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FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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DaveWoo posted:

Yes, but wait until you see Trump's brilliant electoral strategy:

https://twitter.com/foxnews/status/736976526319587330

I didn't know Trump was into that whole six californias thing.

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FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Luigi Thirty posted:

Obama has finally figured out Republicans will reflexively oppose everything he says, 7 years and 6 months into his presidency, proposes increasing social security.

The outcome being that the GOP is now going to be railing against social security during an election year.

Classic Trollbama

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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zoux posted:

I mean, obviously it couldn't have happened this way because it was the Obama presidency that laid the ground for the Drumpf candidacy, but imagine if Hillary had won in 2008 and 2016 was Drumpf vs full-on Campaign Obama.

You'd have the first presidential candidate in 50 years letting an N-bomb slip in full (lovely Dick's "government nig" doesn't count) on nationally broadcast live television.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Gravel Gravy posted:

Don't forget Santorum

Who do you think lovely dick is

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Doomtalker posted:

zdr cleansed the ignore lists to annoy the Bernouts.

:laffo: most people would just be like "huh, must be a glitch or something reverting to an old backup" but I can imagine gangstalking-HAARP-chemtrail conspiracy theories being woven by the intended targets.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Luminous Obscurity posted:

“I have shared my personal experience of having taken my elementary school age daughters into a women’s restroom when shortly after three transgender black young adults over six feet with deep voices entered,” she writes. “My children were visibly frightened, concerned about their safety and left asking lots of questions for which I, like many parents, was ill-prepared to answer.”

Its uncanny.

"I, a person in a manager role with the ACLU, forgot to explain to my kids that sometimes people just get born with a soul that doesn't match their body parts and these days we have the technology and science to help these people's bodies live up to what their souls always were"

Oh wait Georgia

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Business Gorillas posted:

"Facists deserve to have their opinions ridiculed and ignored"

Granted, fascists are typically the oppressors and not the oppressed. Shades of gray and all that, but fascists should be ridiculed, ignored, shamed, and fought against with all means available and necessary.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Imagine Hillary giving one of these kinds of speeches every month from now until November just trashing whatever insane poo poo Trump did in the meantime.

The intervening weeks would have Bill, Obama, and Biden rotating events just clowning on Trump and the GOP in their own well-honed ways. Cable news, who are already making GBS threads on Trump because he's being an rear end in a top hat on a personal level to individual reporters, will inflate coverage and discussion of those speeches while exaggerating how long it takes for Trump to respond before panning another hotheaded twitter fart ending in "Sad!" All the while, news about the progress of Trump's fraud university lawsuit gets dripped into the news as it happens, with all the fanfare and cut graphics of a plane crash.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Epic High Five posted:

I doubt it's that the media suddenly grew a spine, it's probably more "oh hey, it turns out people will tune in to see Drumpf get brutally savaged as well and this is way easier, hmmmmmmm"

Having a bunch of people who write for a living be conspicuously pissed off at their focus doesn't hurt.

CNN has a list of the top burn lines from the speech. The top thirty-four of them: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/02/politics/hillary-clinton-attack-lines-donald-trump-foreign-policy/index.html

quote:

"He believes we can treat the U.S. economy like one of his casinos and default on our debts to the rest of the world, which would cause an economic catastrophe far worse than anything we experienced in 2008."

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FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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I love the subtle self-own implied in "who I wish I could call Lyin' Hillary"

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Freakazoid_ posted:

Some of Hillary's attacks are some low-tier permutations on the "u mad?" trap. She's going to need more than just dank memes to get my vote.

Good thing she spent 35 minutes on the "he's an America-hating lunatic who picked a fight with the god drat Pope" thing today.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Rhesus Pieces posted:

He's implying we're all partisan hypocrites because we aren't losing our minds over a Trump supporter getting egged but we did when Trump was openly encouraging political violence at his rallies a few months ago.

Partisanship: drawing a distinction between just acts and unjust acts.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Necc0 posted:

Picking Perez seems risky to me and Hillary is easily one of the most risk-averse calculators out there. I just don't see it :\

What are his risks?

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Zeroisanumber posted:

There's a risk that he might solidify the base but be too left-wing for middle America. There's a risk that a woman and a Latino on the ticket might alienate more voters than it brings in. There's a risk that big money donors will decamp for the GOP or simply sit this one out because they think that he's a sign that a Clinton Administration will be too hostile to them. I'm sure that I can think of other risks if I thought about it for a little while.

I like the guy and from what little I know about him he seems like a decent fit. But let's not pretend that we represent mainstream political thought or that we represent anything more than a small slice or the electorate. There are always other considerations.

Okay now stop comparing a Hillary-Perez ticket to something like a Romney-Ryan ticket and start facing the reality of who the GOP nominee is.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Necc0 posted:

Mostly that we've never seen him under intense media scrutiny and don't know if he can take the heat. Sure he plays well now but after three months of constant lovely attacks from the right can easily make most mortal men go a bit nuts. A presidential campaign is super high stress.

