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I just want to weigh in here and say I've loved the series since 1995 too (didn't really read much of the manga) and I just can't see a way they'll make this anything but crap. GiTS was always an unpleasant, philosophical and extremely violent world. They won't be able to capture any of that in ~90 minutes. Same goes for all the characters, as people have already mentioned. They'll probably end up simplifying them into mere plot devices. says they Disney-fy the basic premise and go on to commit countless plot blunders until they churn out another "robot-fight!" holoporn.e. IShallRiseAgain posted:While it sounds like they are trying to do way too much at once, at least it seems like the TV show is the main inspiration which is by far the best version of GiTS. I don't know which TV show you mean, but I'll always love the first movie the best. phasmid fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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Improbable Lobster posted:I bet that either Seems to me it would be foolhardy to plan for a sequel when they have no idea how this one's going to turn out. To capture the unique creature of a good GiTS movie is a daunting task. If you add a bunch of studio nabobs trying to spit out more and more like sausage links, the movie will probably slip off that tightrope towards "faithful and well executed" into "gun movie boob have girl make bomb robot action go". Adding Kuze does seem like they want to do the origin story thing, but that's a hell of a lot to ask of audiences worldwide who are gonna see no fewer than 15 goddamn iterations of Katniss Everdeen "backstory" to chew through between now and 2017. Motoko is cool because she's the quiet type - changing her inner narration would change the whole feel. Besides, Kuze was only a major character in SAC 2. Other than that, he was just an ancillary character in the movie Solid State Society (maybe? the ending was bizarre as hell).
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Apr 15, 2016 09:18
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Kinda thought Shirow was an original otaku. Like, he had palettes of food in one big room in his high-rise, then he had a bedroom full of easels, sketchbooks, fanmail both angry and angering and a big mattress with a VR helm resting on the pillow. Maybe a kitchenette/bathroom. IIRC, he communicated to Oshii mostly through emails, storyboards, other key input. If only we could pair those two up again with the budget this one is obviously getting...loving hell we'd have the first good adult cartoon in the last decade. Also, Snow White and the Huntsman deserves a mention here because it's Hollywood at its worst. They have some world-famous, time-tested award-winning actors who play dwarves and then Bad Ellen Page gets all of the dialogue. Also they straight up ripped off the Deer God scene in Princess Mononoke. It's a hard movie to watch. Try it if you don't believe me.
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Apr 15, 2016 23:32
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Everblight posted:True story: Some marketing interns dropped off several passes to "The Huntsman," which is apparently another movie in the SnowWhitiverse they're doing, to our retail store's manager, saying "give them out to your customers or have a contest! Be sure to hashtag "The Huntsman." Good. Hopefully this will be the norm and the execs will take the hint.
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Apr 16, 2016 01:19
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Innocence was also cool because it had a crazy villain and an army of Motokos. Top that, motherfucker. Also, it continues the great ongoing joke that Batou keeps the arsenal of a small country in the trunk of his car (which he uses to kill a whole bar full of Yakuza men and a weird borg brainslave with a metal claw on his hand.)
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Apr 16, 2016 05:59
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porfiria posted:Kristen Stewart's and Ellen Page's personas, acting styles, and physical appearances are nothing alike. I guess they're both brunettes? Sorry my one-off offended you. I would add that Kristen Stewart does not have a persona, because that implies having a personality at all. But thank you for pointing out this revelation in a thread about cyborgs.
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Apr 17, 2016 02:36
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Tenzarin posted:The major also almost never blinks in the 1995 movie, its really creepy. I guess cyborg bodies don't have a reason too. Now that you mention it, there are several scenes where people are implied cyborgs. The weird guy getting off the helicopter, the guy whose fingers split into twenty-five tiny fingers when he's riding in the car. They didn't seem to blink either, they were wide-eyed while other characters blinked and did close their eyes when they sighed or groaned and whatnot. Maybe that was intentional. I was never conscious of it, but you saying it makes it seem likely. I forget if the Major closes her eyes when she sleeps. Somebody already mentioned cyborgs having to use eyedrops since they hadn't perfected synthetic tear ducts. That must've been in SAC 1 or 2nd, don't remember it from the movies.
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Apr 17, 2016 08:01
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Renoistic posted:I might have been unclear, but that was just something I made up. I'm a sucker for stories where cyborgs aren't just super strong humans and there actually are drawbacks to it. Ahh, okay. It sounds legit enough to be in the show. Yeah, Section 9s don't really have a great life. Their bodies are government property, so if they decide to renege on their forever-contracts the company basically just goes "fine, you're fired. Peace" and presumably throws your brain and spinal column into a dumpster for the rats to eat. They also can't swim or go very long without a regular tune-up. The articles I've skimmed about this movie are pretty annoying because its obvious some of the folks writing them haven't got a clue about the story. One of the first articles that came up on google was "Scarlett Johanssen plays a half-human half-cyborg hybrid" or some poo poo like that. Triple redundancy on paragraph one. Please reconsider, Hollywood. Just give Oshii the money and let him make another cartoon!
