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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Yeah, if they had done Enterprise instead of Voyager, it probably would have been received substantially better. Of course, my understanding is that seasons 3 and 4 were as good as they were because the producers finally got desperate enough to start venturing outside of their comfort zone, so an alternate timeline where Voyager is replaced by Enterprise might have a weaker Enterprise series because it didn't tank so hard in ratings. It's funny now reading stuff like this and thinking back to all the clowns who were so certain that the quality would pick up and the show would suddenly be awesome back in 2001. I can remember one of the main detractors making a thread declaring the show so creatively bankrupt that they'd resort to doing a Borg episode by the second season, followed by 11 pages of "fans" making GBS threads on him. I was just a teenager but I think I stuck around till midway through season 3 when the show was broadcast, but once they got to the loving "phase" pistols in the pilot I knew this show wasn't serious about doing anything good and I think I only coasted as far as I did because it was Star Trek. Enterprise was really the final lesson for me about quality in entertainment: don't loving stick around just because the brand used to be good. e: I also remember how the lady who played T'Pol was the only cast member to openly criticize the show while it was on, because she was a fan and because she probably figured they wouldn't fire the eye candy they thought everybody was tuning in to see Timby posted:Paramount did a massive prop auction several years ago, basically getting rid of everything they had in their basement. Man, gently caress that guy. Tighclops fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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Aug 10, 2016 02:24
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Ogmius815 posted:Am I alone in having basically no hope that this new series is any good or that it lasts longer than a few episodes? I was optimistic initially when they announced who was working on it but that pissweak teaser took the wind out of it's sails for me. It could still be very good even if it's low budget since it's not like the technology to put together a Trek show is expensive these days, and historically Trek trailers and teasers have been pretty shoddy but at this point I'm not holding my breath. On the other hand if it does turn out well then I'll be pleasantly surprised
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Aug 11, 2016 00:18
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GreenNight posted:People are going to expect some pretty drat good special effects too. If it looks worse than a show on Syfy, there will be hell to pay. I was watching Dark Matter (out of boredom I assure you) last Friday when I got to thinking that nobody's done anything interesting with space battles since nuBSG. In the show I was watching it was the same standard "little bolts of coloured light smack into one model or the other, cut to the cast shaking and the lights dimming" type poo poo, shields at 47% and so on. It's not the mid 90's any more, without a wider context at least that poo poo's not going to work for anybody. (Nether is doing the same loving thing but shaking the camera around and loving with the colour filters and lens flares in post) I mean that angle was played out even when they hung the "yuk yuk, isn't this just like Star Trek?" hat on it on the Stargate shows. So when the first teaser comes out looking like a cheapskate movie tie-in console game from 07, it inspires little confidence
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Aug 11, 2016 00:39
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GreenNight posted:To be honest on DM, the showrunner has mentioned he has something like 1/4 the budget he had on Stargate and that was a decade ago. But I agree, same ol'. Yeah, but like you say regardless of the budget it's the same ol'. The guy could have the same money he had on SGU, the set design would probably less resemble the cardboard box spaceships I made when I was a little kid but fundamentally what would be different? A few more seconds of CGI maybe? I wonder if they'll try to score Angela Bassett like somebody (I forget who) was saying they wanted to awhile back
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Aug 11, 2016 00:57
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I would be really excited for a show in this period if I believed for one second the look or feel of it would be period appropriate instead of unlivable and fugly like so much modern pop sci fi design STD is Enterprise until proven innocent, won't get fooled again
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Aug 11, 2016 06:43
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Ogmius815 posted:Except that Enterprise was good. "More going on than Voyager" does not equate to "good." If it hadn't of been cancelled, maybe.
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Aug 11, 2016 09:10
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McSpanky posted:Sad but on point I mean I know it seems needlessly negative to be like that but I can't be the only one who's so burnt out on promises of this that and the other from this IP and others that I'm just in full on "haha gently caress you whatever" mode until a decent trailer drops
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Aug 11, 2016 10:50
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I had Starfleet Academy Simulator for the SNES because my computers could only ever barely run games, it's graphics were poo poo but you could fly low poly models of all the TOS movie ships including some ridiculous Excelsior variant that could spam torpedoes if you knew the right button combo to unlock it
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Aug 13, 2016 00:14
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DS9 isn't even that different than TNG or Voyager, it just has serialization and more consistently written and entertaining characters. If things are supposed to improve with time than DS9 is exactly where you want to go after TNG, and Voyager and ENT to a lesser extent are a step back.