Isn't that a risk that applies to virtually every person on the VP shortlist, though? That sort of mitigates it since she has to choose someone.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Regular Nintendo posted:

Is there a summary of this anywhere

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/2/11843114/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-speech-transcript-foreign-policy

She lit him the gently caress up. CNN tried to pull a buzzfeed with "TOP SICK BURNS FROM CLINTON'S SPEECH" and it had thirty four quotes. I like to think CNN did that on purpose just to cram as many of those stabs in as possible but it's CNN and maybe they think that's how you make a list like buzzfeed does.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/02/politics/hillary-clinton-attack-lines-donald-trump-foreign-policy/index.html

Trump took to Twitter to try claiming it was all lies, which didn't work:

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/738745426879369216

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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The Reuters poll UI is pretty neat, you can filter it to only likely, registered voters:

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Pigbuster posted:

Someone did: https://twitter.com/DeepDrumpf

Most Neural Networks usually give out total nonsense. This one can be almost indistinguishable sometimes.

https://twitter.com/DeepDrumpf/status/728317897412579328

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Seven years closely watching the GOP turn into a party that would elect Trump and it turns out she was sharpening her loving daggers the whole time.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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https://twitter.com/AmyDentata/status/738924070268342272

The Audacity of These Motherfuckers Right Here would actually be a pretty awesome name for the memoirs of his terms in office.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Samurai Sanders posted:

In his defense its true message is couched in subtle metaphors, much like Full Metal Jacket actually being anti-war and American Psycho being an indictment of Wall Street.

On the other hand, Kipling was a raging imperialist even while grieving his son who died as cannon fodder at Loos because Kipling pulled some strings with the guy running the Irish Guards and got them to look the other way about his son's lovely eyesight.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:

Look at this post right here. Look at it.
Yes that evil Bernie. That woman hating white supremacist.

Populism in America means the average person starts to stand up against the economic butt loving that's been going on for 50 years now. Calling them communists doesn't work anymore since not enough people remember or give a poo poo about the soviet union, so I guess the new thing is to claim they are bigots. It's amazing. He's angry that the democrat establishment is catering to the business intrests that own the party instead of catering to the people, and you somehow managed to work white privilage into that.

Middle class white america finally starts to stand up to the 1% that's been loving everyone over, and instead of working together, the response of black activists and the self hating white crowd is to tell them to stop fighting, that they have no cause for complaint since they got hosed over the least. It's bizarre.

Wasn't the whole "I'm focusing on the economic situation, racism isn't a problem" thing what held the new deal coalition together until Kennedy and Johnson et al decided that being a host to a pack of frothing racists from dixie wasn't a viable choice for the party going forward?

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Mr Hootington posted:

I learned that when whites champion issues that affect them they SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN CRACKER rear end HONKEY! WHO SAID YOUR MODERATE WHITE PRIVILEGED rear end CAN TALK AGAIN?!?

When unarmed people of color stop getting loving murdered in broad daylight by cracker-rear end honkeys who never get tried because "they were just so black" is considered proof of self-defense.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Litany Unheard posted:

John Oliver just bought $15 million in medical debt (at a cost of $60,000) and forgave it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxUAntt1z2c

As much as I have problems with how some collection services behave, the rolling jubilee method of buying debt for pennies on the dollar from down-chain creditors and just poofing it into thin air is pretty awesome for the folks being relieved even if it's basically generating easy profit for places which tend to use rather questionable business practices.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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A Wheezy Steampunk posted:

How is it awesome for the folks being relieved? My understanding is that the reason the debt is so cheap is because "the folks'" credit score has already been trashed and the debt written off, so instead of the collection service getting the $0 they assumed and budgeted for, now they have a free $60,000 from John Oliver at no benefit to the debtors. It's not like John Oliver paying their debt is going to make their credit score go back up.

Mainly because the debtors have a letter saying it's been paid so if anyone on that chain of creditors says they owe it, there's a letter they can provide to the reporting agencies saying it isn't owed anymore. Yes, collection agencies will (likely through bad recordkeeping and the Byzantine mess that is the industry, but maybe in an attempt to spook someone into paying) re-report paid or expired debts and having incontrovertible proof of settlement is a weapon against that. I mean there's also the emotional relief when it turns out their appendix isn't haunting them anymore after a decade or whatever but the debt industry is a fairly lovely place on the balance of things and giving people a clear exit from that spectre is a good thing even if technically they didn't owe.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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yoctoontologist posted:

Eagleton voluntarily withdrew when McGovern asked him to. There's no way Drumpf would ever do that.

The Republican Party rules say:


The position has to be vacant before they can fill it. This only applies after the convention. (The Democratic rules are the same, except that they specify "death, resignation or disability" instead of "death, declination, or otherwise.")

