Kanine posted:

http://www.npr.org/2016/05/15/477954537/when-a-transgender-person-uses-a-public-bathroom-who-is-at-risk

oy

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

For a great many people the idea of your gender being different than your sex is such a foreign concept that I would hazard to call it almost alien. So yeah folks need to be lead through the absolute basics.

mandatory lesbian posted:

for a lot of people it is a big new revelation, like the point of that joke you mentioned was that white people just don't think about how black people are treated bc of being sheltered from it

now if you wanna argue NPR's audience specifically wouldn't have regarded it as new, that's fine, but i kinda think it is a point worth noting

RagnarokAngel posted:

Whoa now let's not get crazy

fishmech posted:

Reminder that the first TERFs were people who got real mad when trans people dumped them.

There were feminists who didn't like trans people before that of course, but the TERF movement of people who were actively against them started with a bunch of feminists who got dumped.

Yardbomb posted:

Jesus christ what a loving shitbag.

metalloid posted:

Well, that TERF link was wonderful, and by wonderful, I mean infuriating. It's nice to know that there are hateful idiots all over the ideological spectrum. By wonderful, of course, I mean absolutely terrible.

Yardbomb posted:

If there was any justice, every one of those hellholes would be firebombed with the people running them locked inside.

I have a couple friends, guys and girls both, that had first-hand experiences with them and after the things they talked about, there's not a drop of exaggeration in the pure hate of the above statement.

fishmech posted:

And 19 countries have proved that not having any restriction on gays donating hasn't affect the integrity of the blood supply.

CommieGIR posted:

Its Insect Court. He's a Right Wing troll.

Control Volume posted:

49 gay people were murdered recently in americas deadliest shooting but I think we should also take time to mourn an additional casualty: the pride of a straight dude who got called a berniebro on the internet

Reik posted:

Are all of your posts this terrible, or is this one just exceptionally bad?

Ran Mad Dog posted:

Note to straight people posting here in the future: Take note of the last few pages, and just don't mention that you're straight and you won't have bigots jumping down your throat at first opportunity.


Also please don't let this thread paint your picture of the lgbt community. It's underscored here but they are for the vast majority a lot of good, friendly people.

Ran Mad Dog posted:

Cool thanks for letting us all know it's completely safe to ignore all your dumb bullshit, then.

If you ever decide to stop being a Caitlyn Jenner wanna-be level embarrassment to the trans community, feel free to PM me about.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

No I won't because it doesn't matter. Here's some actual advice: if you're that insecure about your sexuality that a stranger telling another stranger to stop straightsplaining poo poo on an internet forum give you the vapors you need to focus on getting that in check because you'll crumble the first time you actually meet someone "offline" that has an issue with you and your sexual orientation.

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Holy poo poo. A week ago, 49 people were murdered in cold blood in the worst mass shooting in American history and people are getting all bent out of sorts about an rear end in a top hat on the internet?

Stop making GBS threads up this thread and if you want to yell at me do it over PM.

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Hey, folks, PM's and QCS are the place to confront mods or raise concerns about their behavior. I would hope that this thread could have better topics to engage in during these trying times.

VitalSigns posted:

Pull up thread!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-20/istanbul-riot-police-break-up-lgbt-parade-with-tear-gas/7524772

LGBT: Turkish riot police fire tear gas, rubber bullets to break up Trans Pride parade in Istanbul

I met a very sweet Turkish boy in Istanbul a few years ago who recently discovered that she's trans, I haven't heard from her yet but it's rear end early in the morning there now so I hope she's just asleep

Megaspel posted:

Man, this thread is so slow. The UKMT gets just about over 100x more posts. I would've thought that all the issues that lgbt people face all over the world, loads of people finding themselves and navigating dangerous social environments would at least inspire as much posting as the politics of the lovely little island I live on.

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Oh gently caress off. What I meant was that in a world where horrific poo poo is happening it seems a bit silly to get all spun up over someone not showing a straight man enough deference when they roll in and try to explain that Clinton was actually a bad guy because DADT and it's repeal wasn't a big deal. Or was it because I called insect court out on being a jackass over blood donations? I've lost the narrative thread of what horrible things I've done. I know that I dropped it and walked away because I was asked to but you seem incapable of letting it go. So again if you want to yell at me some more feel free to PM me or an admin about it.

GreyjoyBastard posted:

One of my dearest friends is a Turk who just got engaged to her girlfriend and, uh, works for the Turkish government.

Her next email to me will probably cause my computer to ignite.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

in which the guy playing more progressive than thou is upset that someone got probated for a dumb 'haha lisping human being drama am I right' post.

Seriously my man read your last few posts and tell me you have any room to talk about insufferable and lovely posting, take a loving breath.

