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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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marktheando posted:The Greens are good. The greens are good on the whole and p harvie is an objectively lovely bloke and great politician but there are some very strange people in the membership. I was briefly a member and I have good memories of one meeting where some poshboy student argued for just banning cars without any thought to the socioeconomic impact of that and also a very NIMBY old lady who was real mad about youngsters riding loud scooters along her street. It was kind of depressing, but I imagine most low level politicking is dumb like that. I joined labour after Corbyn won but never bothered going to the CLP because 1. I'm in a scotlab/SNP marginal and honestly I just can't bring myself to choose between two blairites, 2. I don't want to be that English lad doorknocking and attacking the snp in Glasgow because I'd get chinned lmao, 3. Just cba sue me
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the Greens have the same number of MSPs as the Scottish Socialist Party had at the height of its success and capitulate to the SNP on a regular basis so i've not got very high hopes for their ability to actually influence the government. like ThomasPaine i was also a member of the Greens who joined Labour when Corbyn became leader - i was already getting sceptical of their ability to do anything and am even more so now. generally i've got quite low opinions of Green parties as a concept. the one that's always pointed to as an amazing success, in Germany, is basically just a liberal party with a different coat of paint. cargohills fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Jun 21, 2019 |
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Jun 21, 2019 16:22
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Green parties are - with some notable exceptions - a bunch of well meaning ageing hippies with a few woke buzzfeed youths who all want a better world but are at heart liberals unable to identify the fundamental contradiction at the heart of the economic system.
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Jun 21, 2019 16:30
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I will always vote green because I can't vote for anyone else in good conscience. Good thing I live in one of the safest SNP constituencies, so they're the worst that can happen due to my vote splitting...
Chas McGill fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Jun 21, 2019 |
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Jun 21, 2019 16:37
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Patrick Harvie is really cool and good though.
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Jun 21, 2019 16:40
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marktheando posted:Patrick Harvie is really cool and good though. I went to some parliamentary meeting things with him and he seems like a good guy. I just can't get behind the Scottish Green's approach to Energy.
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Jun 21, 2019 16:50
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Aramoro posted:I went to some parliamentary meeting things with him and he seems like a good guy. I just can't get behind the Scottish Green's approach to Energy. That’s a big problem for me as well. Convincing most Green Party types that nuclear power is actually good seems pretty much impossible.
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Jun 21, 2019 17:18
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Going on a march today. Wonder how many crazy zoomers I'll meet?
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Oct 5, 2019 09:21
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Acaila posted:Going on a march today. Wonder how many crazy zoomers I'll meet? bit late in the year for marching season isn’t it?
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Oct 5, 2019 11:06
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It's these marches where the organisers break open the charity buckets at the end and divvy up the cash.
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Oct 5, 2019 12:30
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It's the last one of the season. Notes so far: - How do people have enough energy to go up Arthur's Seat pre March? - Someone is making a killing from repurposed unicorn balloons - Trying to make the world's largest saltire with no organisation is hilarious - Someone's got Boris is a pure fanny written on a big drum We went for brunch before heading down. Feels like the very definition of a champagne socialist! EDIT: In the time since I posted, we've made it the length of a van. It's now raining. Acaila fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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Oct 5, 2019 12:39
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https://twitter.com/HTScotPol/status/1183362061016981504?s=09 Does anybody know if this motion was passed?
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Oct 14, 2019 00:46
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https://twitter.com/theSNP/status/1183744276565581827 Yes, it was passed.
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Oct 14, 2019 15:05
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Oh cool, we still have a Scotpol thread! Just going to quote what I just said in the UKMT: Venomous posted:For all the Scotpol folks ITT:
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Oct 31, 2019 13:14
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cargohills posted:https://twitter.com/theSNP/status/1183744276565581827 Ah good some more jobs for the boys doing something aimless. West of Scotland language-centric of course. Billy Connoly was right, Scotland is the only country were people buy their own tourist tat.
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Oct 31, 2019 13:27
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Tom Leonard is spinning in his grave
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Oct 31, 2019 14:48
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Venomous posted:Oh cool, we still have a Scotpol thread! Just going to quote what I just said in the UKMT: I remain opposed to the British state, in spite of this tweet thread.
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Oct 31, 2019 22:44
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Alertrelic posted:I remain opposed to the British state, in spite of this tweet thread. You can be opposed to the British state, but the thing is that a Yes vote is a vote for something, not just against Britain, and what it's for is a neoliberal Scottish state.
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Nov 1, 2019 13:05
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cargohills posted:You can be opposed to the British state, but the thing is that a Yes vote is a vote for something, not just against Britain, and what it's for is a neoliberal Scottish state. As opposed to the neoliberal British state currently on the precipice of being a neo fascist British state.
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Nov 1, 2019 13:22
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mehall posted:As opposed to the neoliberal British state currently on the precipice of being a neo fascist British state. Or potentially a democratic socialist state.
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Nov 1, 2019 15:34
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Or potentially a democratic socialist state. I mean, there's not gonna be an IndyRef before that decision has been made.
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Nov 1, 2019 15:53
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Or potentially a democratic socialist state. Very very unlikely. Even if, against all odds, Corbyn wins a majority, most of his MPs will be against him. He currently can’t even get 20% of his MPs to support him to get rid of Tom Watson. He isn’t getting anything done. And even if Corbs does become PM and does good things there will be another Tory government in a few years wanting to undo his work and also do double Brexit or make not being white illegal or something.
