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TBeats posted:I was in the military so most of my FB friends are/were in the military and they have just doubled down on their Hillary hate. Some of them have quieted down, but the ones who have always been obnoxious about it are even more obnoxious. A snopes for this exists by the way: http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-racist-meme/
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edrith posted:I taught a subject that didn't have to cleave to CC testing standards in a school that was in the process of implementing CC and this is pretty much the consensus. Standards are great, new math methodology is great, emphasis on critical thinking when engaging with literature is great, but they basically threw a book of CC standards at every teacher in the country and said "Do this next year" and left it at that. Even the best teachers are frazzled by the switch, and it's incredibly confusing for a ninth grader who has been told to show her work since kindergarten to have to reorient by following a teacher who can't properly articulate the new method. The overtesting makes everyone - student, parents, teachers - even more anxious. Teachers love CC the thing itself; they just hate how the department of education acted like they could just switch to it overnight. I feel you. I'm providing professional development while teaching new standards as I go. How loving ridiculous is that? The best my fellow teachers are going to receive in support is me and a few others who is only slightly more prepared than them to help them navigate the change. I'm down to do it, sure. But it's still vastly a weak support. Then again, if the support came at a larger level I think we'd have less trust from teachers. So frustrating. And yes, it's no fun when you start teaching the standards to kids as if they have always been taught that way. CC was meant to build on itself one grade to another, so I feel bad for kids caught in the transition.
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TBeats posted:I would've taken money from loving Hitler. People who bitch about money getting thrown at politicians are goddamn liars if they say they wouldn't do the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ktvE2vfxSQ&t=85s
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vyelkin posted:Not saying the US should run the world, but even if you believe in some kind of global balance of power between Great Powers then it doesn't seem untrue to say that having the world's largest Great Power suddenly withdraw from the world and turn isolationist, whether caused by the election of a far right or far left candidate, would be beneficial for the other Great Powers? Nota popular opinion necessarily, however if a country is going to run the world shittly I would as an American prefer it to be run terribly by people I have at least a tiny miniscule amount of control over as a voting citizen. Rather than the USA isolate ourselves and let someone else take over "world police" duty because I assume they would probably do just as badly as us.
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SedanChair posted:Yeah the problem I referred to is really a problem of teachers not having the time or opportunity to communicate with parents and caregivers and explain lesson plans.  I get to school at 7am to prep (check and respond to emails, set up my equipment and make sure everything works), then I teach, then spend my lunch handling student issues that came up during my morning classes, talk to students who need an adult to talk to (pretty much an every day occurrence since all my students know I'm the teacher that will listen to their problems and help them), oh yeah, eat and go to the bathroom if I can, then back to teaching, after school is done I answer more emails, go to after school meetings (IEPs, 504's, parent-teacher conferences, teacher training), then I grade and make copies for tomorrow, and I finally head home around 6 or 7 if I'm lucky. Adding a daily, "Hey parents, here's my lesson plan for tomorrow explained in detail, the standards, the IB standards and the learner profiles" might just kill me. I would love to do it but there is just no time. I have 200+ students. Luckily, my principal is awesome and has nights during the school year to explain all of this stuff to the parents, and I'm more than glad to have an afterschool meeting if a parent wants more info, but there's a point where you just gotta let us teach. I've gone to school for over 5 years and I haven't even begun on my masters yet. Edrith posted:I taught a subject that didn't have to cleave to CC testing standards in a school that was in the process of implementing CC and this is pretty much the consensus. Standards are great, new math methodology is great, emphasis on critical thinking when engaging with literature is great, but they basically threw a book of CC standards at every teacher in the country and said "Do this next year" and left it at that. Even the best teachers are frazzled by the switch, and it's incredibly confusing for a ninth grader who has been told to show her work since kindergarten to have to reorient by following a teacher who can't properly articulate the new method. The overtesting makes everyone - student, parents, teachers - even more anxious. Teachers love CC the thing itself; they just hate how the department of education acted like they could just switch to it overnight. HorseRenoir posted:The Green Party doesn't actually want to win; their entire appeal is about being the fringe outsider party on the sidelines that can safely thumb their nose at the actual leftist politicians trying to enact real change inside the Democratic Party.
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Miss Nomer posted:Oh my god, don't we teachers do enough? Uh hence "no time or opportunity". Not that teachers don't take the time to do this, but that they don't have the time because of their other responsibilities
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Common Core is implemented enough that revoking it now because it wasn't the best solution would do more damage than continuing to implement it. And it is better, at least/especially in math, so extra let it be.