Cocks Cable posted:

Uhhh, so hi thread. When is Germany going to get gay married? It feels like they are very behind the western progress curve in this regard when you look at the West as a whole.

fishmech posted:

If I didn't misread the translations from German, it seems their current problem is there's a pissing match going between parties not in government that have serious proposals to legalize it, and the parties in government that want to block it mostly to spite those other parties at this point. One presumes that if the coalition of those out of power and pushing the marriage bill win enough seats next election to be government, they'll do it as one of their first actions.

But they're hardly alone among the west in terms of not having gay marriage already, shockingly few places have it:


Dark blue means same sex marriage is legal. The goldish color indicates that laws have been passed legalizing it but they haven't taken effect yet - I believe both countries and the other minor areas in that color right now are doing it in 2017. Light blue is civil unions only. The teal blue color indicates that you can't get same sex married in that place, but if you get same-sex married somewhere else it's considered legal and valid.

Notice especially that Australia has refused to legalize despite NZ doing it a bit ago.

It totals to about 19 countries where it's fully legal, a few more where it's mostly legal (like Mexico, or how some segments of the total United Kingdom don't have it quite yet), and then 2 or so countries where it's guarenteed to be legal soon. Out of 196 countries.

VitalSigns posted:

gently caress yeah

Fun fact: the Dutch Reformed Church (NGK) (one of the major pillars of support for apartheid) was also a major supporter of the apartheid regime's criminalization of homosexuality. Last fall when I was visiting some family out there, it made front page news that the NGK had just voted to fully recognize gay marriage

E: drat okay I guess I misremembered the newspaper article I read, looking it up now it seems the NGK voted that committed sexual relationships outside of marriage are no longer sinful and that they recognize homosexual married couples as having a nonsinful committed sexual relationship that doesn't impair their standing in the church but is somehow still not equivalent to biblical marriage.

hackbunny posted:

Klaus88 posted:

Yeah, Italy sure terrorized the world last time they went far-right.

Guavanaut posted:

The public perception of the 'acceptability' of LGBT people is still a fair bit lower in SA to the US, but progress is being made. It's certainly a lot better than when you start heading further north.

Paradoxically the old NGK was probably one of the main driving forces behind the adoption of LGBT rights, by combining homophobia with support for apartheid, the two became somewhat entwined in popular thought, so after the first full elections and the new constitution in the mid 90s there was an attitude of "yeah gently caress everything they supported." And so gay rights happened. I think that was the first time in the world that a national constitution protected against sexual orientation discrimination on the same level as race.

Outside of the courtrooms though, there's still a lot of room for progress.

a cartoon duck posted:

The funny thing is I usually don't hear any straight and clear opposition to same-sex marriage in political discourse, but a lot of deflection. I think "but what about SINGLE MOMS?!" was popular for a while. There was that one CDU politician that said same-sex marriage would lead to legalising incest, but even her own party members distanced themselves from her for that.

There's also the fact the Bundesverfassungsgericht in Karlsruhe, sorta kinda the Supreme Court of Germany, generally rules in favour of making marriage and civil union equal in terms of tax rights, inheritance rights and adoption rights (though only when adopting your partner's child). There's not even a whole lot of religious opposition to same-sex marriage, when even the evangelical Christian community in German speaks in favour of it (though only offers blessings but not weddings from what I can tell) and the Catholic Church mostly wrings their hands and speaks only in the vaguest term because a clear no would mean even more people saying gently caress you and quitting the church.

It feels like there's so little actually stopping us from having same-sex marriage that it continuously amazes me that we don't have it yet.

Wooten posted:

Yeah, wouldn't want to be too uppity, we should appreciate what we are given. It's just words after all.

Is it possible for you to make a post in this thread that isn't backhanded?

Wooten posted:

Nice meltdown

CommieGIR posted:

Bu..but separate but equal

OwlFancier posted:

It sounds like the intro to some kind of porno.

[Republican State Official Enters Bathroom, sees strangely attractive man at the urinal.]

"Excuse me, you got a license for that heat you packin'?"

"Sure do, wanna check it's in working order?"

Keeshhound posted:

I contest your premise that it is possible to have safe sex in a public bathroom, those places are filthy.

Lumberjack Bonanza posted:

Wait until you find out where the poops are made to begin with.

OwlFancier posted:

Even health concerns aside the potent stench of stale urine and feces just, doesn't do it for me I'm afraid. I think in order to see the appeal I would have to be so drunk as to be unable to act on it.

Coffee And Pie posted:

I guess it makes sense if you can't go home for one reason or another, it's probably easier and less risky than a car.

gay rites posted:

it is far less risky than a car. in my state, bathrooms are a place with a reasonable expectation of privacy. you cannot bust two men for being nude together in a stall.