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Nov 1, 2019 17:15
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mehall posted:I mean, there's not gonna be an IndyRef before that decision has been made. If that decision goes the wrong way there's not going to be an Indyref after it. And if it goes the right way, why would you want one?
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Nov 1, 2019 17:16
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Jedit posted:If that decision goes the wrong way there's not going to be an Indyref after it. And if it goes the right way, why would you want one? I'll grant Boris can do a lot of damage in a short time, but I can't see him being able to stop an IndyRef past the next holyrood election.
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Nov 1, 2019 17:25
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mehall posted:I'll grant Boris can do a lot of damage in a short time, but I can't see him being able to stop an IndyRef past the next holyrood election. is the snp going to pull a Catalan and run an illegal referendum? boris has shown absolutely nothing but contempt for precedent, the rule of law and for popular opinion so long as he can retain power- what will compel him to behave differently here?
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Nov 1, 2019 17:32
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mehall posted:I'll grant Boris can do a lot of damage in a short time, but I can't see him being able to stop an IndyRef past the next holyrood election. He can stop an Indyref with one word as long as he has a stable majority in Westminster.
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Nov 1, 2019 17:39
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upon reflection, I also feel like it’s going to be exponentially harder to get moderates in parliament to agree to try and referendum away insolvable problems. particularly those they can’t afford to lose. I’m personally of the opinion that if we have a second brexit vote it’s going to be totally silly to deny Scotland one, even if my opinions on nationalist movements haven’t changed. self determination is sarcosanct after all. but I can’t see anything but intransigence from a conservative government - I think if a second referendum gets called, it’s going to be under some kind of labour administration.
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Nov 2, 2019 05:37
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*to thread* You yes yet?
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Dec 13, 2019 09:43
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It's time we left the English to their own devices
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Dec 13, 2019 09:49
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so yeah, what happens now even a tory party leader who cared about decorum would probably hold off until a big Holyrood result before even allowing the thought of possibly allowing a referendum, and even then it seems unlikely. Do the SNP just keep trying to embarrass Boris on The World Stage and hope something gets to him? Do they do a Catalonia and try their own home-grown vote and get beaten up by the police? Seems like poo poo's hosed.
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Dec 13, 2019 10:28
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Angepain posted:so yeah, what happens now I don't think it's wise for Scotland to try to repeat Catalonia's mistake. A wildcat referendum supported only by words will just spell disaster, like you say. I don't know, abstentionism? I almost think SNP voters would support that at this point.
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Dec 13, 2019 10:44
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It feels horrible to essentially turn away from the rest of the UK over this, especially when there is clearly a huge (but split) left-leaning population who shouldn't be left to rot in Tory hell. But I don't see what the alternative is. The question is can they, and for how long can they conceivably block another Scottish referendum.
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Dec 13, 2019 10:56
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Whimsicalfuckery posted:It feels horrible to essentially turn away from the rest of the UK over this, especially when there is clearly a huge (but split) left-leaning population who shouldn't be left to rot in Tory hell. But I don't see what the alternative is. The question is can they, and for how long can they conceivably block another Scottish referendum. The issue Scotland is going to have is Boris has been elected as a One Nation Tory and he's going to say his massive majority gives him the mandate to maintain the UK as one nation.
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Dec 13, 2019 11:01
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yeah the Tory party just won on a "no more referendums" ticket. the only reason Cameron allowed the other was because he knew he'd win, Boris knows he'd lose.
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Dec 13, 2019 11:13
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Aramoro posted:The issue Scotland is going to have is Boris has been elected as a One Nation Tory and he's going to say his massive majority gives him the mandate to maintain the UK as one nation. Oh aye, One Nation Tory and that nation is England. I'm glad I gave the Union a last chance, would have preferred to not be hugely let down by it but there you go. Can't see me mustering up the enthusiasm for the Tartan Tories but give me another referendum and I'll vote for independence.
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Dec 13, 2019 11:20
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The next Scottish Parliament elections will decide on the SNP mandate. If they get another majority like in 2011 in a voting system designed to prevent it then there's a chance the bozza wozza giva reffa But very unlikely, on both counts
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Dec 13, 2019 12:20
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Angepain posted:so yeah, what happens now Why not just build a wall.
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Dec 13, 2019 14:31
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Nenonen posted:Why not just build a wall. Wouldn't work, Scots border policy is an unsolvable riddle until we can define exactly who is and is not a True Scotsman.
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I suspect that after we've left the EU an independence referendum underpinned by a desire to rejoin will be fatally flawed. There won't be a majority for it when the Remain* camp's major argument will be about eventually having to re-denominate everybody's pensions into Euros. Search your hearts, the Tory unionist argument will definitely be about that. If the SNP are on the ball they'll try to avoid this with a semi-close arrangment like Norway - but then obvious attack is why would somebody vote to leave the UK to gain powers only to immediately secede them to a one-sided supranational arrangement where we have no vote in the chambers of power. I'm not very hopeful for the next few years here in the driech. (*if there is an official section-30 referendum there's no loving chance the Tory government lets the SNP own the "Yes" slogan again)
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