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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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cargohills posted:I've heard quite good things about Chapman. Why is she unpopular? Most people are neutral about her as they've got no idea who she is or even that Patrick Harvie isn't the party leader. She may have accidentally (or not) lied about having a Phd which caused a bit of a ruckus especially when they tried to purge the people that were refusing to campaign for her because of it.
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Pissflaps posted:The only review of the new Blade Runner you need I get most of think but 'faur-i-the-buik' has defeated me. Like I don't know what accent it's supposed to be in, I don't know anyone who would pronounce it 'oreeginal' but also say 'thocht'
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Oct 12, 2017 12:34
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forkboy84 posted:You guys realise that Scots existed before 2014 right? I got given a book I've never read for a birthday about 15 years ago which is exactly that. Indeed, I've got several Scots Dictionaries of various flavours and read books and poems written in Scots for the best part of 20 years. I still have no idea what hes saying. I would be genuinely grateful if you could translate it.
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Oct 12, 2017 13:54
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'faur in the beuk' would be 'well read' as in Educated, so assuming that's what he means as Scots has no formalised spelling then then he's saying '..characters and what became of them and has come up with an ingenious and well thought out and well read script. So perhaps he means literally well read, as in the actors read the script well. Anyway, it just looks like he's typed something up and run it through a Scots translator, no effort to make it consistent or context aware. Though I've never heard him speak, maybe he speaks like an idiot as well. On the topic of a nationalised energy company I'm all for it, an actual progressive policy from the SNP. Just need to see how it gets implemented.
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Oct 12, 2017 15:21
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Cerv posted:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-42073261 Why when they can simply blame Westminster for it? The merger has been handled terribly start to finish and cost the lives of Scottish people, but hey probably Westminster's fault, they probably forced the SNP to push through their half baked idea.
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Nov 22, 2017 11:47
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Leggsy posted:The nitty-gritty. Doesn't look too bad, nothing earth shattering in there. Be interested to see what they intend to spend the money on.
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Dec 14, 2017 16:13
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Cat Mattress posted:So... ScotLab voted against leftist policies, and it's Corbyn's fault that ScotLab's support dwindles? That's the opposite of what they were saying though? Scotland has turned its back on Corbynism nothing to do with Corbyn himself. The fault lies with Scottish Labour who are an absolute loving shambles
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Jan 19, 2018 09:19
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forkboy84 posted:In fairness, Richard Leonard really has been awfully shite so far into his leadership. I realise the MSPs are almost all to the right of him but he's missing the mark hard and it's hugely depressing. Unpopular Opinion Time I feel this is down to the polarisation in politics which is best exemplified with the Tory-Lib Dem coalition at Westminster. The Lib Dems went in to the coalition looking to get something done, they were never going to get much. They were never going to get to abolish Tuition fees, at best they were going to get to put their hand under the boot pressing down on the necks of the poor. And you know, looking back they did achieve some things. But people hate this, they would rather have a principled loser than someone who can compromise. That's why the Lib Dems got wiped out at the next election and Tories returned a strong majority. This is not an unusual pattern in world politics in general, the compromising party gets annihilated at the next election and the ones they compromised with gets a majority. This trend has only grown recently, if you compromise you are weak. If Leonard compromises and tried to bring the sides of his party together he will get torn to shreds. Unfortunately for him if he doesn't bring his party together he will never actually win an election. Just another principled loser.
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Jan 19, 2018 17:16
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forkboy84 posted:I really can't agree that ScotLabs issue is an unwillingness to compromise on socialism. It's their seeming unwillingness to compromise enough to work together to provide a unified front, consistent message and strong policies. It's people within the party taking principled stands and effectively keeping the party divided.
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Jan 19, 2018 17:48
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Looks like the SNP have made a video with a subtle dig about David Torrance in it https://twitter.com/theSNP/status/954040730686812160 When I say subtle I mean like a brick through a window levels of subtly.
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Jan 19, 2018 17:57
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Lord of the Llamas posted:How on earth would it "help solve post-Brexit border problems" ??? We would be taken back into Europe for our own care and protection.
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Jan 22, 2018 19:46
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Niric posted:I'd be interested to know your source on this, since it's not something I ever heard about or came across when studying or hanging out with other 18th Century Literature postgrads and academics As far as ive seen so far Coohoolin is a big fan of revisionist history.
