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Arglebargle III posted:"Front line heavy cruiser" means nothing in any historical context. These website guys are totally making things up. I believe the Ambassador class is referred to as a heavy cruiser in Conspiracy.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:That IS worrying. Well, he was the story editor and a producer on Voyager's final four seasons...
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I'd be more interested if it didn't have Alex loving Kurtzman as a writer and producer.
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thexerox123 posted:He co-created Fringe, too, and that show was great. Counter-point: He co-wrote loving Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen.
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Cardassia Prime was very nearly eradicated by orbital bombardment.
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Tighclops posted:The last time I remember being really impressed by a space station like Yorktown was actually the Spacedock from Star Trek 3 Ugh, I hate that giant space mushroom (much like I hate almost all of ILM's Trek designs).
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Drone posted:Sorry you hate all things Cool and Good. Are you a big Ent-E fan or something? No, I want John Eaves to die in a fire. But ILM's Trek movie designs in general are terrible. Case in point: Nilo Rodis designed the Bird of Prey when the script called for the Romulans to be trying to get Genesis. Then it changed to Klingons. Did he alter the design, considering the Klingons never had any sort of avian imagery associated with them?  Nah.And, really, it's because Nimoy didn't give a poo poo about the look of the movie. He and Bennett literally had one pre-production meeting with ILM (primarily to discuss blowing up the Enterprise), and then they said, "OK, go do your thing." Big Mean Jerk posted:I don't mind it, but it doesn't make much sense. What happens when you build a ship wider than the doors? Suddenly your huge gently caress-off spacedock isn't compatible with the newest ships. The idiocy of the design is illustrated in the very next movie after it's introduced, when a giant space burrito shuts down Spacedock and seemingly most of Starfleet with some space dubstep. Timby fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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FilthyImp posted:I've heard a lot about Nimoy sucking as a director and causing a lot of stress with production staff. Any good stories about that? Well, Nimoy's flaws as a director are primarily in that he has no real sense of moving the camera, and his only real compositions are close-ups and two-shots. Beyond that, he didn't have much of a leash on Shatner and basically let him do his own thing. My other knock on him is that he just didn't care about the art and production design. Sure, ILM worked on Star Trek II, but it was under the art direction of Joe Jennings and Michael Minor, who were reporting to Bob Sallin. Nimoy and Bennett just decided to defer to ILM's design department, which is how we got monstrosities like Spacedock and the nonsensical Oberth class. Behind the scenes, he didn't have much of an issue with anyone on The Search for Spock (he would just get hammer-drunk during shooting breaks), but he and Harve Bennett clashed regularly on the set of The Voyage Home; Nimoy basically felt that after the success of III, he now had the clout to say, "No, gently caress you, Harve, we're doing it my way" -- which is why, for example, Leonard Rosenman was hired to write the score, as he was one of Nimoy's close friends. He basically verbally abused the poo poo out of Bennett throughout the shoot and in post-production, which is why Bennett took a ton of convincing to come back for The Final Frontier, as he was nervous about working with a first-time director again and didn't want a repeat of his experiences with Nimoy. Of course, he later said in an interview that he quickly realized that "Bill was easy to con," which made him feel more at ease about doing the movie. Edit: Nimoy and Meyer also clashed frequently during the making of The Undiscovered Country. Timby fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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egon_beeblebrox posted:If not, can you expand on Nimoy and Meyer fighting? For background, Meyer and Nimoy hashed out the story at Meyer's beach house; Nimoy opened by asking Meyer, "How would you like to tell a story about the Wall coming down in space?" That sold Meyer, and they walked up and down the beach all day just breaking down the story beat-by-beat. They then went their separate ways, with Meyer intending to write the script with Denny Martin Flinn, his longtime friend who was dying of cancer. However, there was a massive power struggle going on at Paramount. Frank Mancuso, Paramount's president, had reached out to Nimoy to spearhead the movie after Gulf + Western chief Martin Davis raised the mother of all fits over Harve Bennett's plan to do the Starfleet Academy movie for the 25th anniversary. However, there were a couple of other Paramount executives -- Sid Ganis, who was the head of the movie studio, and his lieutenant, Teddy Zee -- who were actively campaigning to get Mancuso replaced, and so they brought out Lawrence Konner and Mark Rosenthal, the writers of noted cinematic classic Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, telling Nimoy and Meyer that they had this exciting young writing team and they would just love it if they would