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Schizotek posted:This week has been pretty awful for me. I go to school in Orlando, and while I was lucky enough to be in Texas visiting family during the shooting, I still got to wake up to texts from friends telling me my community was being massacred. Discussion about it in the household ended up with a shouting argument between me and pretty much everyone else that ended with me outed and told by my grandfather that people gays and liberals aren't part of the family's values, and if I didn't hold their values I wasn't part of the family. Feels bad man Sorry to hear that. Were all here if you need us. 
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I had a bizzaro conversation with my mother the other night who called me about this. First she was like well just don't go out to bars then she was don't drink at bars and then finally it was just like "Well be safe". I guess that's progress other than her seemingly implying I was going to be raped and murdered if I kept going out to gay bars. Also, my mother has a very in depth knowledge of all homosexual serial killers and how they killed their victims which is kind of disturbing.
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Schizotek posted:This week has been pretty awful for me. I go to school in Orlando, and while I was lucky enough to be in Texas visiting family during the shooting, I still got to wake up to texts from friends telling me my community was being massacred. Discussion about it in the household ended up with a shouting argument between me and pretty much everyone else that ended with me outed and told by my grandfather that people gays and liberals aren't part of the family's values, and if I didn't hold their values I wasn't part of the family. Feels bad man That sucks, dude. I hope things get better for you.
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Schizotek posted:This week has been pretty awful for me. I go to school in Orlando, and while I was lucky enough to be in Texas visiting family during the shooting, I still got to wake up to texts from friends telling me my community was being massacred. Discussion about it in the household ended up with a shouting argument between me and pretty much everyone else that ended with me outed and told by my grandfather that people gays and liberals aren't part of the family's values, and if I didn't hold their values I wasn't part of the family. Feels bad man quote:Serious answer? Iran doesn't have that many cows. While I'm sure the numbers have grown since the 18th century, the comparison of local rulers wealth from that era usually listed sheep and goats in the tens, or hundreds of thousands, and I'm not sure I ever saw a rulers cow herd as being listed over a hundred.  because the mother in question threw in a random "I know nothing about animal husbandry but I'm going to use it to excuse my prejudices."
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I've read that cows mount each other too, and it can be considered mutual masturbation as they have an erogenous zone on the rump
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CommieGIR posted:If it makes you feel better, its killing his ratings, the only people who buy that are the Tea Party mongoloids that already support him no matter what. Apparently my dad finally drew the line on supporting the Republican party when Trump pulled clear though. But then, his candidate was Cruz, so I'm not really sure that's any better.
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hackbunny posted:I've read that cows mount each other too, and it can be considered mutual masturbation as they have an erogenous zone on the rump Yes, routinely. In fact that is how you know a cow is in estrus, because they'll both mount other cows and be receptive to mounting. I grew up on a working cattle ranch, we did some artificial insemination stuff and as part of that you put a little dye pack on top of their rump. When the cow is in estrus she will be receptive to mounting from other (female) cows which will break the dye pack and then the rancher knows she's in estrus. Bulls will try and mount each other too but I dunno as much about that. Only a few bulls for hundreds of cows, and it's not something you pay attention to whereas female cows mounting each other is important information about their fertility. Edit: I've seen bulls attempt to mount other bulls but the "bottom" bull is not receptive and having none of that.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Hey jackass no one is saying its a civil rights issue. It's just stupid that as someone who is low-risk for HIV that I'm forever barred from donating blood because I occasionally engage in consensual sex with my husband. A prohibition that magically disappears if I lie about it. Firstly, current blood donation guidelines only prohibit donations from MSM who have been sexually active in the past 12 months, not indefinitely. Secondly, the prohibition does not disappear if you lie, it is merely circumvented. If the dentist asks you if you're allergic to any medications and you say that you're not, your allergy to penicillin does not disappear.
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The Insect Court posted:Firstly, current blood donation guidelines only prohibit donations from MSM who have been sexually active in the past 12 months, not indefinitely. Secondly, the prohibition does not disappear if you lie, it is merely circumvented. If the dentist asks you if you're allergic to any medications and you say that you're not, your allergy to penicillin does not disappear. Let's say you are a gay man married to another gay man. You still have to be abstinent for a loving year to donate a literally life-saving fluid. And stay abstinent if you want to give as often as you can. You are married. Married. But no sex.