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Aug 17, 2016 01:47
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:I don't really understand why there is a faction of fans insisting that the new show has to look like 1960's low-budget rubbish, the new Trek movie sets generally work and I would argue are even great for the most part. Star Trek should always look like the future, not a constant that can be measured for the benefit of lovely nerds. The new movies' art design is usually all over the loving place and looks like a mess of poo poo as a result, it doesn't look or feel futuristic or plausible and manages to kind of suck as any sort of homage on top of it all. I mean I liked the last movie and the changes they made but fugly is as fugly does
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Aug 17, 2016 02:03
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An unseen enemy that uses subterfuge and cunning to defeat their opponents that is later revealed to be the Romulans would have been a cool thing to do based on a prior bit of continuity, too bad they pissed away their 9/11 trauma on the boring Xindi collection of utterly forgettable aliens instead.
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Aug 17, 2016 02:32
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I'm sick to death of starfighters and associated characters, I had enough of that poo poo after BSG
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Aug 18, 2016 22:52
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes and the rest of us are stuck with freaking CBS All-Access. Pirate the poo poo out of it along with the rest of the civilized world
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Aug 22, 2016 00:59
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Powered Descent posted:If anyone hasn't read it, it's here: http://www.lcarscom.net/rdm1000118.htm The visual design of that website is horrendous, so be prepared to copy-paste the text into something so you can read it without your eyes bleeding. But it's worth it, the man absolutely nails what went wrong with Voyager. After reading that it really does feel like some sort of cosmic justice that Bryan Fuller gets to do the new Trek series
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Aug 22, 2016 19:56
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Duckbag posted:I'm pretty sure that reusing previous assets is as close to a Star Trek tradition as you can get. They smoothed out the star wars greeblies but it's still basically the same design. If anything the original's round nacelles were a little more period appropriate than the boxy ones they went with:   I've seen fan versions based on this design that were successful in de-fuglyfying it, so hopefully they refine the poo poo out of the Discovery.
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Aug 23, 2016 18:50
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The Enterprise is a sailing ship and the nacelles are her sails except for when she is a submarine then she is a sailing submarine that goes in space when she is a hot rod it's dumb. cars are dumb.
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Aug 23, 2016 23:09
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Aug 26, 2016 09:04
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Evek posted:I remember watching Dark Matter last year as its in my Netflix history but I'll be damned if I can recall anything interesting about it. What a pointlessly dull show. It's a little better this season but yeah... yeah.
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Aug 27, 2016 23:24
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Railing Kill posted:Of all of the near-future (well, at least at the time) stuff in the Trek timeline (Eugenics Wars, WWIII, etc.), the Bell Riots seemed like the most plausible to me. It feels like the most likely scenario to come to pass, even forgiving the sci fi tech involved in some of the other scenarios. People are just so goddamn stupid and small-minded and fall for authoritarian hucksters all the time. That, paired with how we are hurtling toward a post-labor global economy in a lot of places, so all of that is going to make things lovely one way or another. Some US cities have already tried penning-up homeless people in the last few years. The Sanctuary District was the first thing I thought of when I read about it. I've been saying for years that poo poo is going to happen. It's a near certainty at this point
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Aug 29, 2016 00:22
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I feel like any acknowledgement of that guy and his lovely fan film is more than he or anyone still involved with him deserves
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Aug 29, 2016 23:30
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I'm pretty sure a lot of B5's cgi guys went to work on DS9 once they started doing the big fleet battles
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Aug 30, 2016 20:42
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I thought it came out that was more of his lawyer being a poo poo?
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Aug 31, 2016 21:24
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I'm betting there are less than 10 good episodes of Enterprise
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Sep 4, 2016 03:15
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A reduced budget might force them to write a Star Trek movie instead of around the expensive CGI action set pieces
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I'm actually really glad they stuck to the original VFX where possible in TNG because as much as I would sometimes like to see the stock footage punched up a bit, I wouldn't want to lose the memorable VFX shots (like the escape from the dyson sphere, for example) to a CG Enterprise D doing barrel rolls or whatever the gently caress they'd make her do now if they could
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Sep 11, 2016 18:29
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MrJacobs posted:Why would the Enterprise have done barrel rolls? I don't know, why did everything out of this franchise since DS9 ended turn out the way it has? The TOS remasters are pretty inconsistent, some episodes look good and sometimes the new CG Enterprise looks hokey as gently caress because they decided to show it peeling around like an F-16 or something, I'm glad TNG avoided that.
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Sep 11, 2016 23:42
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Baronjutter posted:Good, more time to make it not garbage. "Uh, yeah... turns out we can't shoot the whole thing on a handful of gopros and some foamcore sets without looking worse than most fan productions. We need a few months."
