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"Bernie supporters are so naive! You need to support down ticket votes!" *Bernie supports downticket candidates* "Don't support downticket voters! That's naive because it divides the party! Focus on Republicans!" *Hypothetical reality where Bernie supports downticket democrats going up against Republicans* "You Bernie supporters are wasting your time and energy supporting a left wing Democratic candidate who can't win against a Republican in a conservative district!"
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It's really refreshing to see all these left winger when the primaries. 
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Jimbot posted:I never understood the fear of GMOs from the left. Wow, the evils of having fruit and veggies grow at half the speed, needing half the water, growing in terrain that they normally wouldn't be able to and all these good things that allow us to feed the world. Clearly these people are satan-spawn who are turning people who consume these Frankenstein vegetables until mutants by altering their DNA. Furthermore It's a stereotype that it is only the far left that hates things like GMOs and vaccines. The reality is that there is little correlation between ideology and the anti-GMO movement. punk rebel ecks has issued a correction as of 23:59 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Jul 1, 2016 23:54
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Do anti-GMO people have an even remote leg to stand on? Is there any evidence against using GMOs? Does there "anti-tobacco" arguments hold any water?
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Jul 2, 2016 00:44
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empireofcrime posted:Can someone give me the rundown on how PROMESA is good? May have already posted about it, but didn't get much in the way of a response. Was it necessary or could something better have been crafted? From what I know of it I'm glad Sanders and 17 or so other dems voted against it, but there may be practical reasons for voting for it. It's terrible and essentially an undemocratic control over Puerto Rico and they would be better off doing nothing at all. It is a perfect example why presidential candidates matter even during a lame duck congress.
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Jul 2, 2016 01:03
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empireofcrime posted:Figures. I'm sure establishment dems/Clinton supporters are crowing about how Congress rescued PR and it was the best they could do in a lovely situation. If they listen hard enough they can hear the shackle snap shut. There was an asinine article about how Sanders started back in his senatorial capacity by already working against party leaders referring to his vote and speaking out against PROMESA. Political parties really do work like sports teams. When Detroit did something similar (which ended up failing) it was harshly criticized by Dems because it was executed by a Republican governor. Yet when Obama does the same thing with even more control it is a "wide decision."
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Jul 2, 2016 01:11
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Classic Comrade posted:yeah i feel as tho GMOs in and of themselves are totally fine, it's how corporate interests might utilize them [or how they're currently utilizing them, if that's the case] that could be Bad, and where all of the trouble really lies How could using GMOs be bad?
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Jul 2, 2016 06:08
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FreakerByTheSpeaker posted:Consider the AquaAdvantage Salmon: the first GMO animal approved for human consumption. It grows year-round instead of just in the spring and summer, which means that it achieves full size in 16-18 months instead of 3-5 years. This is the only legitimate complaint against GMOs I've heard so far.
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Jul 4, 2016 01:31
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EugeneJ posted:The fact that GMO labeling will become a thing while every vitamin sold in America remains unregulated by the FDA is pretty Or the virtual monopoly of multiple food sectors.
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Jul 4, 2016 05:35
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I feel that this is the biggest divide between the Blue Left (Clinton Era Democratic supporters) and the Neo-Left (Democratic Socialist/Bernie supporters). One believes economic policies are a huge key tenet while the other feels it should go in the backburner besides welfare.
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Jul 4, 2016 20:38
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ThndrShk2k posted:The Neo-Left are NeoLiberals, which are the antithesis for Bernie supporters. Labels are idiotic, but I'm just trying to figure out what to call the new crop of the young Democratic voters. There does seem to be a difference between them and the old dog Democrats, even if it is moderately.
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Jul 4, 2016 20:59
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empireofcrime posted:My impression is that the blue "left" uses identity and intersectionality to attack and discredit any attempts at progressive solutions for economic issues and give a thin veneer of progressivism by fighting on issues that won't disrupt corporate control. Also it's useful in putting certain people in high positions that will be just as lovely as their predecessors, but because they aren't straight white men they'll somehow be above the corrupting influence of power. To me, the blue left is classified as being highly loyal to the Democratic Party, pro-LGBT and racial equality, and subscribing to third wayism. I don't know what to call the new left. "Red left" would be a nice contrast, but they aren't really about that socialist life. "Next left" sounds stupid. "New left" is good, but taken. NumberLast posted:If you're going to call liberals the Blue Left call social democrats the Red Left Yeah that's what I thought off. But they aren't exactly socialist socialist if you know what I mean. Maybe "green left"? But that could be confused with the green party and environmentalism.
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Jul 5, 2016 01:30
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XyrlocShammypants posted:What new left are you even talking about? The small minority of sanders supporters that fancy themselves part of something unique and new? The younger, more radical, more economically focused left.
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Jul 5, 2016 01:55
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Oh Snapple! posted:You mean those people who, after years of being inundated with messages telling them that voting is pointless and that their involvement can accomplish nothing, don't vote? That is an unfortunate reality to the youth demographic. To be fair, it isn't like the blue left has the highest voting rate out there. To also be fair, it probably aren't those who are gun-ho about politics that don't vote. It's usually the "moderates".
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Jul 5, 2016 01:58
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Bip Roberts posted:Ah, the nonvoting left. As said before, the people who are gunho about these things vote. It's mostly those who don't care about politics but just merely lean one way or the other who stay away from the polls.