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That's functionally a rolling indefinite ban if you're in most relationships though. They could have an exception for monogamous gay couples. That then gets into 'but one of them could cheat and the other wouldn't know'. That's the same in all relationships though, and it was said further up thread that the risk of HIV is statistically higher in all cases when that happens, not just with MSM. It's the same with sex work. If you pay money for unprotected sex with a different person every weekend, it's a 12 month deferral. If you accepted money for sex even once, it's a lifetime ban. So you get into the same situation of whether this is statistics or stigma, and whether someone who did sex work with a select group of clients, always used protection, and stopped 10 years ago could be justified in lying on the form if they had consistently tested negative for blood borne diseases since.
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you can just lie, and you should, unless you actually have HIV
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i am hopeful that at some point the law will become smart, but that could take years and blood is needed now
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So this is horrific http://www.newser.com/story/226790/...r=1735409x84899 quote:MOMBASA, Kenya (AP) — A Kenyan court on Thursday upheld the use of anal examinations to determine a suspect's sexual orientation, dismissing the argument that the procedure amounts to torture and degrading treatment.
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How would that test even work. Or is it basically the Salem gay trials.
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Maybe their checking for scarification or reflex? I dunno. Like medically yeah you could tell in certain situations, possibly.
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Didn't they do similar examinations during the satanic ritual abuse panic, which were found to be completely inaccurate?
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Aleph Null posted:Let's say you are a gay man married to another gay man. You still have to be abstinent for a loving year to donate a literally life-saving fluid. And stay abstinent if you want to give as often as you can. Yes, and? The fact that it is literally a life-saving fluid means that protecting the integrity of the blood supply is of paramount importance. And the fact that there needs to be a standardized screening process used for potential blood donors means that even if someone is a special snowflake who is totally a perfectly safe donor but throws a flag on the screening is still not going to be able to donate blood. mandatory lesbian posted:you can just lie, and you should, unless you actually have HIV I do not think that is a good idea, or good advice to be giving.
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The Insect Court posted:The fact that it is literally a life-saving fluid means that protecting the integrity of the blood supply is of paramount importance. And the fact that there needs to be a standardized screening process used for potential blood donors means that even if someone is a special snowflake who is totally a perfectly safe donor but throws a flag on the screening is still not going to be able to donate blood. The screening should still be based on medical necessity and not stigma, though, and the examples of other countries that have removed the one-year ban and not seen an increase in HIV or hepatitis is a pretty strong indication that it's stigma or at best bureaucratic inertia responsible for its persistence here and not evidence-based medical need.
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How do you feel about banning black men from donating since the risk of HIV infected blood is about the same?
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RagnarokAngel posted:How do you feel about banning black men from donating since the risk of HIV infected blood is about the same? This is factually incorrect. VitalSigns posted:The screening should still be based on medical necessity and not stigma, though, and the examples of other countries that have removed the one-year ban and not seen an increase in HIV or hepatitis is a pretty strong indication that it's stigma or at best bureaucratic inertia responsible for its persistence here and not evidence-based medical need. There are just as many countries, including quite progressive ones, that retain a 12-month deferral (or longer). And I would like to see your sources on what these countries are, the most recent highly studied example of a policy change I'm aware of was Australia but they moved to a one year deferral period, not away from one. And coincidentally, the last established case in the United States of HIV being transmitted through a blood transfusion was traced back to a man who had lied on his screening exam about his sexual behavior. Which is kind of a pretty example why you shouldn't do that. The Insect Court fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Not every MSM has HIV though. If they are monogamous and know they and their partner are HIV free it makes zero sense unless you think it spontaneously generates. Seriously there's no good excuse except "gays icky ".
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And Turkey's gov just declared that the Istanbul Gay Pride March wouldn't happen this year "on security ground". Considering that last year, they broke it up with cops shooting rubber bullets on the crowd, it's hard to deny the security problem.
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Toplowtech posted:And Turkey's gov just declared that the Istanbul Gay Pride March wouldn't happen this year "on security ground". Considering that last year, they broke it up with cops shooting rubber bullets on the crowd, it's hard to deny the security problem. Between Erdrogan's recent announcements declaring women who don't have children 'Useless' and Turkey playing up their Islamic connections, say hello to the new Turkish Islamic state.
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The Insect Court posted:Yes, and? And 19 countries have proved that not having any restriction on gays donating hasn't affect the integrity of the blood supply.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Not every MSM has HIV though. If they are monogamous and know they and their partner are HIV free it makes zero sense unless you think it spontaneously generates. Standard counterargument is 'that's the same for het couples too, with roughtly the same risks'. But nobody is making the counterargument backed by stats at the levels where decisions are made.