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Gau posted:There's a ton of rose-red nostalgia for Star Trek among the fans. I know we love to talk about how amazing "Measure of a Man" was but for every high-concept exercise in philosophy there are at least three schlocky space adventures and one or two duds. That's how TV works. When it was airing and not just rerunning or on Netflix, people tuned in NEXT TIME ON STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION not for the cerebral content but because it was another adventure with the Enterprise and her crew. Steve Amell is a swell guy and they had some cool fight choreography from what I can remember, but part of what made Star Trek fun is that it would aim just a little higher than shows like Arrow. Genre stuff might be more prevalent these days because that's where the money is but the signal to noise ratio is about the same, and just because a thing is popular enough to make somebody profit doesn't mean it's worthwhile. I mean not every episode should be The Inner Light or The Visitor but drat some meditation on humanity is required or it won't be relevant. Besides have you see what passes for "thoughtful" popular television programming? For every show like Breaking Bad there are countless piss baby garbage crime/medical procedurals whose episodes often have themes that would make Code of Honour look positively progressive I mean if you really want a big dumb sci fi action adventure show then bring back Stargate and see if the overly self referential parody that franchise became doesn't become old hat real quickly again
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Sep 16, 2016 01:41
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On looks: seeing as how one can produce effects similar or comparable to the previous series' with a free copy of Blender on almost any modern desktop I'm not going to lose sleep over a 5 dollar budget so long as they don't skimp on finding someone talented to design their poo poo. That they apparently made a b-line for some of the fugliest rejected concept art in the history of the franchise does give me pause, however
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showbiz_liz posted:Actually you know what, gently caress it, they should just lean into the whole 'no budget' thing and slavishly imitate the original show aesthetic, like to the point of making all the rocks out of expanding foam. It'll probably look like an iPad with some Ikea furniture that looks vaguely 60's kitsch put in for good measure because they're not going to hire anyone with the figurative balls to draw anything that looks different than what you can get at Best Buy because that is the Way Sci Fi Future Things Look Now, except for the rare instance like the movie Moon where it's a refreshing throwback to an industrial 80's aesthetic but not the ominous top-loading VHS player kind.
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Sep 16, 2016 02:11
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This is the first time I've ever seen anybody treat "Dear Doctor" like the implications of that episode are anything but horrific
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Sep 19, 2016 18:40
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I love how they randomly get the phaser guns at the end of the pilot even though there was no way for them to have not had them since they left spacedock so why did they bother with the plasma bolt guns in the first place
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Star Trek V is a lot like many of the lamer episodes in that the overall thing is not very good and has loads of problems but there are just as many good aspects you can pick out and enjoy I would still rather watch that film for it's good scenes than pretty much anything made after First Contact and DS9's ending
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Sep 21, 2016 04:26
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Baka-nin posted:For real, the music is one of the few strong points of the really rough first two seasons of TNG. I still remember the music set to the Yamato's destruction (also a pretty good effect) from series two, its just so good and distinct. I really hope the music for the new show is memorable and includes lots of cool spacey synth noises, I loved that poo poo from TNG's first three seasons. gently caress it, raise Jerry Goldsmith from the dead
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Sep 22, 2016 00:07
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I own an IDIC shirt That's what Gene would have wanted
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It was the 80's, if it's not ok to sound like babby's first synth score in those days then I don't know what's acceptable quite frankly I really hated that by the time you get to Voyager, the music and opening teasers are like "oh hi harry off to wank in the holodeck again" "oh cool tom I'll see you on the bridge" WAHH WAAHH WAHH WAHHHHH *fade to black* like who the gently caress were they trying to get watching this show?
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CobiWann posted:Question - how many people, even knowing the shows lacked consistent quality, watched Voyager and Enterprise from beginning to end? I live and breathe this poo poo and even I checked out on Enterprise somewhere during it's third season. I'm pretty sure it's the only series that's full of episodes I've only seen once or bits and pieces of in passing during reruns
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Gammatron 64 posted:We need more Syd Mead inspired design in everything. I love that guy's stuff so much that "normal" artistic design feels wrong to me now. I would be overjoyed if a Star Trek series took serious inspiration from Syd Mead's work for it's art design.
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It's impossible to get hype for anything anymore because of all the reboots and sequels to things that have been made as obvious attempts to cash in on people's nostalgia for better things/times that completely fail to capture what made the originals worthwhile. While Bryan Fuller is far, far more likely to know what to avoid in making a new Star Trek show and the fact that the others involved are also veterans of solid entries in the franchise is also a big plus, until I see a trailer that doesn't completely suck it's hard to feel positive
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