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It's an attempt to recapture the magic of Star Trek IV with a different gimmick involving something directly in Tarantino's wheelhouse, that is, pulp fiction
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Drink-Mix Man posted:It could be interesting if it was more like First Contact in reverse. Like, the protagonists are all gangster aliens who, I dunno, try to pull a heist on the visiting Starship Enterprise or something. No, actually, I don't want to see Quentin Tarantino's Space Jam
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Aug 11, 2020 02:26
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Animal-Mother posted:Requiem For the Omega Private Little Action on the Edge of Assignment: Earth Hey now it's a Futurama episode
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Aug 11, 2020 19:07
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I've always thought that episode was stupid personally, but mainly for the tacked on ending to a storyline that was pretty much going nowhere. 39 minutes: "Oh my god why is this grandpa so annoying?" 5 minutes: "Oh it's because I'm a demigod who massacred an entire species. Bye!" Fundamentally pointless.
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Aug 16, 2020 00:15
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TNG was required viewing in my household. TV was still network television and my family didn't have cable until '96-'97 or thereabouts. Star Treks II through VI I probably saw on VHS first, but I don't remember seeing TMP until later. I'm very familiar with VI because it ran on HBO constantly in that era where HBO would debut one new actual movie worth watching a week. TOS was harder to get a hold of until cable but my mom was a fan so when we were channel surfing it was a better choice than most. For every good TOS episode there are two duds but it's still OG Star Trek.
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Aug 16, 2020 22:18
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OK so there is a predator subplot in both Seaquest and Sealab, I guess that adds up
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Aug 17, 2020 13:47
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I have to say I really don't buy Scott Bakula as an actor who should be a Star Trek captain. I may have an irrational dislike of him though.
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Aug 17, 2020 22:26
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MikeJF posted:Mmm, that did always kinda bug me, to be honest. It's one of those things where these days they probably would've done a bit of CG set extension. Common Federation technology in Star Trek prior to a certain point was always depicted as being pretty much idiot-proof and completely safe unless someone was shooting the ship with torpedoes, and I never had much issue with how the TNG warp core was portrayed. It's one of the major conceits of Star Trek that everyone has access to some pretty wild poo poo that's very user-friendly. Then later on we discover that the engine room is filled with flesh-eating gas and so on. And the holodeck is a whole other bag of cats that if you were too clever for your own good would create lethal phantasms that could become sentient organic life and leave the holodeck.
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Aug 18, 2020 22:59
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The growing premise in late era TNG and DS9 is that the Federation is not the humanist utopia it's cracked up to be. This is a pretty obvious place to go with it but also makes Star Trek just like pretty much every other piece of dystopian science fiction when it began as explicitly not that and contrary to that. But in my opinion bullshit like the Prime Directive and the central conceits of Star Trek should be explored, of course. There's also that very long-running Star Trek trope where there's no one above captain-level who isn't corrupt or incompetent, or at bare minimum hates one particular series regular for some dumb reason.
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Aug 19, 2020 23:12
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Sir Lemming posted:I think the main insight of DS9 is that utopia is not just some perfect condition that stays perfect once you achieve it. It's more like a garden that has to be weeded, perpetually. People haven't actually become perfect (which is, somewhat, contrary to the idea that Roddenberry had been inching closer towards). They've just achieved a society that encourages the best in people. Gene was angling for "actually, human interpersonal conflict isn't a thing anymore!" near the end and driving his writing team crazy. But Gene is not Star Trek, thankfully.
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Aug 20, 2020 01:12
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SardonicTyrant posted:Like, the way I see it, the Federation as shown to us through the TNG-era Trek is textbook liberalism. "We've solved x and y, so all our problems are solved". I don't believe it was intended to be that way, but the material we're given forces me to view it that way. The Prime Directive is terrible and stuff like "money isn't a thing but we trade with the Ferengi, as a joke or something" doesn't really work. That would destroy the Ferengi economy as they know it as soon as the first Ferengi figures out that the feds have infinite money or whatever. DS9 is on the edge of Federation space and they're not supposed to have all the nice amenities or something. But they can still generate food out of thin air and people gamble with their (worthless?) money at Quark's casino. The show is not about hard sci fi though, in the TNG era it's parable of the week format. DS9 moves away from that because really, there's only so much you can do with that and even by the end of TNG it's becoming clear all is not well in the Federation in the larger political sense.
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Aug 25, 2020 06:27
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"They have interstellar travel, yes/no" is a completely arbitrary, even absurd metric for whether to contact or interact with someone so the entire exercise is based on fatally flawed logic.
