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Jun 7, 2010

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Xolve posted:

Because apparently paying billions of isk a month in Sov bills isn't enough to justify some sort of home-space advantage.

well now there's a lot of potential home-space advantage and boy is everyone steamed about it

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Xolve posted:

Is this the same 'everyone' that's clamored about everything else before?

i dunno what this means but i'm using it as a shortcut for "a large quantity of vocal outcry"

i can only measure things by the candor of the posting :angel:

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Jun 7, 2010

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lucifirius posted:

What about how many /r/eve threads get spawned on a topic?

it's starting to become a little difficult to properly haunt all those threads, there's just too many of them

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Jun 7, 2010

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OpticalRape posted:

REMOVE LOCAL

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Jun 7, 2010

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let's do some freighter convoys*

* titans bridging freighters around

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Jun 7, 2010

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freighter escorts were a thing for a while when certain ihub upgrades couldn't be manufactured and had to be trucked in from highsec

there are some that are freighter sized, and only seeded in empire

nowadays there's blueprints for all of them so there's basically no need to escort a freighter ever

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lucifirius posted:

Sand castles don't take weeks to kill.

Where did this "citadels take weeks to kill" meme come from

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Jun 7, 2010

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Reverand maynard posted:

because they take weeks to kill

Nope

7 days = 1 week

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Landsknecht posted:

unless you need to check a vuln timer first, or scan it before hitting it

IMO every citadel should have min 3h vuln/day

that's recon, not killing

and no, no weekend timers for you

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Jun 7, 2010

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not with that attitude you won't

"i'm too le tired to undock"

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sounds like it's time for the blue pac-man to take the mantle of responsibility bestowed upon them by dint of being the top dogs in the universe and un-blue each other to save eve

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1001 Arabian dicks posted:

Hey remember when fozzie and greyscale and seagull ruined this game?


Eve used to be so good.

they're not out to ruin the game, they're out to ruin your game :laugh:

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Jun 7, 2010

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Catberry posted:

How are the HAW weapons on a Phoenix? I know they are easy to smartbomb but do they apply damage well to Cruisers without target painters?

have you ever tried to kill a horsefly by throwing glitter at it

that's about how effective it is

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:horse::gizz::corsair:

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source your quotes

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Valar Morghulis posted:

The whole moon mining thing is a serious gently caress up. It's an integral part of alliance income. Also, it gets some fights.
I don't understand why they're so steadfast in loving things up...

the new moon mining is cool + good, we're excited for it

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E Equals MC Hammer posted:

What the hell is ph

it is a measure of hydrogen ions in an aqueous solution

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STFU Pumpkinhead posted:

Has CCP said what they're going to do with packaged towers when they delete POSes? I've got a few bil in Gallente larges that never got evacced from Dek.

nope, and they won't until POS are completely obsoleted (and it'll probably take a year after that)

after the refinery patch, POS are still needed for jump bridges, beacons, and jammers

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CMvan46 posted:

I just assumed they were going to be moving those to the new refinery structures as well to be done wit POS completely this year. They could make all 3 of those service modules for the new structures. But it's CCP so probably not and they won't actually be gone for another year or 2.

yeah, no

look forward to 2-3 more years of POS being around

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Lansoc posted:

yea.. i'm thinking about going back to nullsec but it seems the blue ball is even bigger than before.

nowadays it's a blue pacman

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Dalael posted:

To be fair, that's what a lot of people were saying about fozzie sov right up til it got implemented.

yeah, but new moon mining doesn't carry an attendant risk of us losing all of our space, it's just a replacement for a fairly minor portion of our current alliance income

as such we can just completely ignore all moon antics whatsoever if it's too much of a pain in the rear end

(we'll still probably put some refineries up though)

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Lansoc posted:

sitter character

thank goodness for keepstars, this dumb poo poo is no longer necessary

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so who's ready for the july PVE nerfs

the june nerfs only reduced our economic output by 1%, so you know there's more coming

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it has been [0] days since 1001 arabian dicks has made a cry for attention

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lucifirius posted:

What I want to know is why the constant railing against ~asset safety~. Which if removed from nullsec would kill nullsec because gently caress being able to lose all the random poo poo you've collected. Just make the assets locked away longer.

retards with no structures of their own think that existing structure havers will continue to store everything and anything in a citadel if it is full loot, and seem incapable of understanding the basic risk avoidance behavior of keeping poo poo in NPC

they're also wrong about it driving PVP -- engineering complexes are already partial loot, right now, yet no one seems to care about that

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Rutibex posted:

If you could loot assets from Citadels i think it would eventually result in one alliance dominating all nullsec. As it stands you can't really "defeat" a large alliance entirely, because a large portion of their wealth/ships are safe when docked. If you could loot citadels this would change.