meet with them. Nimoy wanted no part of it because he immediately smelled studio politics, and Meyer was reticent because it was already starting to reek of what happened on Star Trek IV (he and Bennett lost WGA arbitration on IV and had to share script credit with Steve Meerson and Peter Krikes, the guys who wrote the Eddie Murphy draft that was tossed), but he decided he would meet with these two bobos as a courtesy. Here's where things started to get ugly. In their meeting, Meyer brought the entire, detailed outline that he and Nimoy had created that day on the beach, as well as some early script pages, and basically handed everything over to them. They came back a few weeks later and had literally plagiarized the entire thing (just changing the words, basically) and put their names on it. Though they were fired shortly thereafter, Nimoy was furious, later saying "I wanted to kill the son of a bitch (Meyer)," and it only got worse during post-production when he lost WGA arbitration and the credits were going to read "Story by Konner and Rosenthal, script by Meyer and Flinn." Nimoy hit the roof, called his lawyer and said that if it weren't resolved over the course of the weekend, he was personally going to sue the WGA, Paramount, Konner, Rosenthal and Meyer. At the eleventh hour they finally agreed on "Story by Nimoy, Konner and Rosenthal, script by Meyer and Flinn." There were also some arguments during filming. Nimoy was one of the people uncomfortable with some of the racially charged tones of the script (not to the extent that Nichols and Brock Peters were, but he was still bothered by it), and he fought tooth and nail against the mind-rape scene, which wasn't in the shooting script -- as written, after Valeris reveals the conspirators, Kirk asks where the peace conference is, there's a two-second beat and Spock calmly says she doesn't know and that they should contact Excelsior. Nimoy felt that there was no way Spock would violate his principles like that, but Meyer overruled him. Lots of little fights like that added up and much like how The Voyage Home wrecked Nimoy's relationship with Bennett, Undiscovered Country almost totally destroyed his friendship with Meyer. Wowbagger2004 posted:They didn't want to kill fan films because of Axanar silliness - it's because fan films could easily look better than this cheap rubbish. Axanar was actively profiting from selling Trek-branded merchandise and its producers were constantly going on social media proclaiming themselves to be the true heirs to the throne of Star Trek and that they would show that usurper JJ Abrams what's what. That's why CBS and Paramount sued the poo poo out of them: A first-year law student could explain how that's textbook tortious interference. And they're still letting Continues finish up its production run; the new guidelines very clearly say that they reserve the right to apply "selective enforcement" of the rules (translation: Talk to us first, and don't be a dick like the Axanar jackwagons, and we might look the other way). Timby fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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Why cookie Rocket posted:Ok enough foreplay let's loving do this you motherfuckers. BEST MCCOY JOKE EVER, GO GO GO GO!!!!! "Jim, you don't ask the Almighty for his ID!"
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WickedHate posted:So Gene's Federation future is meant to convince us that peace and love and socialism rock, but the existence of the Ferengi being a power with roughly equivalent tech evidently means that unrestrained capitalism works just fine too. Gene never believed any of the poo poo he spewed; his brain was completely addled by LSD, cocaine and alcohol by the end of the '70s. He cared about making money and getting laid.
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Bryan Fuller suggested in an interview with AICN that Discovery is set pre-TOS.
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Gonz posted:The new show starts in 5 months, and Fuller & Co. haven't mentioned the new cast, or definitively when the show is set. There's a panel scheduled for the show at the Television Critics Association tour next Wednesday, and I have to presume that by that point they'll make some more definitive announcements. In any event, given that this feels like a half-hearted attempt at getting people to sign up for the (incredibly lovely) All Access service, I can't believe it's being done on anything more than a shoestring budget. And considering how quiet they've been about Nick Meyer's involvement for a while, it wouldn't shock me if he's already quietly dropped out.
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skasion posted:Which is why Quinto still plays Spock like a manchild despite being older than Nimoy was when he played the character for the first time. To be honest, I think it's more that Quinto doesn't have much range as an actor. He was basically cast as Spock because the Internet created an uproar over how much of a resemblance he bore to young Nimoy. He doesn't have much capacity for subtlety and a lot of his inflection is closer to Tim Russ' Tuvok than anything else. Spock in the turbolift near the beginning of The Final Frontier, taking a whiff, pausing, then saying, "... yes," after Kirk says he could use a shower, is such a wonderfully underplayed bit and Quinto couldn't hit something like that, it's just not in his wheelhouse. I'm really interested to see how he's going to play Glenn Greenwald in Snowden, and by "interested" I mean "can't wait to see how goofy it is."
