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QuarkJets posted:us politics has never been better but i feel like we might be building up a resistance to insane conservative politicians, to get the same high in 2020 we're going to need some real awesome candidates, like maybe a for-real white nationalist with a big swastika on his forehead, running against sarah palin after she's been possessed by the ghost of mussolini, and herman cain will show up again because he's pretty cool we do not deserve Herman Cain, he's too good for us
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Quick someone photoshop him into a pokemon "ash" hat. I knew he was a barely closeted pokemon fan. ...you know he actually quoted the Pokemon movie in a speech, right? Cain's run was surreal
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Aug 1, 2016 14:18
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If anyone cares, 538 no longer shows a narrow lead for Trump in any of their polls, and in Polls Plus and Now he's showing >60% for Hillary. Another good poll or two for Clinton and she should be back in the 70% range. Which would make me feel a lot better.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:22
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Oxxidation posted:It's still a bounce, so things are going to normalize again over the next few weeks. But if Hillary can maintain positive visibility while Trump keeps screaming at war widows and declaring war on Constantinople, the gap should hold. It is a bounce, but it's a surprisingly large one since it should, in theory, have been limited by the opposition's bounce. I think she'll keep a few points of it for a while.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:36
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Geostomp posted:I want to know just what it would take for them to realize Trump is not "the lesser of two evils" or realize that "worship sessions" for a man who is the embodiment of multiple classical Deadly Sins might not be a good thing. Is hating gay people, Muslims, or immigrants the only "morality" they think matters? "Christian" is who they are as a personal identity, not really a system they follow. While technically they could leave their religion, being Christian is, to them, more like the cultural identity of being American or Southern or Blue Collar. So the rules aren't actually important, it's more about declaring yourself as part of a group and certain other groups as being "other".
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Aug 1, 2016 14:40
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computer parts posted:Yeah, that's how most religious people operate. Oh yeah, I wasn't really trying to drop exciting new truths, more saying it's just something to remember. I wonder what percentage of evangelicals aren't really cognizant of the fact that poor African-Americans are pretty religious, simply because they mentally model them as "other" and they themselves are religious.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:59
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sonatinas posted:Can someone explain to me why Russia is the new boogeyman now? I know that they have some political clout with veto power on the security council and there are concerns about hacking but it seems like it's going to be Red Dawn to these people any second now. ...they recently invaded a sovereign nation and claimed part of it as their own?
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Aug 1, 2016 18:42
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A Winner is Jew posted:No. Most people don't want another W in the office.
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Aug 1, 2016 19:42
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zoux posted:Wouldn't the fact that more people say Trump is better on economics but more people saying they're voting for the other person go more to the other point. It's a good demonstration that people have literally no idea what economics is. Trade Chat Troll posted:I didn't follow the thread at the time, what became of the whole "Trump leaks classified information" story? It wasn't true.
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Aug 2, 2016 18:25
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gregday posted:The wind killing all our birds is the worst part about solar. duh, I've heard about solar winds before
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Aug 2, 2016 20:00
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/teddyschleifer/status/759831235900248064 It's time for everyone's friendly reminder that Von Mises believed that observational data couldn't counter his theories, they were such pure underlying truths of the universe
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Aug 2, 2016 23:04
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Kobayashi posted:Words can't express how much I want to see Trump and his idiotic true believer followers annihilated in a 50-state sweep. I want Democrats at all levels to run up the score so obscenely that Hillary rides into office with both houses of Congress at her back. I want her to spend mid-September onward as shadow president, ensuring the smoothest transition of administrations in modern history. I want her to ram through every goddamn milquetoast proposal the Democratic party can muster ahead of 2018. I want her to rule over with ruthless technocratic competence, and for 2016 to go down in history as the price old, white idiots pay for flying too close to the idiot sun. What a time to be alive. Get a load of this guy! He wants the political party that most aligns with his beliefs to win A LOT
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Aug 3, 2016 03:00
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Doctor Butts posted:Whoop de doo. GOP may turn on Trump. That will do nothing except embolden Trump supporters since it adds to his Anti-Establishment credentials. His supporters are not a large enough demographic to win an election. They need moderates to win.