It would be possible to break the back of an alliance by stealing all of their wealth generating ships/blueprints. It would also give the conquering alliance a huge boon in resources. These resources could then be used to continue conquering, until only one alliance remains.

nah

we'd just put all our trash in NPC stations and shrug dismissively at the concept of using a player-built structure for anything more than a safe cyno spot or supercap logoff spot

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citadel status: cool + good, more = more better

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Also, superior facilities can help. As you enter more lawless space in Eve, the benefits that player-owned Engineering Complexes provide increases. Nullsec's facilities are the best, but they're generally going to be further from central markets.

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Mokbek posted:

How are goons faring in 2017 ?

after six years of uncontested domination, we finally got our rear end kicked by out-of-game casino money and fled back to delve

we dropped thousands of the new Citadel and Engineering Complex structures (outpost replacements) and exploit our region more effectively than anyone else

the new sov system sucks balls

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Catberry posted:

When are we going to retake the north and burn it to the ground on principle?

:effort:



it's okay sweetie, it happened outside of highsec so it isn't anything you'd be worried about

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you can also tell C4 and C5 K162s apart by the ship size

C4: "dangerous unknown" and "larger ships"
C5: "dangerous unknown" and "very large ships"

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iospace posted:

Not always, if you're on a C4 or lower side of a C5/C6, you're still getting large ships.

Yeah, good point. It'll max out at the max size allowed into that particular hole.

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Torabi posted:

Thanks for the info. Me and my friends want to mess around in WH as much as possible. The only problem is that at least one of us has to be dedicated to scanning and the hacking, which would be me since I have the most SP in those areas. I'm not really comfortable with taking my astero just yet so I'm stuck with a heron. Are there any good fits out there for small gang pvp? I've found https://o.smium.org/ but all the fits I find seem really outdated with modules missing from the game and whatnot.

According to various guides relic sites are the ones with the big bux so I could forgo having a data analyzer and put in something to make me more durable perhaps?

Yeah, aside from Astero small ancillary armor rep fits, you can't really be a good prober/hacker and fight at the same time. However, if you're careful and watch dscan/local (as appropriate) you won't run into too much trouble.

If you're looking for fitting simulators, look up Pyfa. It's a client-side program, but it's good at simulating fits and you can have it read your characters' skills to make it more accurate.

Your instincts are correct -- data sites are generally not that great. They're more a lottery ticket item -- occasionally they'll pay out an obscure "storyline" BPC material, or a good blueprint, but most of the time you get crap. Relic sites have a much more reliable payout.

One thing you can do to help is fit a cargo scanner to your ship, then cargo scan the cans in sites before you hack them. This will tell you what the prize will be before you hack, so you can skip cans that have, like, 3 Carbon in them. This practice, while quite effective at optimizing your income and time, is rude as gently caress, because the site won't despawn until all the cans have been hacked. You can intentionally fail the hack twice (by closing the hack minigame window) to explode the can. I don't recommend leaving sites alive with lovely cans if you (e.g.) belong to a corporation and you're doing sites in your corp's space. Anywhere else, who gives a gently caress.

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Torabi posted:

Cargo scanners are already something I use actually. So good that I am not totally lost.
Is Pyfa more popular then EFT now? Been a while since I last played EVE so I had never even heard of Pyfa until now and we are doing poo poo in WH so I'll just leave a mess. :v:

The ultimate goal would be for us to do more than just having my friends watch my back while I fail at hacking and eventually get into small gang pvp but for now just loving around in WHs is pretty exciting.

Oh, cool. Yeah, Pyfa has definitely supplanted EFT as the fitting simulator IMO. EFT has spotty updates and is hosted on some obscure eastern european download site that probably serves viruses to anyone who actually has ads enabled, while pyfa is actively developed and updated, and pyfa executables are hosted on github.

WHs are the way to go for finding sites, too. Stick to low-class (C1, C2, C3,) do the k-space sites that spawn inside, and be on the lookout for holes to interesting bits of nullsec, where you can steal sites from sov havers. Avoid the drone regions, though, their data/relic sites are absolute trash.

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orange juche posted:

Querns I thought you hated wormholes and wanted them to disappear, how do you know so much about something you hate?

How the heck would I be able to get them deleted from this gay earth if I couldn't talk about them competently? :thunk:

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no one cares about your SP total, especially now that injectors exist

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if you're on the blacklist then only mittani can take you off

so there you go talk to him

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Torabi posted:

The very first thing we scanned down today was a relic site. Score! Or so we thought. We entered and I started hacking. Then the entire site exploded. :saddowns: Did it just decide to de-spawn at the worst time or was it a bug or something?

Was it a Covert Research Facility? Those are Ghost sites, and they have a strict time limit. You have to have excellent skills and be very good at the mini game.

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i agree, the game is quite stagnant

the blue pacman should really do something about that already

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