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Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Crazy digging for treasure in the desert Sisko best Sisko.

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Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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They make Janeway an admiral because she's way too dangerous to be anything but a bureaucrat, the end.

(Yeah, her fiancee moved on because everyone thought they were super dead.)

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Good Voyagers: the one where they wake up a race of cryogenically frozen Those Fuckers and a coalition of the willing nukes them from orbit, the one where they try to get back a Federation probe loaded with the plans to all the good poo poo and Ensign Ricky never gets to finish his ship in a bottle because he's super dead.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Wowbagger2004 posted:

Why on earth did they have special "competing in a race" uniforms

Because it's cool.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Tectonis posted:

Sorry but this is wrong. This is actually a terrible moralizing episode about why the Prime Directive is super duper important and the aliens are dumb as poo poo.

Sending the plans for reaction weapons to randos is a bad idea. The prime directive isn't all dumb all the time, it just really needs a bunch of EXCEPT WHENS at the bottom so you don't just watch from Ten Forward while a bunch of alien farmers get owned by an asteroid.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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The only movie to survive World War III was GATTACA.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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chaosbreather posted:

as i previously mentioned its spelled out repeatedly on the show that she knew at the start of the mission that she would strand both crews in the delta quadrant. voyager had a massively unstandard tricobalt device in her armoury designed to do that. why did she do that, and why was she promoted to admiral, ranking picard, when she returned?

because she came back with a computerised booty of culture no-one has ever seen before and even a computer program that makes new culture. she's the loving 24th century walter raleigh but instead of potato and tobacco she got a bunch of holoporn of a two year old ocampa loving a talaxian

Calm down Seven.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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The gold NX got put in a drawer to make room for the fish tank.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Why would a long range science vessel like Voyager not have an astrometrics lab by default? They spend 100% of their time in space. Accurate star maps are important.

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Mar 30, 2010

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Iron Crowned posted:

Well, yeah, basically Voyager started out with the base trim level. They weren't planning to show up in the Gamma Quadrant and have to go home from that far away, so they had the cassette deck of astrophysics labs, then put in one of those neat ones with GPS and satellite radio later.

It's cool that starfleet gave them that tricobalt thing, just in case they needed to blow up a moon on the way back from the neutral zone.

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Mar 30, 2010

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criscodisco posted:

Didn't Enterprise have a species where all the ships and space stations were made from hundreds of tiny dodecahedral one-man ships? I liked that idea but you just know if you lived and worked inside your tiny ship it would smell like White Castle in like a week.

I think it was a generational colony ship. Harry got yelled at for getting his dick wet without written permission.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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The best Voyager is the one with the planet where time goes fast and they start shooting missiles at the space assholes who have been giving them earthquakes for their entire recorded history.

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Mar 30, 2010

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criscodisco posted:

That would have been a great episode for any of the series to have under their belts, but they still Voyagered it up by having the holographic doctor get stranded on the planet for several decades, in which this holographic man marries and has children.

He got someone else to impregnate his wife, like in popular movie The Postman.

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Mar 30, 2010

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Cthulu Carl posted:

Then we can finally confirm the existence of the God Poster.

God dead, so what.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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RVWinkle posted:

To be fair, if you've seen her on any other show you know she really likes to ham it up. Kate has practically made a career out of overacting.

Which would be completely out of place in Star Trek.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Who are the badguys in the new movie? They original?

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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KLINGON

MATING

RITUAL

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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AugmentedVision posted:

I think it was all intertwined, the actor was supposedly a piece of poo poo and constantly late etc., he was supposed to be killed off instead of Kes, but who knows if he was that way all along or if he just stopped giving a poo poo after playing Harry Kim for long enougn.

I remember hearing something about his character being scheduled for die until some magazine declared him a Sexy Wang.

(That's actually a pretty good place to draw the line, given they're trying to change history.)

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Babylon 5 is still good. Honestly, the grafix aren't that bad. What really detracts from the space fight scenes is that they're all in SD when the rest of the show is widescreen. It's not noticeably worse than a Star Trek of comparable era and configuration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qexwPP7bl7M

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Hector Beerlioz posted:

But classic who is very good and new who is very bad

Actually they're both bad.

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Mar 30, 2010

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Squizzle posted:

B5 was ponderously loving slow, wasting a bunch of time to exposit or outright demonstrate garbage setting minutiae.

SPACE CAPTAIN TRON: "Does anyone know what happens when you open a space warp zone inside a space warp zone?"

CORNFIELD THE BONE ELF: *gropes crystals, appears peevish* "According to my instruments, sir, literally no one in the audience cares."

TRON: "Let's do it!!! In a like five minute long scene!!!!!"