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Aug 3, 2016 15:25
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Charlz Guybon posted:Her being ignorant, doesn't mean Trump also wasn't ignorant. Consider that he hired her
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Aug 3, 2016 15:35
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Kilroy posted:I went to the atom bomb museum in Hiroshima this afternoon. It's pretty gut-wrenching. Well that's my atom bomb story. thank you for your story
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Aug 3, 2016 16:12
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Roflan posted:http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/08/03/georgia-republican-says-he-might-withhold-electoral-college-vote-from-donald-trump/ no no no, that's also very bad. The electoral college has enough problems without the electorate worrying if they'll follow the people's votes.
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Aug 3, 2016 18:11
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gradenko_2000 posted:I do agree that optics-wise it looks bad, especially if you want to avoid the spectre of an illegitimate election. Given that some people think the entire Dem Primary was literally a fix. edit: thanks both of you for the info that previous electors had been faithless before. I didn't know that
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Aug 3, 2016 18:21
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Clinton currently sitting at 85% on the NowCast. Nate Silver drew one hell of a fish!
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Aug 3, 2016 20:44
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The NowCast has Hillary taking 360 EVs lol If the trend continues, we're talking about a complete and total stomp.
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Aug 4, 2016 14:50
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bowser posted:How long has the GOP base been so angry? For all the Trump hate I see from liberals there are very few calls to imprison or hang him. A big part of it is not having the presidency - there was a lot of similar talk from the fringe left (well, not so much by elected officials...) during the Bush years targeting Bush, especially if you go back and watch footage of the antiwar rallies (which nearly stopped as soon as Obama was elected, because they weren't functionally antiwar rallies, they were antiBush rallies).
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Antti posted:Talk radio and the Clinton presidency (i.e. the GOP losing power) can be called the next phase, I suppose.
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Aug 4, 2016 15:11
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I've never been persuaded by the argument that it's better to keep American jobs than it is to give Mexicans jobs. Yes, the jobs they get are lower paid and have less worker rights than American equivalents, but the improvement of the Mexican worker's life against the harm to the American worker's life seems, to me, to overwhelmingly cause a net good. (there are of course exceptions if the company is being radically unethical)
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Aug 4, 2016 19:48
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Noam Chomsky posted:If they didn't need NAFTA then why was it lobbied for? Why did the GOP push it so hard?
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Aug 4, 2016 19:50
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straight up brolic posted:it also is a scenario in which the concept of trickle down economics may actually be valuable because of diminishing returns to quality of life after a certain point. Yeah, that's a big part of it. If we took somebody's yearly salary from $5,000 a year to $10,000 a year VS a person in the US had to sell their house because they lost a job, our instinct is to think how horrible it is that the person lost their house. But the person who went from "crushing poverty" to "merely poverty" has had his life radically transformed, whereas it is sad that a person lost their house but their day-to-day living might be nearly identical. I'm obviously just making numbers up off the top of my head, so don't take this as a real example.
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Aug 4, 2016 19:58
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Noam Chomsky posted:Eh, there is no helping this discussion. I just find it weird that the same four or five posters march lockstep with eachother on certain points and all show up in certain discussions like this to shout down, hard, anyone against their pet policies or people. I don't care about getting dogpiled but I'd at least like some variety. Certain posters are stupid self-congratulatory idiots and consistently the worst poster in the thread, also.
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Aug 4, 2016 20:02
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Noam Chomsky posted:Well, you're one of the group I was calling out. So... I'm completely aware of that, but it doesn't make you in any way, shape, or form not consistently one of the worst posters in this thread. Contribute something, anything of value to any discussion that isn't masturbatory and people will stop dogpiling you.
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Aug 4, 2016 20:08
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axeil posted:Also, can we talk for a bit about how mindblowing it is that we are on the cusp of a trade agreement with Vietnam!? 40 years ago we were bombing the crap out of each other and now we're at the point we're negotiating free trade agreements.
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Aug 4, 2016 20:21
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axeil posted:Touche. I was being a bit dickish - it is actually super cool. I'm super excited about improved relations with Cuba, too. Trade-as-anti-war is great, too.