If Trump drops out it'll be received by his crowd as him being strongarmed by "insiders." If he's drummed out, it's a dolch being stossed.

For years I've said the GOP is dealing with a growing conundrum in which they need to figure out how to keep the evangelical and business wings of the party voting for them when their respective platforms are beginning to diverge over social issues. I would have never in a million years imagined that the Palin wing would just explode out of control in the way it did. It's really something.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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gently caress You And Diebold posted:

Drumpf's campaign is so terrible it can only get better!!

I too am in Flensburg eagerly awaiting news of the recapture of Berlin :v:

Has anyone christened Trump's campaign the poo poo Talk Express yet?

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Bill giving "Arithmetic" level speeches.

Biden clowning on Trump like he did on Ryan.

Obama delivering the goods like the press correspondents' dinner.

Hillary relentlessly carpet bombing Trump like she did last week.

Michelle giving heart-felt speeches about how Trump isn't what America represents.

Priorities USA sending up Grace ads every month.

Hillary making ads with video of Trump saying poo poo, possibly with rebuttals from the GOP.

A nationwide DNC/DSCC/DCCC push to shackle these fuckers to Trump and take their seats.

All of this and more coming for the next 5 months as Trump flails around more and more wildly as he grows more exhausted and frayed. This might not even last to the debates.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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I wonder how tightly married folks are to their audit the fed stuff.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Barbe Rouge posted:

Thanks for the link.
It's frustrating how the guy actually did it for 10 months and then ran into a hurdle he couldn't jump over and still remained convinced that he was right.


Thanks. I checked the 270towin site, but didn't know where to set the +/- 5% settings.
Looking through wikipedia, that would be the biggest Dem win since LBJ. I don't know how the hell the Republicans managed to get those huge Nixon/Reagan wins, that kind of thing seems impossible today.

Nixon would be something similar to a situation in which the GOP gave the nomination to someone like Cruz or Jeb! at the convention. Democrats ended up nominating Hubert Humphrey in 1968 despite the popularity of a somewhat insurgent anti-war candidate named Eugene McCarthy, and the death of Bobby Kennedy. Humphrey hadn't campaigned in the primary but did some back channel poo poo with movers and shakers and managed to cobble together a delegate majority.

Reagan is a little different.

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FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Kristol is wrong, every time, but in a sort of clean way that you might call mathematically or fundamentally wrong. Morris is the kind of wrong that Thompson would have written pages about. Wrong on the math and the fundamentals but wrong in how he frames his assumptions and wrong in how he presents his wrong predictions. He's viscerally wrong, he looks wrong and sounds wrong. The only thing that isn't wrong about him is his kink but there's no right or wrong with that as long as it's consensual so it isn't really on the binary scale. He's wrong in every way one can intellectually be wrong.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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How fondly do Texans (at large, not just Dems) look upon Ann Richards?

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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BetterToRuleInHell posted:

I'm gonna be the voice for the average texan and say, who is Ann Richards?

That's your answer.

Ever hear the line about GHWB being born with a silver foot in his mouth?

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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PostNouveau posted:

There's some Drumpf surrogate on CNN claiming "Drumpf is really just pointing out racism" and it's the most baffling loving thing. If that's the convoluted way Drumpf is going to back out of this judge thing, he's in trouble.

The other 7 people on with him all sound like they want to puke.

no they all sound like they're going to leave his rear end bloodied and comatose in a dumpster behind the building at the next ad break.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Teddybear posted:

Jeffrey Lord is trending on Twitter now. He was getting ethered from all sides. Woof.

Yeah, nobody let him get away with any poo poo. He tried everything from "not what he actually meant" to "democrats are the real racists" to "political correctness culture means only white people can be racists" to a whole bunch of verbal sputtering.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Radish posted:

Don't forget he got into it before with calling the KKK a leftist organization. Guy is all bad and more trash from Reagan's administration.

He kind of reminds me of the gish gallop style of internet troll. Just going pell-mell through the full spectrum of bullshit reasons it isn't racism/it's not as racist, etc.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Bulgaroctonus posted:

Nope, she's still pretty much beloved by people old enough to remember. Even a lot of old school Republicans at least respect her, if not actually like her.

How about her daughter?

Cecile Richards is the president of PPFA, so I'm imagining Texans are a little less warm toward her.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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CelestialScribe posted:

"Drumpf will never pivot."

He pivoted at least as well as Marino did.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Yoshifan823 posted:

normal sounding speech

nah

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FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Lady singing the national anthem is, I think, Bobby McFerrin's daughter (He's the guy who sang/wrote Don't Worry, Be Happy)

e: Yeah she didn't handle the lower register very well but otherwise she had great pitch.

e2: Is this the Remember the Titans music they used in 2008? I loving loved that poo poo.

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