror Story for me, but the second clip more than makes up for it. There's a darkness and sterility going on in it that I can't place. Number 3 even has a kind of audacity to it that it shares with the Takeshi one, there's some frame-within-a-frame that is thoroughly disorienting because you don't know what it is yet. But Number 5 is where we really get into just how unconventional they're framing Johansson. Look how raised her shoulders are, how ducked her head, they're really challenging the prejudice that she needs must look 'sensual' because she's a voluptuous white lady. It's very gender-queer and appropriately alienated from putting on a facade for the spectator. In fact, the whole idea of femininity, make-up, and facade becomes exclusively associated with the horror movie Geisha-Thing in the first clip.

Reminds me of Alien 3.

Young Freud posted:

MariusLecter posted:

Except for that one guy that taught her to fold cranes or something dumb.

Hollismason posted:

Is she? I never got that impression.

Hakkesshu posted:

Doesn't she have an actual girlfriend in season 2 of SAC

Hollismason posted:

Oh I've never read the manga or any of the other movies. Apparently, everyone is gay though because cyberbrains?

darth_pizza posted:

new series "Arise" is a prequel of sorts, explaining how the Major grew up without a human body, her origins in Section 9 and a lot of other neat little bits. It also told an interesting story. It's also only 4 or 5 episodes long, if I remember correctly.

Personally, I enjoyed it quite a bit as the world of GITS has always been intriguing. Not "essential" to non-hardcore fans, but worth a watch.

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Why are you watching Ghost In The Shell for the plot.

Moreover, why are you watching it for the plot when that tactic causes you to tune out the film's entire runtime.

IShallRiseAgain posted:

I'm pretty sure she is just her roommate in the TV series. The Major is also no longer is a cyber-prostitute, because apparently in the manga universe being a high ranking officer in a secret military/police organization doesn't pay enough.

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

The film is mostly/entirely about the protagonist walking through surreal environments while mourning his dead partner and contemplating the nature of the soul.

Phi230 posted:

I mean yeah bulging, cramping muscles is cool and good but if the Giant Enemy Crab had like 4 more seconds to crush the Major's head she woulda like permadied right?

Why just commit suicide against spider tank and waste the whole pursuit of Architect from the Matrix?

Phi230 posted:

also japan is relevant on a international scale, for some reason

Hakkesshu posted:

Why is Arise so bad? I know they recast all the voices, which honestly was kind of a deal-breaker for me since the new ones just seem like bad soundalikes.

Golden Goat posted:

The suit just looks goofy on her.

K. Waste posted:

They're going for Under the Skin meets Predator, and it's working. She's like a fleshy, puzzle-pieced doll emerging from a .television screen of an emerald city.

Somehow I seriously doubt that's a screen-accurate aspect ratio.

Young Freud posted:

A screengrab from the Teaser Trailer...

Rough Lobster posted:

YES it must have more texture like the New 52 Superman suit with lines and poo poo everywhere for no reason.

Or be more like the comic and just be titties. Just titties.

LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:

I wish you the best with that, but if amnesia was a plot device halfway through the story I doubt they'd have put it in the trailer. After Avatar and Dragonball evolution, they're gonna have to prove this movie doesn't suck rather than the other way around.

Tenzarin posted:

Is it really fair to compare Aeon Flux MTV jerk bait to GITS? Name one good Aeon Flux story. Now The Maxx, that was a show.

teagone posted:

Interesting. I've never watch SAC. Guess I should get around to doing that. I've only ever watched the two films. Is ARISE worth looking at as well?