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open24hours posted:

In this age of rapid transport everyone is our neighbour. Better business relations will presumably happen anyway, there's too much money to be made for them not to. I'm all for teaching Asian languages in schools and organising cultural exchanges to support this though, it's the diplomatic side that I don't really get.

What does aligning ourselves with our Asian neighbours even mean? Trying to read up on it most of what's out there seems to be extended platitudes about how we need to be 'modern' (apparently aligning ourselves with China is modern?) or about how we need to be closer to Asia because it's the 'Asian Century'.

I don't think the diplomats get it either because Asia isn't some homogeneous group of nations who you can easily 'align' with. We need to cuddle up to the US for protection, but we can't do it too much or China will crack the sads because we do flybys of their illegal manmade islands. Not being assertive enough against China's territorial ambitions annoys the hell out of China's neighbors (look at the recent stuff from the Philippines) who feel threatened by China.

I think the biggest influence over how well we 'align' with Asia is how well we learn their culture etc so we are better positions to market stuff to those people. For example the wine industry recently bought out a list of flavour descriptors that Chinese drinkers can relate to better than western descriptors like 'apple' and 'pear'. It's got nothing to do with modernity, it's just that 'modern' has taken the place of 'e' at the start of everything in the 2000s for making it look like you're cutting edge.

The irony is that China is an economic house of cards and the closer we align to it the more Australian businesses will depend on it for revenue and the harder they'll get reamed when China eventually implodes.

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quote:

Company tax will be cut in Tuesday's budget to encourage new investment, Treasurer Scott Morrison says, but there's no indication that people earning less than $80,000 can expect any tax relief.

That's going to go down well I imagine

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Jumpingmanjim posted:

Everyone is missing the most important issue, how can we use these subs to stop the boats?

I thought it was pretty obvious

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Dude McAwesome posted:

jfc, he just bellowed CAAAAAAAAAARP over and over again in qt, how the gently caress is this clown an elected official

oh yeah, the nats

Barnaby being a fuckwit aside it's actually a pretty good plan. Releasing the virus itself is really cheap, most of that money will be for stopping the rivers from getting choked with dead carp.

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Is anonymous av guy still around? I'd love a CAAAARRRP! av
tia

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There is usually a lot of lovely and depressing news doing the rounds but this made me :unsmith:

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Police have questioned an elderly man who flouted new laws aimed at stopping protesters from harassing women outside abortion clinics.

The man was spoken to by two police officers after reports he was praying outside the Fertility Control Clinic in East Melbourne about 4pm.

Laws passed last year making it illegal to harass people within 150-metres of abortion providers came into effect on Monda

For the first time in 25 years, the group of anti-abortion protesters who have picketed the Wellington Parade abortion clinic six days a week were absent and women were able to enter the building without first being forced to run the gauntlet.

"Usually we have patients coming in who are crying, we may have partners who are angry, we might have children who are upset," clinical psychologist Susie Allanson said on Monday. "Today has been delightfully uneventful."

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EvilElmo posted:

Would you prefer the ALP to have the Greens asylum seeker policy and remain in opposition or for them to have the current policy with a chance of forming Government?

If the ALP had shown a shred of leadership on the issue we might not have to make the choice you're offering.

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EvilElmo posted:

Like when they got rid of Howard's measures then got slaughtered in the polls?

Changing legislation alone isn't leadership. Leadership is selling an idea to people and bringing them along with you.

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EvilElmo posted:

Interesting definition.

Why aren't the Greens showing leadership?

They are, people aren't listening though. Rudd had an opportunity when his approval rating was sky high to make a strong moral argument for it and people would've listened but he hosed it up and now any proposal to do anything gets drowned out by the shrieking from News Ltd.

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Jumpingmanjim posted:

Wow this episode of Four Corners just got wild.

What are they looking at?

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EvilElmo posted:

Abbott won in a huge way stopping the boats, ScoMo is very popular for that reason. Sorry, but asylum seeker policy is currently not being sold in marginal seats very well.


As soon as people started dying at sea, it was always going to be an uphill battle. It's a complex issue and simple answers are easier to sell.

"People dying at sea on boats?"
"Stop them getting on boats."

Rudd got rid of most of the pacific solution in 2008, events in 2010 stopped it from remaining.

The easiest one to sell is that if people want to risk their lives then it's on them. It might be even easier to set up an asylum application center in Indonesia and Malaysia but that never happened either. Instead we get the whole 'torturing people for their own good' poo poo.