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Jul 5, 2016 02:00
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XyrlocShammypants posted:I would look more closely at quantitative and qualitative data on Sander's supporters. The idea that there is a new vanguard with strong ideological commitments to economic left leaning politics is not the reality. In short, there is no "new left" This is true to a point. They aren't as different from the old guard as most think.
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Jul 5, 2016 02:07
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Yea, I think the US is going in a "my team is great and gently caress your team" direction from now forward. Even if the two democratic candidates were virtually identical there would be greater divisions between supporters of each candidate than in the past, with perhaps one side still suggesting they are 'a new and fresh perspective for the left' I have mixed views on this. On one hand on paper there is very little difference between Hillary and Bernie. Their voting records are 93% similar and they both have a 100% rating from the NAACP. This makes the "Hillary is a neocon" and "Sanders hasn't shown that he'll do anything for people of color", ridiculous arguments. It isn't like this is new. In 2008, Obama and Hillary had a much more divisive primary, yet here we are eight years later with Hillary proudly running as a "third term Obama." On the other hand, the technical differences between Hillary and Bernie are major. We already see this with their differences between trade deals and foreign policy which have huge top down effects on everything else.
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Jul 5, 2016 08:47
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Error 404 posted:That 7% difference matters a lot as you point out here.
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Jul 5, 2016 09:13
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So he's part of that "sweat shops are necessary" crowd?
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Jul 6, 2016 19:16
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Didn't Africa say "gently caress you!" to sweat shops, and still has a growing economy? I believe parts of Latin America as well?
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Jul 6, 2016 19:25
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Ganthu posted:Maybe because by saving the endorsement for the convention, he was able to get something like this out of her? http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/us/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-education.html?_r=0 I thought the Sanders campaign had no effect in moving Hillary to the left? I've been lied to. 
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Jul 6, 2016 23:15
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I always assumed that each thread is populated with people of likeminded ideology. All of the left wing posters post in this thread, while center left posters post in another. If someone from either group cross threads, they will likely be uncomfortable as the entire thread will attack their opinion due to deviating from the norm.
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Jul 7, 2016 06:42
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It's very difficult these days to predict potential candidates 8 or even at times 4 years in the future. Plenty of rising stars fall while plenty of nobodies shoot up in popularity. Remember Julian Castro?
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Jul 7, 2016 15:46
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You guys should be nicer to Zen Death Robot. He is the only admin to actually tred these muddy waters and properly moderate. I doubt any of us could properly moderate this sub-forum.
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Jul 7, 2016 22:03
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Breadallelogram posted:ZDR is cool IMO Unlike certain other mods, he isn't biased. He slams down on fervent Bernie and Hillary supporters equally.
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Jul 7, 2016 22:24
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I can't tell who is a committed revolutionary, and who is just trolling.
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Jul 11, 2016 08:21
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So can we actually talk about...you know...progressive/left wing candidates running for office? I have money and I am willing to donate. Already donated to Tim Canova. I realize there is the OP listing some candidates but that is from back in spring.
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Jul 14, 2016 03:02
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As a minority myself, the conversation of race brought on by the left from all cavets is very amusing and at times eye rolling.
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Jul 14, 2016 03:41
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It seems that people are (purposely) misinterpreting each other's arguments.
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Jul 14, 2016 03:52
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Tatum Girlparts posted:can someone please explain what the step after 'embrace revolutionism' is? Like, not trying to be an rear end in a top hat but I've almost never heard what's supposed to happen after leftists all agree 'yes incrimental change is bad now, revolution or nothing'. If you want a serious answer, then it is to continue promoting and supporting candidates with left wing ideologies while spreading the general message. This is pretty much how left wing parties get power in democracy all over the world. The right wing in America did more or less the same thing.
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Jul 14, 2016 07:44
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Lol @ people who actually think "BernieBros" is a legitimate thing and that all Hillary supporters are gun-ho want to be progressives out to get Bernie.This is the reality. Few people give a poo poo. Only internet nerds.
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Jul 17, 2016 08:43
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albany academy posted:Isn't this the same publication that was screaming "berniebro!" the whole primary? Article is from a different author. Again, the only people at each other's throats with this poo poo are internet warriors.
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Jul 17, 2016 20:49
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Voting reform should be at the absolute forefront of progressive politics.
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Aug 1, 2016 21:11
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I'm in the "don't vote third party camp" until referendum's are enacted. But I agree that the "Nader cost Gore the election" argument is unbelievably stupid.
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Aug 3, 2016 00:50
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If Nader cost the Democrats the 2000 election, then why don't people say Perot cost H.W. Bush the 1992 election?
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Aug 3, 2016 04:56
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Zoran posted:Why would you want to think about possible failures in your campaign strategy when you can blame the electorate for not voting right instead? The establishment Democrats are truly a group stuck in a bubble. Constantly blaming voters instead of reaching out to them.
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Aug 3, 2016 16:40
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Everyone who doesn't vote for establishment Democratic candidates are racist. Whether it be republicans, Sanders supporters, Stein supporters, Johnson supporters, non-voters, independents, etc.
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ThndrShk2k posted:I hear Bernie's got a thing with being a whole thing or whatnot yanno and stuff Awesome website.
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