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Apr 17, 2016 08:36
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Can we PLEASE not make this about the peripheral issue of the race of the actor who plays the fictional character? (Even though, yeah, it's bullshit.) The more important thing is that this movie is going to both poo poo up and dumb down the whole story.
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Apr 18, 2016 07:57
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MinibarMatchman posted:if this movie's role is to be so loving bad that the american live-action Akira idea is finally put to death forever then I'm all for it Let us hope so, my friend, lest this travesty be in vain. Is there a seppuku emote? That might be appropriate for this thread.
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Apr 18, 2016 23:23
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Guy Mann posted:Japan is the country that still classifies fictional characters by blood type based on disproven racial profiling pseudoscience from 50 years ago, if you want to compare anybody to Nazis it should be your precious japanese animes. I'm reading your power level...wait. This can't be right. No one has a level that high...
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Apr 19, 2016 03:34
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Detective No. 27 posted:The other one just came out a couple weeks ago, so they're now The Wachowski Sisters. I think after about 2002 or so they just became the Wachowski Whatevers.
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Apr 19, 2016 05:31
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Wow. I'm pleasantly surprised to see a lot of people who know more about Ghost in the Shell here than I do. Though I imagine there's a wide variety of opinion about whether or not this movie should have been made and how, it's a good feeling that not everybody who used to love the movie/shows/manga is either completely disinterested these years later or smothered in earth. Nice warm feeling. Let's do hold the people responsible, whatever the outcome. As many have said, this here's a litmus test for how they're going to try for Akira - the holy of holies. Young Freud, I wanted to ask which parts of the CG people are ridiculing when they say it was awful. To my knowledge the only all-out CG was the weird matrix thing where all the Tachikomas live, or in Innocence when they're in the "doll house". So as a person who has read only a bit of the manga, my experience with the show is: -Original 1995 -Innocence -SAC -Second Gig -SSS -Arise Which one of these is the one people are upset about? Or am I missing a bit of canon here?
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Apr 21, 2016 01:47
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Young Freud posted:A lot of different stuff Holy smokes. You're not joking. I almost said "well, I remember a lot of stuff in rags like HM that started to use digital stuff (sparingly when the artist was good, usually) around the millenium" but a) lame excuse and b) holy poo poo. The difference really is enormous. Thank Christ Oshii had more sense when adapting the movies. A friend of mine had several of Shirow's artbooks that he would bring to school (because naked cartoon women) and from the looks of things they must've been mostly from the late 90's or so. I mean, first discovering photoshop and stuff like that back then was eye-popping, but I'm still amazed that people were so floored. Like, you're a famous artist in a pretty big, significant country. Yeah, this technology is the state of the art, but it was strange seeing so many otherwise perfection-seeking artists turn into kids fingerpainting. A lot of animators and traditional artists seem to have had that phase too. Anyway, thanks a bunch! Now I'm definitely going to get my hands on the manga - starting sequentially 
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Apr 21, 2016 04:16
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The intro to SAC reminds me of Tekken and Virtua Fighter.
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Apr 21, 2016 21:56
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Neo Rasa posted:Which is why I don't get why they don't just do a full US remake of the story like The Departed or The Magnificent Seven or whatever, her and the few other not Japanese people all happening to work in the same internal affairs department in a major Japanese city's police force in a sea of other Japanese characters is pretty stupid. Somebody could easily make a thought-provoking action/thriller and use tons of the same imagery and even borrow from the style. Purists like me could cry plagiarism, but most 14-30s out there probably aren't familiar enough with the source material to be upset. Pretty much if they took everything except the actual names and the Shirow Tachikoma tanks and those ridiculous guns with the clip behind the handle, it would be easy to make a strikingly similar movie. I just wish that it would live up to the 1995 movie but that will not happen.
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Jul 13, 2016 23:04
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The bloodhound is Oshii's trademark (they're his favorite dog breed). He tries to put on in every movie, IIRC. Remember the first film, during that pretty interlude where Motoko is looking at mannequins in shop windows and varying scenes with people walking around the city? Then you'll probably remember the part where there's a boat going under a canal bridge, and there's a bloodhound on the bridge looking down and wagging its tail forlornly. But I still think the best part of that movie (Innocence) is the shootout in the gambling den.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:30
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icantfindaname posted:what the heck are y'all talking about, the movie sucks and is incredibly boring philosophy-babble with some nice animation. the TV show is actually good There's not many mainstream futuristic movies that pose these questions and even fewer that do so elegantly. Compared to GitS, the Matrix is a little kids movie. Same Blade Runner. Ghost compresses a novel's worth of content into a ninety minute movie.
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Jul 19, 2016 04:26
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Nice rebuttal to every philosopher since the stone age. Omg the stoned age lol. Dweeb.