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I didn't listen to the whole thing but it sounded like a pretty good speech. I still won't preference them ahead of the Greens because of the refugee stuff but maybe they'll end up ahead of some random independent.

Anidav posted:

But what about the slave labour bill

What about the slave labour!

Maybe he's keeping that powder dry until later in the campaign.

I thought the 'soft skills' training is actually a pretty good idea in theory, it's just the whole thing of making it compulsory or you get to starve on the street thing that makes it a poo poo policy. Farming it out to JSAs probably ensures it will fail at every step too. I've come across a number of people who have the skills and ability to be a decent employee but are pretty much at the bottom of the pecking order because they don't know poo poo about stuff like communication or how businesses actually work, and no one really teaches it if you don;t have the opportunity to learn on the job.

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Uh Mr Trump... you have a piece of potato caught between your teeth

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lmao
Murdoch must be desperate to try and prove he can still influence a political process somewhere after Trump destroyed Fox News' hold over the GOP.

Jokes on him because he might be unable to influence News Corp soon: http://www.theage.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/news-corp-faces-shareholder-revolt-after-2015-near-miss-20160505-gomt87.html

open24hours posted:

What do people think about parallel book imports?



I didn't really know much about it and assumed it was just a hangover from the protectionist days, but the people interviewed on LNL make a pretty compelling case for restricting it, and you can already order whatever from wherever if it's for your own use.

The current restrictions are apparently one reason why textbooks are so loving expensive. There is probably some sort of compromise that makes textbooks cheaper but retains protections for local authors and publishers.

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Tokamak posted:

A browser extension removed the post code entry form, so I selected NSW. The first question was about refugees. Then I went back and entered my postcode. Now the first question is about a federal corruption watchdog. lmao.

I live in a suburb full of old people and the first question is about euthanasia.

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open24hours posted:

A simple solution would be to order them from overseas individually rather than through the university bookshop.

I've tried this but they've had different editions and the end of chapter questions have been different to the ones bought in Australia.

If there's a good place to buy textbooks from overseas without that problem though I'd be interested to hear about it.

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open24hours posted:

Yeah I guess that relies on the publishers not intentionally making them different.

I was really fortunate at uni in that most of my books were cheap, and sometimes the lecturer would provide their own 'text book', which was just a bunch of papers bound into a book. I feel for people who have to buy multiple multi-hundred dollar books.

I wish I was that lucky. My bill this semester was north of 500 dollarydoos for four books. Probably going to be the same next semester too.

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Cartoon posted:


So coloured language aside: this woman expressed hatred for the very people who would mercilessly kill her for not agreeing with them. I'm not finding myself convinced that she's the bad person here.

Seriously?


Seems to be a bit of a trend in countries with high inequality. He's certainly going to make the already delicate situation in the South China Sea even more interesting.

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This seems like it could be significant:

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The Reserve Bank has expressed concern about negative gearing and the tax concession for capital gains, saying any change that discouraged negative gearing might be "a good thing" from a financial stability perspective.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...509-gopt4v.html

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turdbucket posted:

On the subject of Centrelink. I can't find any information but if I started a degree in 2010 but dropped out due to sad brains and now want to return to uni as a mature age student to get a degree which will supposedly help me move up a bit in my industry (lol) will I able able to get Austudy?

I can't find any info but I'm sure I was told years ago that because I didn't complete my first degree they won't give me any assistance other than Newstart? If there is anywhere better to ask this let me know but Centrelink never pick up the phone and I need to work out what the gently caress i can do.

Your best bet would be to persist with trying to get through to centerlink and explain the complexities of your situation to the trained monkey you speak to first and hope they transfer you to a Austudy specialist. In my experience if you get the right person they can help with unusual personal circumstances. Getting a medical certificate for your sad brains may help, but honestly I don't think it'll come to that. You only get Newstart if you are unemployed and not studying.

I think you can claim 4 years of undergrad study worth of Austudy, with a 5th if you need to finish some subjects. or 2 years of a masters degree with an extra semester for finishing any failed subjects (watch for the eligibility of the masters though, I got burnt thinking I would be eligible for a certain course). That would mean if you'd dropped out in 2nd year you should still be able to complete a 3 year degree with Austudy as long as you don't need an extra year.

