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Jul 13, 2008

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

Backers get to stream the full season on Tuesday and download it on Thursday, assuming your level includes that reward.

But if you want to help out the show, you'll (also) watch it on Netflix, to improve its "ratings" and make season 12 that much more likely.

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Jul 13, 2008

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John Murdoch posted:

no small part of that comes from how amazingly repetitive the back half of the movie is.

Speaking of the movie, I had no idea that a certain famous reaction gif which I can't seem to find right now was from Reptilicus.

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Jul 13, 2008

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Solaris Knight posted:

I really hope they sell the bubble fan because that looks like a lot of fun

My first thought was "Hey, I could build one of those." That's a first for an Invention Exchange.

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Jul 13, 2008

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Gaz-L posted:

Edit: gently caress, I just realised the band's helmets and Moon 13's logo are meant to mimic the syringes/icepicks/whatever-the-fucks in Kinga's hair.

I took them all as being stylistically based on the Satellite of Love's famous bone shape.

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Jul 13, 2008

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My favorite Kinga quote so far, from Cry Wilderness: "And it's so much work seaming this season with the old one. I should just reboot it." :haw:

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Jul 13, 2008

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HannibalBarca posted:

maybe my brain has just been warped by a decade of deliberately watching bad movies, but Time Travelers seems like it would be fine on its own terms.

I'm going slow, so I've only just now gotten through The Time Travelers, and I agree. It's more than a little corny but really not bad at all. There were a bunch of movies of that exact genre: it's the fifties or early sixties, there's a band of scientists consisting of a clean-cut man, a pretty woman, and (optionally) a comic relief character and an old guy, and they try to save the world from some situation which may or may not be of their own making. Think of movies like When Worlds Collide, or This Island Earth, or War of the Worlds (the 1953 George Pal one, of course). Hell, even Destination Moon comes pretty close to qualifying. These were the Sunday afternoon movies of my childhood, and I still love them. (That doesn't stop me from also loving it when they turn up on MST, though.)

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Jul 13, 2008

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Random Stranger posted:

I feel like while Gypsy may have been a one-note character before, there's just nothing distinctive about her now. Getting two riffs a movie just isn't enough; maybe if she came in more often it would be better. I do like how the puppet redesign lets them hang bodies off the neck for playing dressing up.

Basically, new voice is fine, but Gypsy needs more to do.

I'm going slow with the new season; I only just watched Avalanche (11-04) last night. Gypsy having a "normal" voice took a little getting used to, but I'm totally on board now. (Hell, even if we disregard the prime "it's just a show, I should really just relax" directive, she's had ample time to upgrade herself in the last 18 years.) She should definitely be given a bigger role.

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Jul 13, 2008

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Knight posted:

Maybe MST3K needs to move past video game references, pop culture, and even jokes themselves. Only then can the Satellite of Love become what it was meant to be: a theater for community storytelling focused on deep characterization, multi-layered plots with season-spanning thematic narratives, and intricate world-building expanded into a multi-platform franchise universe played over B-movies. just relax

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<Things (1989) finishes playing, the camera returns from the theater to the bots standing over a burial plot>
Gypsy: [to Jonah's grave] Jonah, dear, I can't cry. Why did you do it? I search and search and I search, and I can't understand it, Jonah. We watched the last movie today. Today, dear. And there'll be nobody in the theater.
[a sob rises in her throat]
Gyspy: We're free and clear.
[sobs]
Gypsy: We're free.
fin

The entire show should become serious legitimate cinema, like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pGZbfNADNs

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Jul 13, 2008

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Crazy Ferret posted:

It really is a great entry into the series. You get a mix of the old with Doctor Forester and the new with Mike. It also helps that it is super quotable.

"But I'm not an alien!"

"Breach Hull All Die. Huh! Even had it underlined."

One that I've had occasion to use many many times in my life is Crow's immortal line "I calculated the odds of this succeeding versus the odds I was doing something incredibly stupid... and I went ahead anyway."

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Jul 13, 2008

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twistedmentat posted:

Okay, what is the issue with Jim Mallon? I never was involved in the show in hits hayday, so I don't know all the behind the scenes strife that went on.

I don't think anyone's ever publicly gone into gory detail, but here's what Joel had to say in 1999:

Joel Hodgson posted:

The big thing is that Jim Mallon and I were kind of fighting over creative control of the show. And it just got too hard. You can't really be fighting with someone and doing all the stuff you have to do. I think what made the show work for me was that I really loved it. I really liked the audience, and the whole process was... I was really happy doing it, and I realized that I'd turn into Jerry Lewis or something if I started to kind of hate it. And that was starting to happen, just because of these conflicts I was having internally with Jim. I had a pretty good deal set up, so if I left, it would be okay. If Jim wanted to run the show his way and it succeeded, I would make money on it. And if it didn't work, that would be okay, too. It was just kind of the way to do it. The thing would have blown up if we both would have stayed there. I like to look at it like the story of King Solomon, when the baby was brought before him. [Laughs.]

archive.org link, since it looks like the original page has been gone for years: https://web.archive.org/web/20060106045148/http://avclub.com/content/node/23008 Another interesting tidbit from that interview: a possible early appearance of the "liquid video" concept.