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Jul 19, 2016 04:57
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Clipperton posted:the thing is, it's not like those questions aren't worth asking but boiling them down to a forums post--or even a 90-minute movie--just makes them sound like college-dorm bullshit. to wit: She's attached via some kind of wifi to all her colleagues. If they want, they can hear her thoughts and see what she sees. She can turn it off when she wants to be alone, but since they're always kind of "on call" that's a real luxury. So since she's never alone with her thoughts, she's even worse off. At the end of the movie when she wants to talk to the Puppetmaster, she disconnects from Batou, who gets pissed. I think it's implied that Batou is in love with her but knows full well that isn't going to happen. They can't have real lives. The Puppetmaster itself claims to be alive, not AI since it wasn't designed. Supposedly just "woke up" after enough data had accrued around it. So something that began as a computer virus was swimming around the internet and came across enough things on wikipedia or whatever and started to connect the dots. That may be a germ for many good college-dorm bullshitting sessions, but it's also pertinent to current/future events. Just because it's gotten so mainstream that everybody with spare time is talking about it doesn't mean it's not worth discussing - maybe just keep your distance from the "whoa. mind. blown." college crowd? (On that note, it can be pretty exhausting when you're in a group of navel-gazers who don't really think about this stuff/read books. That's probably another reason why the live action movie probably won't contain much philosophy.) Whew. Maybe comparing it to a book seems off, but what movies can portray in microseconds takes paragraphs in a book. At any rate, I'm not saying movies are superior to books, if that's your objection.
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Jul 19, 2016 23:17
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Aramaki unloadin on some suckas. Probably some snitch rear end rogue Section kids, because he doesn't brook defection. Or maybe Batou for not living up to my highest standard of improbable muscle man. Also why do they work for some robotics company instead of the gov't?
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Sep 22, 2016 08:59
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If a bunch of gendermuffins decide to make GitS some sort of ridiculous statement, they're going to miss out on the important stuff like invisible people shooting eachother and giant tanks that can ram through concrete and rebar and the inevitable deus ex machina hilarity of Batou pulling some totally illegal heavy weapons out of the trunk of his car.
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Sep 24, 2016 11:43
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Hamelekim posted:The more transhumanist movies we have out there the better. As long as it has cool action scenes it will do well in theaters. That aside, yeah, the movie is a bit heavy on the "look, Japan!" element, especially since the film is set in Hong Kong for (some dumb reason). K. Waste posted:I think it's time to just watch Snow White and the Huntsmen, already.
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Sep 25, 2016 05:16
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Renoistic posted:In the manga turning into a cyborg is literally an extreme form of cosmetic surgery. Military cyborgs like the major are in the minority. A whole chapter is dedicated to explaining the process. This while old people who can't afford the process or to retire to somewhere warm are thrown out into the street together with the trash. Isn't that where the Solid State Society came in? Iirc it was a bunch of olds who accrued lots of money and piled it together, then kidnapped orphans so they could transfer their "ghosts" in to new hosts. That's what I got anyway. The ending was so weird, I wasn't quite sure how the plot resolved. They implied it was Kuze behind it, but that seems uncharacteristic of him. Also, what a perfect chance to off Togusa in a poignant way...but it's cool that he was a meaningful enough character to keep him around, as unlikely as his salvation was.
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Sep 25, 2016 10:32
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Young Freud posted:Actually an aspect of Kusanagi is behind that plot Yeah, even a guy like Shirow who is obviously a real technophile puts in warnings about the future. Generally, there's enough poverty and squalor to be glaring, even if the main characters mostly ignore it. Even relative "nice guys" like Aramaki aren't concerned with such things, either because they're trivial or inevitable under their current way of life.
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Young Freud posted:I know the V For Vendetta cavalcade of faces that shows when Kusanagi is looking at that guy's blown-off face makes it confusing, but it ends Kusanagi looking at herself. Also, watch the scene where Kusanagi's room of doubles is introduced, because you can see that guy leaving.. It's also a trope that comes up often in the source material rereading through one of the chapters tonight, the unseen South American narcoterrorist "Anaconda" that Section 1 is making deals with Kusanagi's old terrorist enemy is supposedly Kusanagi herself, whom she and Aramaki set up to so as to control terror groups since it's easier to neutralize them that way instead of killing them. Kusanagi-vs.-Kusanagi trope is much more explicit in GITS2.0 - Man Machine Interface, since Motoko Aramaki's literally fighting the Motoko-Puppeteer merged children that she herself is one as well as showing up in ARISE the bomber is supposedly using some sort of software copy of Kusanagi-as-terrorist to become self-radicalized and learn how to make bombs..  Young Freud posted:"Appleseed" is a lot more of cautious. He's said that he did his worldbuilding conservatively, otherwise he felt that that world would have blown themselves up and be nothing but cockroaches. The second book is where is probably the best example of that, where the Olympus council of bioroids, genetically-engineered humans with extremely regulated bodies made to serve and help man, essentially decides that humanity isn't worth saving (complete with a bioroid senator that looks a lot like a famous German dictator smiling at the thought) and it's better to force transition them into being bioroids without their consent. DeusExMachinima posted:You do know that the O.G. GITS movie was based off Hong Kong, right? Reserving judgement, but I'm not expecting a movie that gives you the kinds of twists and warps and flat-out mind-fuckery of some of the better GitS fare. I'm basically expecting Aeon Flux: a great concept that Hollywood hacked to bits because they can't do adaptations right unless its some Oscar bait poo poo. Also, this director did that one movie and it's going to be hard to forgive him for that.
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