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Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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No one can be surprised that the country that drove a person to horrific self harm and refused him medical treatment out of malice is the same country that bills his family for repatriation of the body right?

# ¿ May 2, 2016 04:20

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 19:45

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Doctor Spaceman posted:

Hahaha, it's basically Sir Humphrey's view on the French, just with shittier writing and not satirical.

Except backed up with concrete examples of France doing exactly the thing the article is talking about?

# ¿ May 2, 2016 05:03

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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The whole war with China thing is blatant yellow perilism but the idea of not handing control over a strategic asset to a government owned company of a nation who has shown itself happy to throw muscle around by withholding contracted material is the least dumb thing he's ever written

# ¿ May 2, 2016 05:17

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Doctor Spaceman posted:

There's also the "what if we fight Muslims but French ~~terrorists~~ Muslims don't want us to" bit.

I'm not saying the French subs are a good idea (because ahahahaha jesus loving christ), but Bolt is out of his depth here.

I think my brain passed over the "what if radical Islam takes hold of the French government" bit on first pass out of self defence.

# ¿ May 2, 2016 05:32

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Dude McAwesome posted:

jfc, he just bellowed CAAAAAAAAAARP over and over again in qt, how the gently caress is this clown an elected official

oh yeah, the nats

I guess you could say he was

Carping on

# ¿ May 2, 2016 08:36

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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I like that fairfax considers public schools winners because they have retained $1.2bn of the $4.5bn they were originally going to receive.

Same as hospitals.

good jernalizm

# ¿ May 3, 2016 11:15

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Recoome posted:

Don't get too comfortable, I didn't think the ruled it out completely.

I perceived it as more of a delay

They also kept the 20% funding cut to universities which was originally packaged with fee deregulation, so now instead of the costs of that being passed onto students, it is passed into the aether

# ¿ May 3, 2016 11:19

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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The best bit is when businesses complain about how productivity has gone down now that they're employing a constantly rotating force of underpaid people who don't want to be there, and that they really need to wind back the inefficient bureaucracy of schemes like workcover and oh&s regulations

# ¿ May 3, 2016 14:29

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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if you're crying about the liberals stealing your policy maybe the problem is that you put forward a policy platform the liberals are okay with stealing

# ¿ May 3, 2016 21:56

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:

I would literally torture children for political gain.

Yeah but the other guys would torture them too so :shrug:

# ¿ May 4, 2016 23:50

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Negligent doesn't understand means vs medians, Amethyst doesn't understand household vs personal income, I don't understand why anyone bothers loving replying to any of them.

# ¿ May 5, 2016 05:59

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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maybe people who think it's rude to ask who they vote for should stop voting for things they're ashamed of :shrug:

# ¿ May 5, 2016 06:06

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Even with no regard to public opinion or political pressure, it's significant that the court has found that asylum seekers in Nauru are still under the duty of care of the immigration minister.

# ¿ May 6, 2016 12:32

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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thatbastardken posted:

there would need to have been some good outcomes for her to talk about

She helped out the kerosene industry

# ¿ May 6, 2016 23:57

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Gives a good target for arson

# ¿ May 7, 2016 08:50

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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How could you deface a poster any worse than putting Christopher pynes face on it?

# ¿ May 7, 2016 11:08

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Are there any other valid trigger bills for the DD other than the ABCC?

Important side-issue since they can pass any bills which were valid triggers in a joint sitting after the election.

# ¿ May 8, 2016 06:02

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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I too enjoy undeclared donations in kind to a political party on the first day of a campaign.

# ¿ May 9, 2016 00:11

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Does that make Shorten updog?