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Jul 13, 2008

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Isometric Bacon posted:

I seem to recall a decade or so ago hearing new of a MST3K revival, and the internet getting excited for a hot second before Jim Mallon announced it was going to be a flash based online cartoon show starring the bots and no original actors. Whatever happened with that? Did it ever come out?

They made a few. They were terrible.

http://mst3k.wikia.com/wiki/The_%27Bots_Are_Back

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Jul 13, 2008

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Found them on youtube. They're as bad as I remember:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP0nIMKSTz0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dLqbfD0HSQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw6SXaDkjjg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfAQORlhEQg

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Jul 13, 2008

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Burkion posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6-4ssFHryM

You know, this is actually incredibly sweet.

At first I saw that this was a youtube link and figured it was a host segment or song or something from an episode I haven't seen yet (I'm going slow, only up through 11x05), but I took a risk and clicked on it.

For everyone going slow like me, if you've seen 11x01, this contains no spoilers* and is wonderful and please excuse me I have something in my eye. :3:

* Okay okay, there are a couple of one-second-no-audio clips I didn't recognize. It doesn't spoil any jokes or plots or anything, how's that?

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Jul 13, 2008

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Jack Gladney posted:

Is the set really a flat backdrop? I figured they just had one camera. Moon 13 can handle multiple angles. Actually, when has a host segment ever done more than one angle?

They DO have only one camera.

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Jul 13, 2008

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Ballz posted:

Yeah I just responded to this the other day. That documentary is old and has a lot of inaccuracies in it. The little girl, the mom, and until a few months ago the Master himself are all very much alive.

Torgo did indeed kill himself after battling some internal demons, tho. :smith:

Not dead the way you know it. He is with us always. Not dead the way you know it. He is with us always.

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Jul 13, 2008

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mangler103 posted:

My all time favorite is Pod people. The run with Trumpy walking down the line of caged animals and Trace doing his 'potatoes' bit wth that voice is the moment I fell in love with the show. Also the first episode I got to watch all the way through.

Pod People is a great one, but there's something about the movie that's somehow... tiring to watch. It's one of those movies where it feels like I'm coming up for air when Cambot pulls back and that first door slams shut.

My favorite from the Joel era has got to be Cave Dwellers. It just hits on all cylinders. The riffing is spot-on, the host segments are great, even the movie itself is goofy enough to be enjoyable.

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Jul 13, 2008

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Arivia posted:

Fudgey the Whale ice cream cakes.

Cold sesame noodles.

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Jul 13, 2008

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I'm more like one of the Nanites.

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Jul 13, 2008

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I'm Кетчуп.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNH4dafgFZY

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Jul 13, 2008

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I'm envisioning a VR headset game where you take the role of Cambot. You mostly just sit there and watch, and go back and forth through the doors every half hour or so, but every now and then you get to cue up music or overlay a special effect when one of the other characters requests it. Once in a great while, you can become Rocket Number Nine and experience the void of space.

And here's still another one of those Netflix bots videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYEPBLLmQTE

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Jul 13, 2008

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Al Borland Corp. posted:

There are also different rights considerations.

That was my thought. Getting the rights to show a movie at a theater is a whole different animal from getting the rights to distribute a modified version of the movie.

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Jul 13, 2008

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I finally figured out what's bugging me about Servo in the new season. It's not the voice (Baron is doing great), it's the puppeteering. Specifically, it's one aspect of the puppeteering: Servo should be up a bit higher, with the front edge of his hoverskirt resting on the table, instead of floating behind the table all the time. It feels like he's hiding back there, which is rather out of character for Tom.



That said, this extremely minor quibble is the closest thing I have to a complaint about the new episodes, so I figure they got a whole lot of things very very right. :)

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Jul 13, 2008

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precision posted:

What one episode has everyone watched the most?

Got to be Cave Dwellers -- it was the very first one I got on home video, back in the day. (On VHS, if you believe that.)

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Jul 13, 2008

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precision posted:

So is this gonna be a super violent porn cartoon?

We like it very much.

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Jul 13, 2008

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I think the way Rifftrax does these things is a very clever end run around the ENTIRE copyright thing. You provide the movie, and when you play the file or disc using their app, it'll play the riffs along with it, synced up by means of magic.

There's absolutely no technical reason you couldn't do the same thing with a video overlay. Provide your own copy of Rocketship X-M and open it with a special app, and it'll show you the MST3K episode. No copyright worries because they aren't selling you the movie; they're selling you an app that puts an overlay on a video file, with a silhouette of a guy and two robots saying some things, and also starts and stops the movie at the correct points to allow for host segments. (How you get the movie to put underneath it is up to you.)