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Miss Nomer posted:Oh my god, don't we teachers do enough? Well no wonder you don't have any time, you just spent all that time rebutting something I never said 
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seiferguy posted:A snopes for this exists by the way: http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-racist-meme/ UHHH SNOPES IS JUST LIBERAL PROPAGANDA YOU SHEEPLE this has been an actual excuse given to me about why snopes can't be used, so i generally just avoid it when talking to these poeple if i can't manage to avoid talking to these people.
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Miss Nomer posted:I was told I wasn't a true socialist because I refused to vote Green Party. I'd rather pull the Democrats to the left and contact my representative and senators about policies I'd like to see. Plus, there's way too much anti-science milling around in the party for me to feel comfortable with
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TBeats posted:UHHH SNOPES IS JUST LIBERAL PROPAGANDA YOU SHEEPLE Yah, I got the same thing last night. The right wing media has poisoned the well on Snopes.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yah, I got the same thing last night. The right wing media has poisoned the well on Snopes. Snopes often links their primary sources. Just use those instead.
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Grundulum posted:Snopes often links their primary sources. Just use those instead. It won't matter. Reality has a liberal bias. They could be link to the most esteemed per reviewed academic journals and they'd be accused of being ivory tower lib professors.
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If you remember why they're called snopes in the first place, it makes sense why the same sort of people Snopes was arguing against in the trial don't accept contradictory facts when it interferes with the narrative they've internalized for decades
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Jul 31, 2016 18:38
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FuzzySkinner posted:I'm awful at math...and I'm glad I never had to do common core from the sounds of it. The problem with math education is that teaches are overworked, underpaid, not given enough time to prepare their lessons, and asked to do way too much. The average math teacher cares deeply about average students, honors students, and struggling students. Most math teachers want to craft lessons that cater to the variety of learning styles in their classrooms, and they do a monumental job of it given the resources they have. Give them decent support and training and they'd do everything everyone wants them to. While they're doing this, teachers are expected to solve behavioral problems stemming from all of society's problems, not the least of which is a massive stigmatization and neglect of mental illness in both children and their parents. What education reform has historically boiled down to is "the classroom doesn't look right, let's heap more and more ever changing requirements on teachers without touching the systems that surround them". I could write pages and pages on the things we're not doing to confront one small aspect of the problem (teacher burnout). There are a lot of good trends, like putting special education teachers in some classrooms along with math teachers, but it's not enough. Not yet.
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metalloid posted:The problem with math education is that teaches are overworked, underpaid, not given enough time to prepare their lessons, and asked to do way too much. The average math teacher cares deeply about average students, honors students, and struggling students. Most math teachers want to craft lessons that cater to the variety of learning styles in their classrooms, and they do a monumental job of it given the resources they have. Give them decent support and training and they'd do everything everyone wants them to. i feel like whoever is teaching the teachers common core is failing at their job because those same teachers probably learned it the way it's been taught for who the gently caress knows how long. i feel like the common core standard is different for just about everybody, which is part of the problem. i also think as long as you can get the answer, it shouldn't matter how you got there as long as you didn't cheat.
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rscott posted:If you remember why they're called snopes in the first place, it makes sense why the same sort of people Snopes was arguing against in the trial don't accept contradictory facts when it interferes with the narrative they've internalized for decades Are you talking about the Scopes Monkey Trial? Because that has absolutely nothing at all to do with Snopes. Because they are two different words.
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TBeats posted:UHHH SNOPES IS JUST LIBERAL PROPAGANDA YOU SHEEPLE You're not the only one. Political discourse has gotten to the point where if people don't like an article, it's immediately propaganda for the other side.
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Spacebump posted:You're not the only one. Political discourse has gotten to the point where if people don't like an article, it's immediately propaganda for the other side. Fortunately you can tell sometimes, like if it says Breitbart or Fox News
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TBeats posted:i feel like whoever is teaching the teachers common core is failing at their job because those same teachers probably learned it the way it's been taught for who the gently caress knows how long. I'm sure that's the case. The people teaching teachers common core are also underpaid, overworked, undertrained, and asked to do too much. They also do unbelievable work given the realities of their job. In the meanwhile, republican fuckwads are diverting the resources needed to fix the problem to all sorts of poo poo that doesn't work. common core is just a scapegoat. The standards themselves are fine. More emphasis on problem solving skills and understanding the structures of numbers etc. is not a bad thing. maybe the education derail should get its own thread? I don't have the time to do an education thread's OP the justice it deserves, but gimme a couple days and I will.