# ¿ May 9, 2016 00:49

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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lol if your lecturers didn't tell you to buy the book they wrote, and release a new edition every year

# ¿ May 9, 2016 08:37

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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hahahhaah apparently the DLP has split yet again? John Madigan splitting off to form the John Madigan Party

# ¿ May 10, 2016 00:20

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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You Am I posted:

I thought that happened a while ago. And wasn't the Motoring Enthusiast Party upset with Ricky Muir and was going to dis-endorse him? Looks like his popularity has changed their minds

Yeah I believe it happened a while ago but I haven't had reason to pay any attention to the DLP

# ¿ May 10, 2016 00:57

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Freudian Slip posted:

I wonder how Albo feels about being endorsed by the terrorgraph

Pretty happy considering he runs his own reds under the bed campaign against the greens

# ¿ May 10, 2016 21:23

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Birdstrike posted:

Greens under the sateen?

greens under the :pusheen:

# ¿ May 10, 2016 21:37

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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More Greens' lies and deceit. Not to be trusted with their born to rule ideology and power at any cost.

# ¿ May 11, 2016 04:18

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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quote:

Building group James Hardie, which left NSW taxpayers to pick up the bill last year for funding shortfalls to its asbestos victims, has found enough cash to start marketing and advertising its products in Australia after "going dark" for a decade amid the scandal.

Its Asia Pacific marketing head, George O'Neil, told Mumbrella that he is guiding the 127-year-old company back to public prominence via social media.

"We are not sitting there with hundreds of millions of dollars of media budget; we are lean," he told Mumbrella. It would also target the company at a younger demographic who would not so readily associate the company with its asbestos-tainted history.

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James Hardie will target social media.
James Hardie will target social media.
"The younger people are, the less there is that stronger emotion, unless they are directly affected by it," said Mr O'Neil.

A quick search of a couple big social media sites reveals a James Hardie offical twitter account run out of its American operation and a very similar Facebook page for America and another in New Zealand.

The scandal of its asbestos legacy was compounded in 2001 when the company moved its operation offshore and set up what it claimed was a fully funded victim compensation fund.

The fund ended up being short funded to the tune of $1.5 billion.

Last year James Hardie washed its hands of any responsibility for a shortfall in compensation payments to asbestos victims as it reported robust profit growth and rewarded shareholders with a $US98 million special dividend on top of its second-half dividend of $US120.3 million.

Just months before, Andrew Constance, who was then NSW Treasurer, agreed to increase the state's loan facility to the Asbestos Injuries Compensation Fund (AICF) by more than $100 million after a blowout in expensive mesothelioma claims threatened to leave the fund short of cash for future claims.

Mr O'Neil said that its market research provided surprising results about how popular its products are with the Australian public.

"We were surprised when we started doing focus groups, there is actually a huge amount of love out there for the brand and for the products we make," he said.

I can't see this backfiring at all.

# ¿ May 11, 2016 08:32

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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A centrepiece of Malcolm Turnbull's re-election platform, the budget's PaTH interns program, breaches current minimum wage standards and would require changes that would either blow out its cost or see it stalled in a hostile Senate, according to employment law experts commissioned by the ACTU.

Legal advice sought by the peak union body suggests the PaTH program, (Prepare, Trial, Hire) which proposes to pay under 25-year-old jobseekers a $200-a-fortnight top-up over and above the dole, would leave vulnerable interns languishing below the legally enforceable minimum wage and potentially able to sue for recovery of unpaid wages.

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Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's $840 million PaTH interns program is a centrepiece of his re-election platform.
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's $840 million PaTH interns program is a centrepiece of his re-election platform.Photo: Andrew Meares
Currently a single childless jobseeker on Newstart gets $263 a week, which would rise to just $364 a week despite 25 hours of work per week.

The $840 million program forms a central plank of the Turnbull government's jobs and growth package.It features generous $1000 incentive payments to employers in the intern phase and $10,000 employer payments in the hire phase, raising concerns of a perverse incentive for employers to churn through interns.

But if the legal advice is correct, the program is not legally sound in its current form and would necessitate changes to the Fair Work Act, or have its subsidies increased to meet minimum wage rates, adding hundreds of millions to its cost.

Illustration: Ron Tandberg
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While concerns of exploitation and systemic abuse have been raised by unions and the group Interns Australia, the advice from the firm Maurice Blackburn Cashman is the first authoritative argument that it is technically illegal.