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Also, here's a fun one - if you scroll down on the NowCast: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now There are TEN states that don't have a Democratic victory within margin of error - and that's it.
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Aug 4, 2016 20:40
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According to Trump, had Bernie gone in hard on the E-mails, he would have won the primary. Source: just said it
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Noam Chomsky posted:Nah, this can't be true. It's bad and doesn't work! ...is your proposal that a law was passed in the United States, therefore it is a good law? Doctor Butts posted:Please Trump. Say something dumb again soon. He said he'd fix everything, and railed on E-mails for a while. Said that Tim Kaine isn't popular in Virginia and is bad, but Mike Pence is very good. He seems exhausted.
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Aug 4, 2016 21:17
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Noam Chomsky posted:I got defensive because the typical group of posters were saying things just like the bolded, which I never said. All you're doing is talking about yourself constantly, please shut up 90% of this has been posting about posting
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Aug 4, 2016 21:42
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TVarmy posted:There has to be some kind of limit in polls-only and polls-plus forecasts on FiveThirtyEight, right? Because this far out, there's still a big number of unknowns and possibilities. Like those charts on weather that shows a cone of where a hurricane could go, and a dark red cone of where it's most likely to go. Has Nate Silver ever said if there's a floor for this? Because as much as I'd bet for Clinton at this point, I admit there's still strange-rear end futures where she could lose. But it'd call for a Trump Pivot that keeps his base, Clinton loving up on unprecedented levels, and a series of horrible tragedies Trump could safely spin in his favor. I'm saying, we have to be near that floor, and we're considering the bit of the yellow cone where Hurricane Donny does a 180 degree turn and starts raining blood instead of water. Those external variables are the reason it's not basically at 100% right now.
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Aug 4, 2016 21:50
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SquadronROE posted:He is literally going to find a way to weasel out of the debates, or send Pence to debate Clinton. He's already a maverick and doesn't Play By Their Rules, so this won't result in anything bad happening to him. ...As Trump rapidly loses like 15 points in the polls, are we still harping on "NOTHING TOUCHES HIM"?
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Aug 4, 2016 21:52
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FactsAreUseless posted:I love when liberals suddenly come out in favor of brutal punishments for people they dislike, it's cute. Way to stand by your principles. Is this a joke or can you not read?
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! Trump's up .2 from where he was a few hours ago! :arzy:
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Aug 5, 2016 04:28
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CommieGIR posted:As if it needed to be any more obvious that his not guilty verdict was wrong and he likely did escalate the situation. Seems to me this lends more credence to the idea of Martin jumping him, since he's clearly the type of rear end in a top hat you punch in the jaw at first opportunity
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Aug 5, 2016 05:06
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SedanChair posted:I also saw the Soul Plane. African-American businesses great to see! #MakeAmericaGreatAgain Speaking of Trump's Taco Tweet... I've seen multiple instances from Conservatives on Facebook saying "See, the Democrats are the REAL RACISTS" because of the E-mail where they used the phrase "taco bowl engagement" to mock Trump. It's super annoying because it's actually fairly complex to explain why they weren't racist, Trump was.
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Aug 5, 2016 15:20
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Pleasing Shape posted:They were mocking this on Chris Hayes last night. It's from a rally where she says "we aren't going to raise taxes on the middle class." Due to her accent "aren't" comes out like "ARnt" and the Trump ad subtitles it "are." The immediately preceding line is about making the tax rules for the middle class fairer, plus the fact that the crowd loving cheers makes it one of the most deceptive ads I have ever seen. For anyone who wants to see the clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ua13_gYQn0 I have to admit that I heard "are", but my assumption is that she meant to say something other than "upper class", because the whole content of what she said before hand was the exact opposite of that.
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Lightning Knight posted:To continue this weeks' theme, everyone should watch, laugh at, and remember Obama dunking on Trump, at the 2011 White House Correspondent's Dinner for his birtherism and bullshit opinions, remembering that this was also when we got Osama. There's a theory that it was at that very dinner that "candidate Trump" was born. Which would have previously horrified me, but considering how bad he's tanking I'm OK with.
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