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I keep hearing about 'the missing emails'- wasn't it the email software that was deleted and the FBI was able to retrieve the great majority of emails they were looking for? Or am I recalling this incorrectly? Does anyone have a source for that information? I had to use Snopes today over the 'she freed a child rapist and laughed!' bullshit just twenty minutes ago. I think hunting down the original sources is a good idea. My link folder is getting pretty full. geez.
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I know as a parent with a kid in a common core math class my issue is the execution rather than the theory. I'm all for teaching as many different ways to learn something as possible, but too often I've seen my kid struggle with a homework problem that she absolutely had down just days before because she's trying to use a different method that just isn't clicking with her the way the previous method did. When I try to make her go back and use the method she knows she says she can't do it, that she has to do it this way and sometimes she panics because she's having issues grasping this new concept. I think at least some teachers are more concerned with teaching every different method than with allowing the kids to pick the method that works best for them and teaching the kids math. Which I think was the original goal of the common core idea.
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nostrata posted:I know as a parent with a kid in a common core math class my issue is the execution rather than the theory. I'm all for teaching as many different ways to learn something as possible, but too often I've seen my kid struggle with a homework problem that she absolutely had down just days before because she's trying to use a different method that just isn't clicking with her the way the previous method did. When I try to make her go back and use the method she knows she says she can't do it, that she has to do it this way and sometimes she panics because she's having issues grasping this new concept. I think at least some teachers are more concerned with teaching every different method than with allowing the kids to pick the method that works best for them and teaching the kids math. Which I think was the original goal of the common core idea. Youre wrong and part of the problem
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The way your child understands and the way she's being asked to do it now are related, they're different approaches to the same concept. There are ways to draw connections between methods . I don't know if her teacher has the time to do that in class. The new method is going to make perfect sense to some students who found the earlier method confusing. There's a real benefits to children's problem solving skills if they understand all the approaches, but it's possibly not practical to teach them in the system we have. Teaching math is really hard.
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metalloid posted:The way your child understands and the way she's being asked to do it now are related, they're different approaches to the same concept. There are ways to draw connections between methods . I don't know if her teacher has the time to do that in class. Also, in a lot of states there's virtually no time to teach problem solving skills like that. It's all standardized testing because schools that do poorly get less money than schools that do well on standardized tests.
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Svanja posted:I keep hearing about 'the missing emails'- wasn't it the email software that was deleted and the FBI was able to retrieve the great majority of emails they were looking for? Or am I recalling this incorrectly? Does anyone have a source for that information? No the emails were actually deleted but the FBI was able to recover a bunch of them during their investigation into the people she was talking to. Remember email is a two way street where every email sent has to be received and vice versa- so just because she deleted them didn't mean that they were completely gone. Upon reviewing the emails she deleted it was clear that there wasn't any cover up attempt.
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Cythereal posted:It's all standardized testing because schools that do poorly get less money than schools that do well on standardized tests. This is so rear end backwards it is astounding if true (I'm sure I have to be missing some nuance). Let's punish the children who are falling behind and reward the ones who are already doing well. That won't create an ever-widening gap.
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Guy A. Person posted:This is so rear end backwards it is astounding if true (I'm sure I have to be missing some nuance). Let's punish the children who are falling behind and reward the ones who are already doing well. That won't create an ever-widening gap. Welcome to the education community's reaction to No Child Left Behind. It's a little more nuanced than that, but that's the gist of it.