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Feb 1, 2018 21:40
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Coohoolin posted:Yeah thinking back it's not super substantial. My partner insists she'd been taught something similar in school but we can't find any sources. The classic Coohoolin 1) Post something as fact 2) Is challenged/told is wrong, 3) Cites 'sources he heard once/Uncle who works at Nintendo' 4) Never posts about it again.
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Feb 2, 2018 17:18
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The main problem for me in scotpol just now is the SNP are fiddling away making small changes. Increasing income tax is good. Though it seems all policies go through the filter of 'how can we make Westminster sound bad' rather than 'this is good'. Then you have Labour who are just a shambles plagued by infighting on several levels. And the tories who seem to just be a vehicle for Ruth Davidson. I don't think it's just us not talking about what's actually happening in Scotland. No one is.
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Feb 4, 2018 13:22
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The education policy is a great example. Free university tuition has failed as a policy because they can't fund it enough. It had one stated aim which was to decrease inequality in university acceptance. It has in reality widened the gap. It still gets touted as a great policy because look you have to pay tuition fees in England! Ignoring the fact the policy is falling Scottish people in Scotland right now. The lack of attention and oversight of this kind of thing is really damming of Scottish politics.
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Feb 4, 2018 13:48
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Its not really disingenuous when the stats are there saying exactly that. Fewer people from poor backgrounds are going to university in Scotland as opposed to England. I theory its a good idea, but its just not working. But its such a good headline that they don't need to do anything about it and any questioning of it gets turned into 'why do you hate poor people, sound like a tory to me!' its not a healthy discourse.
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Feb 4, 2018 14:46
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Coohoolin posted:You think allowing them to charge tuition fees is going to make them any more accessible at all? That's not the argument I'm making. The argument I'm making is that the government s going to do nothing because they've got thier headline policy and theres no real opposition to make them do anything. Phone posting so I'm going to reply here rather than multipost. If you think theres another cause for the widening in the gap of university places awarded to people from poorer backgrounds then im genuinely curious to see it. That's the point of a debate, don't just say 'you're wrong' show me why. Although it doesn't really change my central point that Holyrood seem to be uninterested in doing anything about it.
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Feb 4, 2018 15:08
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mehall posted:I highlighted two potential causes in my first reply to you. You're confusing opinion with evidence? I don't think you get to say I'm confusing correlation with causation and then just do exactly the same. Places in Scottish universities are cappef because of the tuition policy. Fewer and fewer of those places are going to poor students year on year. What do we get to resolve that? The attainment challenge? A really anemic solution. Aramoro fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Feb 4, 2018 |
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Feb 4, 2018 15:34
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mehall posted:I recognise my potential other causes as being my opinion. Yes again I'm not saying we should be charging tuition fees. What im saying is our overall education policy is not working, but Holyrood will do nothing about it whilst they can crow about free tuition. The capping of university places does seem to have had a negative effect. Kids from poorer backgrounds tend to have poorer results. So with the limited places you're cutting those people out of the university system. This is a problem in England as well, and theyre looking at skewing entry requirements to allow people with worse results in. Thats not an option for us because we simply have fewer places.
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Feb 4, 2018 15:50
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mehall posted:So the issue isn't capped places, or issues with university, but instead the funding and curriculum of our childrens education. I would disagree to some extent. Free tuition meant we capped university places. That rather directly meant that those from poorer backgrounds, who were getting the slightly poorer results, were excluded from going to university. But then they did nothing to close the attainment gap at high school. So in that sense the free tuition policy did directly cause the increase in the gap by being unsupported in its implementation. In reality that gap at high school is always going to be there as well. We need systems in place to allow those kids to get university places, the easy stop gap is simply fund more places.
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Feb 4, 2018 16:17
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Cat Mattress posted:Yep, tuition is the only possible explanation. Let's campaign for setting tuition cost to one billion quid, that is sure to turn all the British lower class into Oxbridge graduates within the year. Oh look another smug oval office who wants to score some points countering an argument I never made. This is why we should close scotpol because it populated by idiots. Its actually a perfect example of the toxic discourse is Scottish politics, question a policy of our glorious leaders? Not on our watch! Aramoro fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Feb 4, 2018 |
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Feb 4, 2018 16:28
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Coohoolin posted:What's actually toxic is the tribalism at play- start with disliking something the SNP do because it's the SNP, and work backwards from there. Free tuition? Must be bad, it's an SNP policy after all. Free tuition was a poor policy because it wasn't properly supported. Something can be good in isolation but still not work in practice which is what we're seeing here. Its not about being partisan really. The attainment gap in education is widening in comparison to England. That is something everyone should be concerned about. If we agree that sending more people to university is a good thing, although that's not a given, then we nees to see why we're failing and what we can do about it. The capped University places which came out of the tuition policy is one of the problems. But lets not throw the baby out here, how do we solve it? But like i said before, suggest that perhaps the policy had not worked as intended and you get a parade of wonks rolling out 'lets make tuition a billion pounds lol!'