The ACTU argues it "would require new legislation to legalise a second-class category of $4-per-hour workers and remove those employees' basic rights under the Fair Work Act".

It says fixing the problem to bring interns's pay up to the legal minimum would "blow out" the cost of the PaTH program by $478 million.

"The government's plan is either very badly designed and underfunded, or very well designed to exploit Australian workers and strip them of their legal rights and pay," said ACTU president Ged Kearney.

"Not since the 1990s has it been legal to pay workers as little as $4 per hour. This policy takes employment standards in this country back almost 30 years and has the potential to drag down wages and conditions for all workers � not just those in lower-paid jobs.

"For a government to change the law to allow big companies to pay workers $4 an hour, while stripping them of protections and entitlements under the Fair Work Act is one of the heaviest betrayals of Australian workers since WorkChoices."

Legal academic Andrew Stewart, who is Adelaide University's John Bray Professor of Law, said it appeared there were problems with the hasty design of the scheme.

"It certainly appears that important details had not been worked out because this was announced last Tuesday with some information but nothing about safeguards and nothing about the operation of the Fair Work Act; nothing about the relationship to the National Work Experience Program and since then what we've seen is a drip-feed of announcements by a combination of minister and department officials in Senate Estimates, which, to me, suggest that the government has been sorting out details on the run," he said.

Professor Stewart said the difficulties arose because of ambiguities in the legal status of the relationship between intern and the firm - with the added complication of other parties such as the government and the job service provider. He said unlike the National Work Experience Program, in which people participated in purely voluntary work without pay, the PaTH scheme appeared to create an employment contract.

And that brings with it minimum standards in wages, safeguards, and insurance. However, he said there was little supporting detail on these areas at the time of release.

Defending the scheme last week after its budget day unveiling, Mr Turnbull rounded on Labor and unions for standing in the way of a chance to "change a life" by exposing a young person who had never worked, to the experience needed to get a job.

"You take a young person who is unemployed, who is perhaps unemployable, and you make them employable you change a whole life ... the life of their partner, the life of their children," he said

Questioned on the aspects of the program, Department of Employment secretary Rernee Leon had said employers would be kicked out of the scheme if they abused it.

"If an employer is making a habit of churning people through subsidised placements we would stop referring to them," she stated.

# ¿ May 11, 2016 17:27

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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I too attempt to argue that the market isn't perfect with someone literally named open24hours Jesus loving Christ you dolts

# ¿ May 12, 2016 12:13

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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How is the biggest story out of that whole thing not the fact that someone named their kid Aztec Major

# ¿ May 12, 2016 15:43

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Huh, I saw sections of that before and I assumed it was a comments section somewhere, not an actual published article.

# ¿ May 13, 2016 01:21

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Jumpingmanjim posted:

my only question is who is left to sell us a piece of land big enough for a wall to put all these guys up against

# ¿ May 13, 2016 02:22

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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https://twitter.com/davimaree/status/729650872016207872

# ¿ May 13, 2016 03:14

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Halo14 posted:

yes but the greens are in bed with the liberals you see

# ¿ May 13, 2016 04:56

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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boom boom boom posted:

I just learned from the Naur thread that you guys are apparently running a literal concentration camp? Like right now, Australia is shipping people off to a hell island prison to die?

Within the last couple of days one of the detainees at our concentration camp had to have an emergency caesarian with panadol as the only pain pain relief.

# ¿ May 13, 2016 05:29

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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We recently made a man set himself on fire in front of UN inspectors, delayed his medical evacuation resulting in his death, and then charged his family for repatriation of his corpse

# ¿ May 13, 2016 05:37

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Good. gently caress drunk drivers.