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Tighclops posted:I wouldn't go so far as to speculate on people dropping out of the project already, but it's pretty jarring how the lack of info, the time crunch and that lovely trailer derailed what hype there was for it. My primary basis behind the idea of Meyer potentially dropping out is that if you're going to please the nerds, you bring out the guy who made some of the most beloved movies in the series at Comic-Con. Beyond that, Fuller and Meyer are both notoriously difficult to work with (I wrote up a huge effortpost about the Nimoy / Meyer feud a few pages back) and it wouldn't stun me if he had just decided to part ways, considering loving Kurtzman is the other guy running the show. Pure supposition, I know, but just thinking out loud.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:How big a factor was Quinto's role on Heroes in his casting for Spock? Pretty much the only factor.
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WampaLord posted:What? How? Stewart's chiropractor told him that he would suffer permanent spinal damage if he continued wearing the costume, and so he demanded costume changes before he would show up to start shooting the third season.
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WampaLord posted:Man, that's really hosed up. How bad do you have to gently caress up costume design to cause that? As mentioned earlier, Roddenberry insisted that all the uniforms be ordered one to two sizes smaller than the actors' actual size. Just another example of how he had totally lost the plot.
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Baronjutter posted:I think the first pocket on a federation uniform we saw were the cadet cargo pants in ds9? There's a pocket in the front flap (the part below the belt) in the maroon uniforms used in the movies.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I got the TNG Collection Volume Two soundtrack release recently and have been digging it. Some great cues from the first couple of seasons. I'll say this for Family Guy: As annoying and frequently pants-on-head moronic as it is, at least it's given us more music from Ron Jones.
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McNally posted:Didn't Kirk pull a handkerchief from a trouser pocket during his inspection of engineering during Star Trek II? Timby posted:There's a pocket in the front flap (the part below the belt) in the maroon uniforms used in the movies.
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Nessus posted:Besides which, I gather Gene was much less of a wiener during the TOS era. Gene literally had no control whatsoever over the movies after The Motion Picture.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:TNG season 7's sin is that so much of it is so dull. You could just tell that everyone -- the writers, the cast, pretty much anyone involved with the show -- was so completely burnt out at that point and they were just throwing poo poo at the wall and seeing what stuck. There were bright spots but there's an oddly palpable feeling throughout the season that everyone was just done. thexerox123 posted:I think that Best of Both Worlds and Yesterday's Enterprise are overrated. I'll fight you on Yesterday's Enterprise (though it does have way too much Denise Crosby), but BOBW Part II is just an unending slog. Actually, TNG's two-parters always tended to end on a bit of a wet fart; the only exceptions immediately coming to mind are All Good Things... and you can probably make case for Redemption. Ogmius815 posted:drat cast contracts. Everyone was signed for an eighth season, but Paramount was in a cost-cutting mode at that point and decided movies would be more profitable (particularly because they wouldn't have to pay the actors to be on the sets for forty weeks out of the year). Timby fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Aug 7, 2016 |
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The General posted:I haven't watched nemesis. Someday I might. That, various episodes of voyager and nu trek 2 and 3 are the only treks I have not seen. It has very, very few redeeming qualities. The cinematography is decent (probably the best of the TNG films after Generations, really), Digital Domain really did a phenomenal job with the visual effects ... and ... uh, yeah, I got nothin'. loving Spiner.
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Cojawfee posted:Seems lame that it appears to just be the original concept for the Enterprise. It's actually based upon Ralph McQuarrie's proposed redesign from Planet of the Titans.
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Gaz-L posted:If Generations had been a season 7 2-parter and All Good Things had been the movie, I think that would've started things off on a better foot. All Good Things... as a movie would have confused the poo poo out of general audiences.
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Nessus posted:I don't think Steamrunners existed prior to STO, though they might've been based on Background Ship #7 or something. A Steamrunner-class is very briefly glimpsed in First Contact, and we see them in a handful of DS9 episodes beginning with A Call to Arms.