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metalloid posted:The way your child understands and the way she's being asked to do it now are related, they're different approaches to the same concept. There are ways to draw connections between methods . I don't know if her teacher has the time to do that in class. There's also real benefit to kids learning how to struggle and fail. Helps with mastery and recall when they do master the skill in addition to just being good prep for real life. (In addition to your points) nostrata posted:I know as a parent with a kid in a common core math class my issue is the execution rather than the theory. I'm all for teaching as many different ways to learn something as possible, but too often I've seen my kid struggle with a homework problem that she absolutely had down just days before because she's trying to use a different method that just isn't clicking with her the way the previous method did. When I try to make her go back and use the method she knows she says she can't do it, that she has to do it this way and sometimes she panics because she's having issues grasping this new concept. I think at least some teachers are more concerned with teaching every different method than with allowing the kids to pick the method that works best for them and teaching the kids math. Which I think was the original goal of the common core idea. If you're curious about the execution or theory of common core math, why not talk to the teacher about the situation? I'm not a math teacher but I am a teacher, and if you were a parent of a kid in my classroom I would probably 1) help you understand that struggling and even occasional frustration is good for a kid, 2) show you the protections I have in place for kids' grades when they are making the effort to understand and just not getting it yet, and 3) make sure to talk to your kid and tell her she should be proud of herself for persevering through her homework even though it was tough. And 4) keep a close eye on your kid in class and make sure she's struggling the right amount and not getting super frustrated. Some kids are tough to read, man, and even the best of us sometimes can't tell when a kid is hyper-focused and kicking rear end or silently hoping that if they stare at their paper hard enough it will swallow them whole. Parent feedback in that case is super valuable, otherwise we sometimes don't find out until the quiz/test/whatever and that just adds unnecessary stress for the kid. Even when I have the time to call a parent just to check on their kid, it's really awkward. Parents get really vaguely suspicious about it and it's hard to navigate. "Shouldn't YOU know how my kid is doing in your class?" That sort of thing.
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Necc0 posted:No the emails were actually deleted but the FBI was able to recover a bunch of them during their investigation into the people she was talking to. Remember email is a two way street where every email sent has to be received and vice versa- so just because she deleted them didn't mean that they were completely gone. Thank you for this! I was so unsure about what i remembered I wanted to make sure before I said anything like that to anyone else! I swear, Im trying to keep up with so much information, I actually have a .doc file setup so I can hunt for quick responses.
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Guy A. Person posted:This is so rear end backwards it is astounding if true (I'm sure I have to be missing some nuance). BTW, if you're at some incomprehensibly high metric already, you're not excused from the improvement ratio. So your already solid school/program could still be under scrutiny. You can also fail to meet it specifically if a segment of your students doesn't reach the goal -- i.e. your 10th grade class has a bunch of English Learners and they dragged down the overall growth. Oh, and also, if you're one of those area that received a bunch of English Learners from Iraq, Syria, El Salvador, or any other high-emmigrant nations, congrats! Their testing makes no accommodation for the fact that they learned to speak English 2 weeks ago, and their performance is weighted equally against students that are US Natives and have been speaking the language all their lives.
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FilthyImp posted:Nope, not really. You're expected to meet a certain criteria (Last Year's Scores + X%, usually a 5-10% increase) every year. Miss that mark for two years and you'll be put on a kind of probationary Program Improvement status. Keep missing that mark and you'll be reconstituted by the state or local government (basically taken over) or be sold to charters. Probationary status will probably cut into your ability to provide literacy, language and mathematics coaches to help the students that are struggling, but that shouldn't hurt your scores next year, right? 
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You don't even need a source, just the "oh, so you think a court appointed lawyer shouldn't defend their client? I'm sorry, I thought this America. The constitution garuntees that he be given a fair trial and that his lawyer defend him. Are you attacking Hillary Clinton for upholding the constitution?"
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I certainly don't mean to blame or disparage all teachers. We just really weren't happy with our specific situation last year. I am on board with the idea of common core. We just had a rough time last year with not having a full time teacher for half the year and the teaching was very inconsistent. It seemed like they were forcing alternative methods even when the kids knew how to do the problem one way, and in my mind the method should be up to the individual students as long as they are comfortable and it makes sense to them and they are getting the correct answer.
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Guy I work with flipped out about common core and pulled his daughter out of the charter school and put her back in the public school system. Which should feel like a win but he does dumb poo poo like this all the time over any fad he hears about. He put his daughter on a gluten free diet because she's a little chunky for her age, ran in zero drop shoes, and wants to move his family of 4 into a tiny house.
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SedanChair posted:Well no wonder you don't have any time, you just spent all that time rebutting something I never said  which ends next week  I try to keep politics out of the classroom, but one of my classes asked me if I was going to vote for Trump this coming election and before I could respond another student said, "Miss Nomer would never vote for Trump, she's not a racist!". Say what you want about kids these days, but they are much more informed about politics when I was their age. I don't remember ever really thinking about any up coming election that much until I was in college.
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