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Feb 4, 2018 17:02
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Angepain posted:By assuming that the only reason people disagree with you on this issue is that they're blind followers of a political party that supports them you're kinda contributing to the partisan toxicity of scottish politics discourse yourself, here. Except thats not what happened there. That was someone delivering a sick burn about something i never said to defend the policy.
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Feb 4, 2018 17:07
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Coohoolin posted:You started by saying it was free tuition that was the problem. Presumably because of the SNP. Ok ill go through it slower for you. The policy did not have the intended affect, whilst well intentioned it was unsupported. Nothing to do with the SNP there. Now where it does become about the SNP is they are do nothing about it. Which they should be because you know, theyre the government. quote:
Some more famous Coohoolin sources. And you know in fairness some of them might work. Which goes back to my central point, whoes going to do them? The government doesn't seem to be and theres no real opposition right now. We can have all the brilliant ideas we like, we need politicians to implement them.
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Feb 4, 2018 17:20
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Angepain posted:it was the "glorious leaders" bit I was mainly finding fault with. I'll give you that I was unclear at the start. I have to confess i didn't intend to start a debate about this topic, but rather the lack of a coherent opposition in Scotland.
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Feb 4, 2018 17:27
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Coohoolin posted:You don't need to take my word for it. Student union reps and campaigners freely publish their proposals and campaign aims, and the procedural motions put forward at every SU AGM are readily available. Seems like something you might have been researching if you care so much about the problems facing education in Scotland, rather than just "the government is doing something bad". Sorry, when did we devolve education policy to Student Unions? I must have missed that, big if true.
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Feb 4, 2018 17:50
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Coohoolin posted:No, but that's where students who've decided to dedicate their day to day lives to improve education in Scotland put forward their ideas, and where you might look for potential solutions. Im not in charge of implementing education policy either? Wait am i? Maybe that explains a lot.
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Feb 4, 2018 18:01
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Niric posted:From the UKMT, but seemed more appropriate here (although possibly not if we're going to merge the threads): Lol, that is pretty amazing. I've changed my mind, keep the thread open so Coohoolin can drop some more knowledge bombs on us about Scottish history and culture. forkboy84 posted:At this point uni tuition should probably be free and supported by a graduate tax in order to ensure there are enough places and staff and all that to meet demand. It's slightly blunt but increasing the higher rate tax bands has broadly the same effect. I just finished paying off my student loan last year (I graduated in 2003) and to be honest if that wasn't a student loan but just a straight 5% tax hike that'd be ok. That would give us a decent chuck of money, remove the cap on places or at least scale it to the number of overseas students, and make universities skew entrance requirements based on the applicants relative poverty. Not sure it would work but that's my idea at least.
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Feb 5, 2018 10:07
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mehall posted:The poorest backgrounds aren't applying anymore. It's a bit of both! The entrance requirements have become higher because there are fewer places, so people are not applying because they do not have the required grades. Combine that with the general living costs in our University cites, driven up by demand overseas students in many cases, and you get into the situation we have. We will see if the government does anything about it other than being concerned and thinking about the more work to do.
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Feb 5, 2018 11:58
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mehall posted:So you're saying there is too high demand from overseas students.... the ones who pay.... but think charging our kids will help? I'm pretty sure I've said this half a dozen times already, sometimes to you directly. I'm not suggesting removing free tuition, can we just put that particular strawman to bed right now? I'm suggesting a 5% tax rise, eased entrance requirements for some and a removal of the places cap.
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Feb 5, 2018 12:56
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Niric posted:Interesting story in the guardian today, although I think the important aspects are being underplayed here. While I'm not mad keen on the idea of deals with the USAF and Trump Turnberry (and agree there's an element of hypocrisy going on), far worse is the massive and continuing losses incurred. Government incompetence is sadly par for the course for Governments of all stripes, I mean we did build a Parliament for only 1000% over budget and no one went to jail for that. The narrative that the SNP are competent does need to be challenged, but then that would require an opposition that was competent as well. Like not taking any interest in what the airport is doing but continuing to subsidise it does seem negligent really though.