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Kin posted:Just cracked out best of both worlds part 2. It was good, but i think after First Contact raised the 'seriousness' bar, it doesn't really have the same gravity it maybe once had. I was saying this earlier, but The Next Generation really stuck the landing on just a few of the concluding episodes of their two-parters -- many of them because they had no idea what to do for a resolution (as in the case with BOBW2, since they had no idea if Stewart was coming back, or Unification, which was just a wet fart), and others (looking at you, Time's Arrow) that just sucked out loud from the start. Trent posted:Also, there is some great quotable B-roll on even "bad" episodes. We often remember them for their A-plot, and forget that a moment we love and remember is buried in the same episode. While the writing pretty much universally improved once Berman replaced Roddenberry and Piller took over the writing staff, I have to blame Piller for insisting that every episode needed to feature one character in the A story and feature a totally different one in the B story, because it just got insipid. "Tonight, on STAAAAAAAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION, Picard must desperately avert war with the Romulan Empire. Meanwhile, Data experiments with masturbation."
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Paramount did a massive prop auction several years ago, basically getting rid of everything they had in their basement. That's how Alec Peters got all that poo poo for Axanar.
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WickedHate posted:It really was a truly massive sale, to the point that there's a 85% chance that any random page on Memory Alpha will have a note about this or that being sold in it. Right. Like, they weren't just selling off makeup pieces and uniforms and props -- they were auctioning off pieces from the bridge sets (that hadn't yet been destroyed), carpeting, some miniatures ... like I said, basically everything that was in the basement, because Paramount considered Trek dead and buried at that point. I think they had Christie's administer it, and that jackwagon Peters bought up so much poo poo, which he then used to found his company Propworx (which he now pimps out as the only legitimate authority for determining whether a piece of Trek merchandise / memorabilia / whatever is authentic).
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Tighclops posted:Was Peters just a rich rear end in a top hat fan to begin with or something? Pretty much. Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The 6 footer got beat the gently caress up. I guess it had spent some time suspended above some loving restaurant kitchen after Generations? They also had to do a massive restoration job just to make it usable for Generations, because it had literally been left to rot after it was hauled out for the saucer separation in Best of Both Worlds (the 4-footer, in addition to having a saucer that looked like a pregnant manta ray with aztecing and hull detailing that seems to have been applied by a blind man with Parkinson's, couldn't separate). Almost all of the internal lighting in the six-footer had frayed and was unusable, the paint job was faded and corrupted, the model itself had been beat to hell during various transports between studios, and that's where yet another huge chunk of Generations' budget went -- something like nearly $1 million went to getting the thing fixed. Timby fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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Maybe something to do with Rigel VII? Aren't there references to a nasty conflict between its people in The Cage?
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Apollodorus posted:Coolest spaceship Man, gently caress ILM's ship designs. I can't think a single one they did that I genuinely liked.
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Bloody Pom posted:Does anyone have that fake image of E/N but with Star Trek characters? The one with like five threads of Worf whining about losing his honor? Want to show it to a friend. That was made by the mod we don't talk about.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:it was pretty disappointing. This can be said of, like, every Star Trek game except 25th Anniversary, Judgment Rites, A Final Unity (although gently caress some of the puzzles in that), Elite Force, Armada and Bridge Commander.
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Veotax posted:Worth noting that most of these are from launch, the game was rushed out the door in about a year and a half (which is loving insane for an MMO) for contractual reasons. Didn't Cryptic have to rush it because the original developer (which had a much more impressive design for the game, as I recall) went broke and had to surrender the license?
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The most bullshit thing about Bridge Commander was having most of your first ten missions or whatever be in that goddamn nebula. gently caress.
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Zurui posted:Star Trek Academy was pretty awesome. (Or at least I thought it was when I was a little lass.) I liked the cinematics (and the opening theme was pretty sweet). The gameplay itself felt like Wing Commander with a Star Trek skin. Klingon Academy fixed that quite a bit, but both games were running on a completely broken engine.
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Zaroff posted:On the subject of video games, was DS9: Harbinger a slow buggy piece of crap, or was it just my mid-90s computer not being able to handle it? No, it was just forged in the deepest pits of Hell.
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Evek posted:There were also a couple other console only games for TNG but were not traditional adventure games. The only TNG-era console game I can think of off the top of my head is Future's Past, which weirdly enough had a different title on the Genesis version, although I can't recall any significant differences between the two versions.
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