* smash cut to Tron's elfwife, emoting Croatianly *

The Bonehead Maneuver was rad as hell.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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plushpuffin posted:

I watched Babylon 5 all the way through with my brother. During one scene in a commissary, Sheridan was eating breakfast and talking with Ivanova. He had a clear mug filled with some strange green liquid that looked like ecto-cooler kool-aid.

My brother lost interest in what they were talking about because he was wondering what the liquid could possibly be, and was jolted out of his reverie by Sheridan announcing "I'm going to get some more of (glances down at his mug) whatever the Hell this is."

Do you not chase your flarn with a mug of ecto cooler?

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Enjoy Seven's silver catsuit thing while you can, it was so tight she almost passed out a couple of times so they had to retire it.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Plexing is not real. Do not plex.

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Mar 30, 2010

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Automatic Slim posted:

This has been brought up before in this thread. Starfleet is made up of outliers of federation society. They can't take living in a civilized society. Only facing the horrors of the final frontier is can they live an meaningful life.

There was that episode with the guys who didn't want to do away missions being forced to go on an away mission. Science redshirt said he wanted to do research at Space College or whatever but they told him to do a stint with Starfleet to get some real world experience.

Starfleet is basically an unpaid internship.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Voyager being able to land is fine, but they've clearly got some unmentioned tech keeping it from toppling over.

Also, the nacelles wiggled because the old designs hosed up subspace. Later, they figured out how to not gently caress up subspace without the wiggle.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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The General posted:

That warp ruins subspace TNG episode is poo poo.

poo poo, but not poo poo enough to be expressly retconned like THRESHOLD.

Just ignored.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Neddy Seagoon posted:

You know, I swear one of those maps of the Star Trek galaxy shows the true scope of Janeway's incompetence; if she'd gone towards the Gamma Quadrant instead of Alpha, they'd reach the far end of the Bajoran wormhole much much sooner than 70 years.

Also the landing thing I at least remember as being a half-assed emergency the first time because they hosed the ship up bad and needed to set down fix it or something. The flexible nacelles always seemed dumb as hell though, because that kind of thing has to be a bitch to repair.

"We can't go to warp Captain, the loving left nacelle won't go up! Again!"

The wormhole got turned off multiple times, and to get to it they had to go through Dominion space.

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Mar 30, 2010

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Chomp8645 posted:

I remember some episode of Voyager where they have contact with somebody from the Alpha Quadrant and they mention the Dominion War in some fashion and the Voyager crew is all like "aroo?" but of course that's the end of it because god forbid you say something interesting or have the characters react emotionally to the fact that their brethren are locked in a life or death struggle and they can't help.

I mean, B'elenna did get pretty bummed out when they found out all their Maquis friends got murdered super hard.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Hector Beerlioz posted:

Did anyone ever go to the Beta Quadrant

Klingon homeworld is there.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Tectonis posted:

No poo poo your family isn't waiting at the great tree Neelix, they're stuck in the endless purgatory that is the metreon cascade. You watched them try to beam some writhing sucker out of it like 20 years later you dumb gently caress.

It's not that your religion is wrong. It's just that you, personally, have no one waiting for you in nanoprobe valhalla.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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So, when you rewatch Babylon 5, you skip season 1 and most of season 5.

What gets the same treatment when you rewatch DS9?

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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If by dark they mean on par with Dominion War DS9 that's great.

Edit: http://imgur.com/a/srDkM

Volcott fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Jul 19, 2016

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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No, they're all legit.

Learning Curve, one of the stupid Irish hologram episodes, the one where a giant alien tries to gently caress Voyager, the one where the Doctor goes to the Alpha Quadrant to cure his gay dad with nanoprobes.

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Mar 30, 2010

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Gorelab posted:

My only two problems with that episode is that Jake's actor was not at all convincing as his 1950s persona, and Benny's meltdown at the end was a bit overboard, but all and all I think it was up there with the Visitor or In the Pale Moonlight for DS9 episodes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lHgbbM9pu4

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Bookshop episode is unrealistic because it wasn't immediately eminent domained to make room for Delta City/Freedom Tower.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Jeri Ryan does a good Doctor. Maybe a little more feminine than Genuine Picardo, but still good.

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Mar 30, 2010

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AugmentedVision posted:

Agreed, Lovecraft wasn't that bad of a racist

Negro eggs.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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Did any Trek but Voyager do a "the main deflector is offline but we still need to get out of here so micrometeorites are gonna start punching giant loving holes in the ship because Issac Newton" scene?

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Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

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It's videogames, but Mass Effect 3 has a cool "SEND IN EVERYTHING" moment where you throw what's left of the fleets of a half dozen galactic powers at the giant cuttlefish occupying Earth.

https://youtu.be/tLlAObjR-gs?t=118

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