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Feb 7, 2018 18:35
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Niric posted:Bit of good news: Hundreds of rough sleepers in Scotland to be offered homes. I've no idea how the Social Bite charity managed to get such a big profile, but they do great work, and housing first seems like an excellent idea. Purely anecdotally I've noticed a big jump in rough sleepers in glasgow and Edinburgh the last couple of years, and it can't just be coincidence that it maps to both the cuts to benefits (and roll out of UC) and huge cuts to council budgets that directly impact support services If you want a bit of background on Social Bite I can help a little, I've met Josh Littlejohn and my wife has worked with them. Basically Josh Littlejohn has a millionaire father, dicked around a bit, setting up the Scottish Business Awards and making the connection with Tom Hunter. Josh became a bit obsessed with Muhammad Yunus, the guy who developed micro-lending. After he brought him to Scotland to talk Josh and his girlfriend Alice sold everything including their house to put everything into Social Bite. The profile comes from the fact that Josh knows Tom Hunter, who was already working with Bill Clinton, George Clooney, Leonardo DiCaprio etc which is why you've seem them in and around Social Bite shops. He's passionate and committed and a great salesman so he can get people on board, and he's got the connections which means he gets to meet people to get them on board. His salary is capped at 7 times his lowest paid employee as well which is a good model for any business.
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Feb 21, 2018 11:40
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Angepain posted:That twitter account is locked now, what did it say? It was folk moaning that Whole Foods in Giffnock was becoming a Lidl not and M&S as they had hoped. https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/bring-cheap-juice-slovakia-giffnock-14549060 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/2525691/giffnock-angry-lidl-wholefoods-vermin-degenerates/ quote:"Stores like this attract the degenerates of society. I understand that they need to shop somewhere however you didn't see benefit cheats, single mothers and their feral brood flock to Whole Foods." chamring.
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Apr 19, 2018 17:33
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UC is one of those ideas which is theoretically great, but the implementation and surrounding issues have made it totally toxic. Its a bit like the Poll Tax in that respect, idea is not that terrible at its core, its the implementation.
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Apr 26, 2018 17:59
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HappyCamperGL posted:Poll tax is absolutely terrible at its core though. It was far better than the system it was replacing. Granted that's not saying much. Aramoro fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Apr 26, 2018 |
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Apr 26, 2018 19:31
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Spangly A posted:UC was conceived and intended to be a punitive measure against the poor and a way to attack untouchable protected benefits like disability, it was not in any way a good idea, or better than the previous system A less confusing a simplified benefits system where people just get a unified payment instead of having to make 6 different claims for the same thing. The implementation is punitive and intended to force people out of the system whether they are able to or not. The previous system was incredibly bad, the lack of joined up resources making it hard for people to access all the benefits they were entitled to. Unifying the 6 major benefits into one is a good idea.
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Apr 26, 2018 21:21
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forkboy84 posted:I spoke to someone who said a bottle of Frosty Jack was over £10 so I guess under age drinkers are impacted the most. As expected respectable middle class alcoholics are unaffected, just the undesirables who will be hit by this.
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May 1, 2018 13:33
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It just means our alkies will be doing bottle of vodka instead of frosties. Chronic alcoholics won't stop drinking because it costs more now. Will it stop people becoming alkies now? Not so sure, maybe just more hipster alkies now that a can of super costs more than a bottle of craft beer.
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May 1, 2018 16:55
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Cerv posted:there's quite a lot of medical research saying 'yes' though The last BMJ article I saw on it said 'probably', that was study based on 33 other studies into the topic. The first country to implement it in Europe was Russia but they've put down the reduction in drinking down to change in demographics rather than directly tied to minimum pricing. Whilst deaths from drinking moonshine/sanitizers have risen.
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May 2, 2018 15:06
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forkboy84 posted:I thought we were the first country in the world to introduce this? Canada (In from provinces), Russia, Belerus, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova and Ukraine all have minimum pricing. I think we're the first to have minimum pricing per unit, rather than a flat minimum price. In Ukraine a half bottle of vodka is a minimum of UAH 69.78, but that's not based on units that just the price of it. Same for Russia the floor price for a half bottle of vodka is 215 roubles etc. So it's pricing per litre. Kyrgyzstan's seems to be variable based on their CPI so that alcohol always costs the same relative to the wealth in the country, but only applies to locally made drinks or something. Aramoro fucked around with this message at 15:28 on May 2, 2018 |
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May 2, 2018 15:25
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