# ¿ May 13, 2016 06:17

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6188-roy-morgan-image-of-professions-2015-201504280343

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		"Very high" or "High" ratings for Ethics and Honesty:��All Australians 14+ � ��*Not included in poll														
	Occupations	�01	'02	'03	�04	�05	�07	�08	�09	�10	�11	�12	�13	�14	�15	Dif
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5	Engineers	64	67	69	69	68	71	72	69	69	71	70	76	72	74	2
6	Dentists	65	67	71	71	67	69	70	69	68	76	75	74	74	71	-3
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28	Real Estate Agents	8	8	11	10	10	9	10	10	10	7	9	12	9	9	-
29	Advertising people	8	10	13	12	10	9	9	6	8	5	8	9	8	5	-3
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# ¿ May 13, 2016 07:25

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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It me, the democrats voter who wants licit drugs criminalised

# ¿ May 15, 2016 05:43

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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ScreamingLlama posted:

I don't want alcohol criminalized, I want to be able to keep alcoholics and problem drinkers from doing stupid poo poo that can kill people WITHOUT punishing people who are doing the right thing.

If there's one thing we've learnt it's that you can break people's addiction with the threat of jail time.

Bonus points for you apparently having never worked or met anyone who has worked hospitality/bottle-o in your life if you think a loving register of every prohibited person is even remotely enforceable.

# ¿ May 15, 2016 23:38

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 19:45

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Labor's workplace relations spokesman has repeatedly refused to guarantee that weekend penalty rates would not be cut under a Shorten government, despite the opposition making the issue a key part of its campaign strategy.

In a fiery interview on Melbourne radio station 3AW on Monday, host Neil Mitchell castigated Brendan O'Connor for saying voters should await the final decision of the independent industrial umpire.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten later also refused to guarantee penalty rates would not fall under Labor, while saying only his party could be trusted to protect the "penalty rates system".

The independent workplace relations tribunal, the Fair Work Commission, is assessing weekend penalty rates in the retail and hospitality industries, and a decision to reduce rates could be handed down shortly after the election campaign.

Labor's campaign advertisements state that, if elected, the party would "keep weekend penalty rates" but the party has also vowed to respect the independent of the commission.
3AW host Neil Mitchell.

3AW host Neil Mitchell.

Mr O'Connor said, if elected, Labor would "intervene" by making a submission to the Fair Work Commission in support of penalty rates.

"Labor is the party of penalty rates," he said.

"There is a fundamental principle of independence at stake here.

"Labor believes in the independence of the umpire; always have."

When asked by Mitchell if he could guarantee that weekend penalty rates would not be cut under a Labor government, Mr O'Connor said: "The umpire makes these decisions."

Mr O'Connor said it was not a "black and white issue" because, under some industrial deals, workers had traded away penalty rates for other conditions and not been left worse off.

Mitchell accused Mr O'Connor of trying to avoid his questions and offering voters a "pig in a poke" by saying he would await the final decision of the commission.

Mitchell grew exasperated when Mr O'Connor declined to say "yes" when asked seven times whether he supported Bill Shorten's past statements on the issue, backing the independence of the umpire.

"I support the principle of independence of the umpire [but] I believe the weight of our arguments will have a bearing on the outcome," Mr O'Connor said.

Speaking in Geelong, Mr Shorten said: "I can guarantee to the workers here and indeed workers across Australia, that only a Labor Government can be trusted to protect our penalty rates system ... The case to get rid of penalty rates simply doesn't stack up."

Mr Shorten said, by contrast, at least 50 Coalition MPs had backed reducing or abolishing penalty rates.

Industry spokesman Kim Carr said on Monday: "In all my experience with the Labor party our defence of penalty rates has been absolute, I expect it to continue that way."

ACTU President Ged Kearney told The Australian Financial Review she would "certainly like to see some more protections for penalty rates".

"What that would look like in legislation, or through the award system, is yet to be determined, but we would certainly like to see something that would go a bit further to protecting penalty rates than we have now," she said.

The Greens on Monday announced a policy to legislate to protect existing penalty rates and the Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) is pushing for stronger protections for weekend workers.

Mr O'Connor said enshrining penalty rates in legislation, as proposed by the Greens, would be "reckless".

"If you wanted to legislate the way the Greens are proposing you would open the door for the Liberals to have the mechanism to abolish penalty rates," he said.

# ¿ May 16, 2016 02:40

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