Now, in practice, actually making something like that for an old episode (that can't get a normal release) would be a real pain. In particular, I doubt they have the original audio elements anymore, so they'd have to start with the already-mixed version on the final master tapes. Scrubbing all of the movie sounds from the audio track and leaving only Joel and the bots might be tricky. I really doubt they'd go to the trouble, but it's a fun thought experiment.

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Jul 13, 2008

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BANG!

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Jul 13, 2008

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So... did anyone else here back both the MST3K reboot and the Zappa documentary kickstarter, and get Joel's postcard this week?

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Jul 13, 2008

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tarlibone posted:

Man, that movie...

That whole movie seemed to me like some movie producer had a terrible idea that sounded good when he wrote it down, probably because he'd passed out in a drunken stupor and was still drunk when he woke up from a bad dream, at which point he grabbed a pencil and paper and wrote down "lawyer saves Christmas by using legal bureaucracy." (Hey, this producer may think of bad ideas for movies, but he can spell very well when drunk.)

Then, on a bet he couldn't afford to lose, he had to make that movie. And the film we saw was the result. The whole time I watched it, I couldn't stop thinking, "Why is this movie? Why is it?"

Of all things, the part that somehow stuck out to me as the least plausible aspect of the movie was this: The entire matter of north pole foreclosure was over a sum of money that amounted to a few days' wages at a department store. You'd think someone in the world would have been willing to spot Santa a few c-notes until January.

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Jul 13, 2008

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Clouseau posted:

I don't know why Starcrash doesn't work for me as an episode. The movie is just loving exhausting with all the constant insanity that it throws at you. I would have thought that was a good thing, but it just doesn't work for me, neither as a good-bad movie or the riffing for it (though, there's some great gems in there).

I think the problem with Starcrash is that the movie itself manages to completely overshadow the riffs. Just about the only riff I even remember is the one that's a full song. The movie is SO weird and SO bad that riffs have no power over it.

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Jul 13, 2008

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Davey, NOOOOOOO!!!

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Jul 13, 2008

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Mister Kingdom posted:

But how many got the subscription and then canceled it after seeing the whole season?

I was going to do just that but by then I had gotten used to having all of Star Trek available and gotten started on a complete watch-through of Archer and hey look, they got Rogue One, and before I know it I'm keeping Netflix forever.

That's how they get you.

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Jul 13, 2008

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TL posted:

They also launched an MST3K Online Store today.

They have gizmonic jumpsuit T-shirts! :neckbeard:

...and now I feel guilty about buying a knockoff one from teepublic a few months ago. :(

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Jul 13, 2008

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Bicyclops posted:

gently caress, I don't see how anybody doesn't drop one of those balls, but the sleepy-eyed jokelord juggling them all with a smile is incredible. Plus he's surviving off the quarters people are tossing into his cap while silently tossing a few of them to fellow jugglers who got short-changed.

:agreed: Joel is coming out of this whole thing smelling like both a genius and a saint. This could have been the easiest kickstarter in the world to screw up, but Joel sure looks to be navigating the brave new world of the Internet with the greatest of ease, and without losing his soul in the process.

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Jul 13, 2008

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If necessary, Joel and Ivan can always hit Kickstarter again. The Rifftrax guys have gone back to that well five times (admittedly for smaller amounts).

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Jul 13, 2008

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Six minutes to Movie Sign!

http://www.shoutfactorytvlive.com/sf_event/turkey-day-2017/

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Jul 13, 2008

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Whoa, Jonah was literally scarred by the Star Wars prequels!

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Jul 13, 2008

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8one6 posted:

Short answer: "The payload"
I think it's the liquid that goes in those big long jars that the skeleton crew put into the wall at the very end of every episode. Like, it's the liquid distillation of "bad movie", for which Kinga has nefarious plans. (I have nothing to base this on and happily admit it's just a wild-rear end guess.)

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Jul 13, 2008

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HopperUK posted:

Now let's talk about how saying 'spaz' is really horrible over here :D

Yeah, in that case there's a riff in I Was a Teenage Werewolf that might not go over well on that side of the pond...

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Jul 13, 2008

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Keromaru5 posted:

*EDIT* Wait, one of the stars of this movie is Trump's ambassador to Denmark?

Too bad it wasn't Ireland. The "potatoes are what WE eat!" jokes would have written themselves.

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Jul 13, 2008

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SirPhoebos posted:

-Ambition outreaching skill and/or budget. Manos falls into this category. Also Robot Monster, Future War, Final Sacrifice and a whole slew of others.

I'd name Overdrawn at the Memory Bank as the standout example of this category. They clearly wanted to do a piece of high-concept science fiction for the PBS audience; re-doing Tron for the intelligentsia. But of course they instead ended up making... well, I'm not even sure what to call it. Adjectives fail me.

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