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fishmech posted:And 19 countries have proved that not having any restriction on gays donating hasn't affect the integrity of the blood supply.
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Hermetic posted:He's eilther too stupid to understand you, or trolling. Either way, the kid's not worth your time. Its Insect Court. He's a Right Wing troll.
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CommieGIR posted:Its Insect Court. He's a Right Wing troll. That is the saddest life I can imagine. I don't know what went wrong in his past, but I hope he gets better one day.
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What's a good news site for LGBT news. I mostly read the Advocate , Queerty( don't judge me) and Huffposts Queer Voices.
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Hollismason posted:What's a good news site for LGBT news. I mostly read the Advocate , Queerty( don't judge me) and Huffposts Queer Voices. http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/
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hackbunny posted:like in the north, there's even today still a clear divide between the regions that used to be in the austrian empire and those that were under french house savoy. hackbunny posted:the largest secessionist movement though is, of course, the northern league party, which you may know from their incredibly racist propaganda. they have toned down the secessionist rhetoric a long time ago, now they only want to turn italy into a federation, so that the (hard working) north can stop subsidizing the (corrupt, lazy, parasitic) south. when they still were hardcore secessionists they were the funniest: they had their own radio station, newspaper, incredibly inaccurate history school books, their own made up religious rituals, their own beauty contest only open to pure blood northern girls, their own comic book superhero, I think they even symbolically printed their own money. I'm sure I'm forgetting something. nowadays they're a garden variety low information voter party hackbunny posted:some time ago, some people stole a yellow audi wagon in milan, and joyrode it across the northeast for weeks. it drove them crazy, people reported sightings of the yellow audi everywhere, the thieves were accused of one burglary, no, two, no they're killers, no, adrenaline junkies, newspapers even interviewed local wrc legend miki biasion for his opinion on how a big car could outrun the police on the freeway in a straight line, are they pilots or stuntmen maybe?! ("no, they just have a big car and they speed on the freeway, where's the skill in that". reminds me of when they interviewed fuksas on the wtc collapse and he was like "uh yeah a fire can collapse a building"). there were facebook groups for reporting sightings, theorizing... as much as it drove them crazy with fear, rage, confusion ("this is the last straw, I'm getting my carry permit" says the typical northeasterner in the typical interview), the rest of italy barely noticed. basically in the northeast every day is slow news day hackbunny fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Hollismason posted:What's a good news site for LGBT news. I mostly read the Advocate , Queerty( don't judge me) and Huffposts Queer Voices. hackbunny posted:Meanwhile in Italy: hackbunny posted:"billy clubs and ricin oil" and he can't call them "faggots" because "the law is on their side. So, we have to keep the billy club in our pocket and throw away the ricin oil" Not that wanting to torture people instead of outright murder them makes them good people.
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Guavanaut posted:That might be better as "billy clubs and castor oil", I think? It's the same bean, but ricin is the poison and castor oil is the non-poisonous plant oil that the Mussolini's police used to force-feed people until they poo poo themselves. Oooh I knew it didn't sound right. We call it "olio di ricino" in Italian
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Are they saying poo poo was better under the Austrian-Hungarian empire (or maybe just Austria?) If so, that might be the dumbest thing I've read in a while. 
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Klaus88 posted:Are they saying poo poo was better under the Austrian-Hungarian empire (or maybe just Austria?) If so, that might be the dumbest thing I've read in a while. No no no, let's not get derailed, it's what I suspect the east/west cultural divide of Northern Italy comes from, because the north-east can feel downright protestant sometimes. Nobody is that nostalgic
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Yeah I'd like to read more international queer news. Thanks for the suggestions.
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How was Don't Ask Don't Tell viewed by the LGBT community when it was passed back in 1993? Was it seen as progress for LGBT rights?
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Reik posted:How was Don't Ask Don't Tell viewed by the LGBT community when it was passed back in 1993? Was it seen as progress for LGBT rights? Well it was certainly a better outcome than the witch hunts that came before. My dad (career Air Force) has told me stories about how in the 80's he took part in investigations where they would interrogate and threaten with all sorts of fun things including dishonorable discharges to people who they suspected of being gay to get them to confess and name names.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Well it was certainly a better outcome than the witch hunts that came before. My dad (career Air Force) has told me stories about how in the 80's he took part in investigations where they would interrogate and threaten with all sorts of fun things including dishonorable discharges to people who they suspected of being gay to get them to confess and name names. I've heard similar stories from my uncle (career Navy): it was seen as imperfect to say the least, but it was actually a step up and more importantly officially recognized that gay people do indeed exist.
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