When I was going through to process of applying a few years ago you could apply for one course at each level (i.e. undergrad, honours, grad dip, masters) every 10 years, and after that it reset so you could go back and do another undergrad. So even if Centerlink are arses right now, try and find out when you will be eligible to claim Austudy again because you might only have to wait a couple of years. Finally, if you passed your subjects in your first attempt you could use them to claim credit for prior learning and shorten your current degree if you need to reduce the time you are studying to ensure you get Austudy until you finish.

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turdbucket posted:

Thanks for the help everyone!

Yeah it does a bit, I'll give them a call this week when I can get two hours free to deal with their poo poo lol.

Also thanks gay picnic defence, I did speak to someone at the uni before I dropped out as I think they removed failed subjects due to sad brains so I might be able to use that to help me.

You should be able to get failed subjects removed from your transcript if you present a medical certificate but I don't think that will count for Centerlink purposes. Give it a go though because Centerlink do seem to have a bit of leeway to make exceptions if you talk to the right person.

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The lawyer for a taxi driver who sexually assaulted a young woman in his cab has told a court the attack would not have happened if the woman had sat in the back seat.

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tithin posted:

This seems a flawed argument that'll get loving torn apart by the prosecution.

The magistrate dismissed it but the driver still only got a suspended sentence.

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tithin posted:

loving

what

Judges are soft on crime? Apparently the cabbie is a refugee from Ethiopia who has a young family and is dealing with PTSD. Meanwhile the woman can't bring herself to use taxis or public transport, feels unsafe around men, suffers nightmares and panic attacks, and is on medication that stops her from working and studying.

I mean that is a lovely background for the cabbie to have come from but assault is assault and imo you should see at least some time behind bars if you commit it.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/no-prison-time-for-taxi-driver-omar-hassan-who-sexually-assaulted-passenger-20160511-gosnl5.html

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Firetrick posted:

While dollar milk has a lot to answer for, the recent problem has a lot more to do with Devondale milk powder failing in China. They sold about a quarter what they projected in the first 6 months of the financial year and are nowhere near the years forecast. The prime buying season in terms of online sales to China is October through February and the powder stockpile will grow while loads of unsold product expires.

A year ago Devondale was THE brand to have for Chinese buying Australian milk, so much that JD.com bought a big share in Murray Goulburn and has been encouraging them to overproduce. No distributor will touch it while MG flogs it off for 5.50/kg though. The Chinese consumer doesn't trust that kind of price drop and this will only further devalue the brand. Fonterra is being quite opportunistic with their drop which they backdated to beginning of season.

We might finally see the end of dollar milk as a result, otherwise there's going to be a lot of beef on the market soon

This was my take on it too. There have been some trade restrictions put in place in China that have slowed demand for dairy products, plus I think the grey imports have been curtailed a bit as well. With the Chinese economy slowing (probably by a lot more than the made-up numbers their government puts out suggest) any industry that bet the farm on China is probably up poo poo creek now or in the not too distant future.

But regardless of the cause of the price cuts, this is going to put a huge number of people out of business and gently caress over rural communities. At the very least there should be some sort of assistance package to help farmers adjust to a new crop or leave the land or something.

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Zenithe posted:

I still don't get what this means, other than whoever mentions it is almost exclusively a colossal shithead.

Ironic users are as always excused.

I think it is a term chosen by fuckheads for it's fairly strong negative connotation to refer to the changes in western culture and values towards a more progressive and inclusive society. They've realised you look like a bit of a tool in this day and age if you say 'racism is great or equal rights for women and minorities is a bad thing' so they dress it up a bit and call it cultural marxism.

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Frogmanv2 posted:

If anyone has the spare cash to spend on such a pathetic waste of oxygen, they should donate it to a good cause instead.



or the CAAARRRP av I wanted

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Jumpingmanjim posted:



JOBS AND GROWTH.

:sad:

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Recoome posted:

I wish I was surprised by the actions of the Herald Sun but we gotta discredit the poor people somehow

Especially this fucker. How dare he disrupt the trickle down narrative?

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:australia:

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Recoome posted:

Forgive me for my ignorance, and it could be because I'm poor/not an economist, but how exactly is the Coalition plan of trickle-down economics going to create Turnbull's vision of a Strong New Economy. Actually it looks like the same type of economy we've had for a while and all it's really done is widen the inequality gap so I'm not sure how this is going to help families.