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Aug 28, 2020 21:27
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raverrn posted:Is it really that arbitrary? That's the point at which they can interact with the galaxy on a meaningful level. No, it isn't, and even if it were it doesn't define the line at which we can help or communicate with them. The entire Prime Directive is based on the specious, notably backwards logic that cultures are petri dishes that must not be disturbed until they can germinate into a culture that is exactly like yours. Cultures don't work like that, they advance and adapt according to interaction with other cultures, and can't be "ruined" simply by knowing about other cultures. Technological advancement is not a stand-in for "readiness" and in any case the Federation violates the concept by constantly disturbing "pre-Warp" cultures, meaning that they can't even uphold it as a principle. It's a super terrible, regressive idea based on dated notions of multiculturalism.
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Aug 29, 2020 01:50
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Nessus posted:What I am not sure about is how it is regressive. It relies on antiquated notions of how cultures work, that they can be spoiled by interaction or that there is such a thing as a "pure" culture (!!!pull up!!!), when cultures are defined by their interrelationships with other cultures.
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Aug 29, 2020 09:24
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Strom Cuzewon posted:I can see an argument for the Prime Directive as a way to prevent colonialism. Sure, but how it works in practice is that, as a mere coincidence to the moment you have something to offer the Federation, you are asked to join and coincidentally sign up for involvement in their intergalactic politics. The way TNG in particular builds on the idea of the Prime Directive is Not Good. Instead of staying hands-off, the Federation spies on pre-warp cultures and observes them for scientific purposes or as a method to deem their culture "worthy" of being contacted. This reveals that even with the PD in place, the Federation is routinely exploiting pre-warp cultures for its own benefit and judging civilizations not by any real metric but their homogeneity to Federation values. In other words, colonialism. This is setting aside all the times when that week's Evil Admiral fucks it up for everyone because they need to exploit even harder, Federation regulations insist that pre-warp cultures be allowed to die out from preventable disasters (openly admitting the horrible petri dish philosophy), and so on. Repeal the Prime Directive!
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Aug 29, 2020 11:33
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Supposing it's true, Muldaur getting paid more than the lead for a part where she' s on screen for 5m an episode to be racist to Data is 1,000% a result of being old friends with Gene
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Sep 1, 2020 00:24
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skasion posted:Now that I look this up I can’t find a source that says exactly that. But she definitely did make more money than other members of the cast (unnamed) which contributed to the bad feeling around her. Also the cue card thing, which people put up with if you're Marlon Brando and that's about it
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Sep 1, 2020 00:28
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bull3964 posted:You know, the holodeck must suck for a Betazoid. Having that extra sense without any input has to take something the way of simulating things. It should be relaxing since it's never useful anyway
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Sep 3, 2020 20:45
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The_Doctor posted:That would be a fantastic addition to the Borg backstory. Throughout all their assimilating, they’ve maintained their culture’s art nouveau styling. The cubes are late gothic inside, proper technological haunted houses. Congratulations you've just worked backward to invent the Adeptus Mechanicum
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Sep 8, 2020 23:33
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PerniciousKnid posted:All characters are having sex any time they aren't on camera, that's why their uniform is pajamas. I'm sure this in Gene's story bible
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Sep 9, 2020 18:03
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Apparently A People's History of the United States was lost during the Eugenics Wars
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Sep 10, 2020 06:52
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No Luck Needed posted:top ten dr crusher episodes Remember Me kinda scores big just because it's more of an Outer Limits episode. "Ensign Wesley traps his mom in a collapsing bubble universe" is also just a fantastic concept.
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Sep 15, 2020 00:05
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Timby posted:There's some incredibly fuzzy footage of Geordi on the Klingon ship wearing the new uniform. No one can definitively say that is or is not a Roswell Gray laying on the table with quality like this
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Sep 16, 2020 00:45
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Admiralty Flag posted:Yeah, I thought this for a long time then I saw it again recently. I kinda forgot how early the mystery is ruined and how especially creepy the Traveler is in the episode. Still good but better in the mind's eye. I re-watched this last night and thought it was a great episode for a few reasons outside the concept: 1) It makes abundantly clear how much everyone trusts Beverley when she comes to them with claims that in ordinary circumstances would be patently insane to them 2) It makes it clear how competent everyone is and creates an atmosphere of everyone being excellent at their jobs (except perhaps Wesley, who stands out as being more cut out for work as an extradimensional psychic). There's a lot of world-building when they describe all the failsafes that exist in Star Trek to find people. It makes clear that they're suited for life on the Enterprise, where weird poo poo happens all the time and they have to consider things like interdimensional warp phenomena loving up reality. 3) It makes clear how smart and competent Beverley is when she can reason out the problem completely on her own and not have a psychotic break I thought it was a good companion episode to the one I watched next, in which Data is summoned by his creator, systematically locks everyone else out of control of the ship to go see him (endangering lives in the process), and then at the end they don't even consider disciplining him because everyone "gets" Data and understands the situation.