It's not intended to improve the economy. It's designed to benefit the rich and any benefits that flow to anyone else is purely coincidental. It's easier to keep pumping rich peoples' veins with even more money and rely on News Corpse to convince the lumpenproletariat they've never had it so good or distract them with stuff like disabled people getting pensions.

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ScreamingLlama posted:

I don't want alcohol criminalized, I want to be able to keep alcoholics and problem drinkers from doing stupid poo poo that can kill people WITHOUT punishing people who are doing the right thing.

I dunno, maybe we'd be better off looking for the personal and societal root causes of substance abuse and like, doing something about those instead

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ScreamingLlama posted:

True, but that's only one part of the equation.

It's the answer to the equation you loving idiot.

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Jumpingmanjim posted:

There was one, but it was about striking down the ACT's provision. In answer to your question, there is no comparable feature in our Constitution that would protect such rights.

Which is why most of our religious institutions and socially conservative think tanks are opposed to Australia getting its own Bill of Rights; they think it will be used to get stuff like gay marriage legislated through the courts, instead of having to go through a political process which they are capable of influencing.

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http://www.theage.com.au/comment/blunt-instrument/crowds-bite-back-at-savage-response-to-duncan-storrars-simple-qa-question-20160516-gowmts

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The lives of the poor are hard. They are all too often short, nasty and complicated. For struggling truck driver turned national piñata, Duncan Storrar, this last, short week has been about as nasty and complicated as ordinary lives can be. Brutish, too. A short, nasty and brutish passage he will no doubt be happy to leave behind. Hopefully, he enjoys the money, just over sixty grand, from a Go Fund Me campaign set up by a sympathiser and generously supported by a couple of thousand punters.

I doubt he'd consider it a fair payday for the mess we have made of his already difficult life.

To recap. Storrar had fame thrust upon him when he embarrassed the Assistant Treasurer Kelly O'Dwyer on Q&A last week. He didn't so much then go on to embarrass Innes Willox, the Chief Executive of the Australian Industry Group, as Innes Willox decided to embarrass himself.

It was a brief exchange in which Storrar, without even trying, got the better of his betters by speaking a few simple truths about the realities of being poor, to which they responded with garbled nonsense (O'Dwyer) and lofty contempt (Willox).

What happened next was fascinating and awful. His 'critics' did not refute Storrar's main point that a rise in the tax free threshold can change the daily life of a poor person. Probably because it's irrefutable. Nor did they take up O'Dwyer's bungled defence of a tax cut for the rich over the poor - which might even be defensible if you're arguing from deep inside the closed loop of neo-liberal economics. Nope. They just pulled on the jackboots and kicked forty-seven flavours of poo poo out of an impoverished, uneducated man who'd done nothing more than ask a simple but surprisingly difficult question.

The savagery of the media assault on Duncan Storrar, almost entirely the work of the Murdoch press, was sickening to behold. It was, to quote from Jennifer Wilson (@noplaceforsheep on Twitter), a "depraved abuse of power". It elicited feelings of deep disgust from many who observed the attack. It was not unlike watching a crippled man set upon by a gang, his attackers huge with steroids and laughing like psychopaths, drunk with the heady liquor of their own violence.

They turned his family against him. They blew up his criminal record. They called him a thug, an egregious hypocrisy coming from these people.

Interestingly, however, as terrible as it must have been for anyone in that family, the destruction of Duncan Storrar did not go exactly to plan. Even as he was defamed, normal people, which is to say not billionaire media barons or lickspittles in the employ of billionaire media barons, continued to offer support and donate to the Go Fund Me campaign set up on his behalf. It really does bear repeating that Storrar never once asked for the money or the attention. People just started throwing tens of thousands of dollars at him via the internet because they were sympathetic or outraged or both.

He had dared to speak a simple truth – not even a particularly radical one. A couple of bucks means a helluva lot more to somebody without a buck to their name. For this, he had to be destroyed, and not simply refuted.

Why?

Because if you knock down an argument that threatens privilege and power, you always face the prospect of the argument being refined and returning to vex you. But if you utterly destroy the person who is bold or foolish enough to open their mouths and question you in the first place, you dramatically reduce the chances of anything like that happening again.

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Ler posted:

This ought to be a little bit good for the Greens who are a very close second place in the Batman electorate

gently caress me Labor are incompetent.

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ModernMajorGeneral posted:

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...517-goxhj1.html


Refugees are illiterate, but they would take your jobs anyway, and they would also be unemployed while taking your jobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toL1tXrLA1c

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*expands 457 visa scheme*

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