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Sep 16, 2020 01:20
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Timby posted:I believe he said in post-release interviews that he was always more of a Star Wars fan than he was a Star Trek fan, so he really wasn't all that familiar with the lore, and that's where people latched onto the idea that Star Trek 2009 was an audition reel for Star Wars and it just kind of seeped through via Internet osmosis, even though that script is about 95 percent Orci / Kurtzman and five percent Abrams. The only good trek is my trek
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Sep 22, 2020 04:19
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Timby posted:There is no way on God's green Earth that Mission: Impossible III is worse than M:I 2, the movie whose director had to be fired out of the editing room because his cut was incomprehensible. It's easily the dumbest of a set of movies that are pretty dumb. Don't get into espionage unless you can stand getting betrayed and disavowed on literally every mission.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:28
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MI3 was the one where it came out that Tom Cruise hated psychiatry and antidepressants, and since then they've kept a lid on his personal feelings about anything even as he's apparently become the leader of scientology, or close to it.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:44
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I believe even TNG abandoned it, but I think even before this it was a point that you can't do whatever you want with the ship engine at any time, because there are technological limitations to its acceleration into higher "warp factors" and the associated stability. If you think blowing up is bad, try blowing up at several times the speed of light. Time travel is also as simple to do as slingshotting around the sun in really any ship with a warp drive on it, so long as you're willing to have a minor psychotic break on the way.
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Sep 23, 2020 14:36
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Unmature posted:It’s the only Trek paperback I’ve found that’s that scarce. No audiobook either. Guess I’ll do the ebook. https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Sa...MR836XZ438SQHHM lmbo
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Sep 25, 2020 04:32
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Senor Tron posted:Combined with the fact they tried really hard to figure out how to make interactive touchscreens for the consoles it's intriguing to imagine what TOS could have looked like. Presumably then it would have looked like TNG
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Sep 25, 2020 12:03
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It's not good but it has its moments, and let's be serious we've all watched all of 'em more than once.
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Sep 29, 2020 06:11
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The first Star Trek movie centers on two sucky Ensign Billy characters and it's five hours long with 44 minutes of script, so on a storytelling level it's a complete disaster. However, the visuals in HD are fantastic and to this day there's no Star Trek movie like it visually.
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Oct 1, 2020 14:26
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Unmature posted:Yeah it makes sense it’s just funny how the writers will just do whatever they want for convenience after introducing such a huge thing. It should’ve just shorted out or been removed at the end of Generations. Insurrection is probably the worst one, but it's close
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Oct 4, 2020 03:15
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side_burned posted:So I am watching TNG for the first time in years and even as a kid I mostly watched in syndication so the exact order of episodes has always been kind of fuzzy to me. I just the finished the Royal, and it has bit where Data explains the rules of craps and it's written as if Riker doesn't understand the concept of gambling, which is weird because the first poker scene was about ten episodes earlier. A lot of ink has been spilt about the tension in TNG's first two season between of the show trying replicate the original series' formula and the more character driven drama that the show becomes and that really summed it up to me. TNG had dozens of writers over time, accepted numerous spec scripts, and Gene and his lawyer would in the early days actively gently caress up everything. So at least mild continuity errors are a given.
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Oct 4, 2020 03:54
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Finally watched Insurrection with the commentary on last night, and what's amazing is that there's so little going on in this movie that you feel like you don't really need the film's dialogue track to begin with. Also not helping its negative comparisons to TNG two-parters is that it looks like it was filmed for TV, and it has the kiss of death for TNG, Picard love life bullshit. I had also forgotten the infamous joystick scene. Data regresses as a character to the point that he's learning life lessons from children again. It's baffling how they consistently made the worst choices here. As far as the commentary, it's pretty good and makes the movie more enjoyable, and I would not recommend anyone watch it any other way. It's also fairly clear from the commentary that Frakes doesn't like Piller's script or Rick Berman at all. So yeah Nemesis is also completely stupid and even offensive at times, somehow wastes Ron Perlman, and nearly drove Tom Hardy to suicide, but they had a story to make a movie out of, and this is just such poo poo.
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Oct 4, 2020 23:52
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Astroman posted:I have just the guy! Data ends up friends with everyone but Pulaski
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Oct 5, 2020 02:42
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John Wick of Dogs posted:So us mooks at home gots somethin to look at! We got a good thing going here don't mess it up! One of the weirdest things about Troi is that they doll her up very strangely and make her completely unattractive throughout the TV series run.
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bull3964 posted:Yeah, Beyond was decent despite of the climax. It should have had an ending after the swarm that didn't involve the same tired big bad escaping and threatening Innocents and only our hero can punch them down from a high place. Beyond was a refreshing change in that they made an MCU movie instead of whatever the gently caress Into Darkness was Miss posted:how am i just now learning how great marina sirtis is I think she has always felt blessed just to have a part in Star Trek that guarantees you don't have to work again as long as you are OK with doing the convention circuit every year. Her level of interest in the actual storylines or whatever appears to be next to zero beyond broad strokes, and she gives no fucks generally. Name Change fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Oct 11, 2020 |
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