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Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Inferior Third Season posted:

Not really.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/donald_trump_is_unfit_to_be_president_here_are_141_reasons_why.html

Your brain just sort of shuts down about 20 deep into it, and you no longer get an emotional response from anything else on the list. It's sort of like how severe frostbite is described. At a certain point, the nerves die and the brain realizes it is no longer beneficial to send pain signals. All that's left to look forward to is that last burst of adrenalin and endorphins, but it's probably not coming until late October.

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the actual strategy of the handful of non-yes men in Trump's campaign: let him spew his gibberish until the public goes completely numb.

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Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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I'm kind of waiting until we get to the point where Trump shows he doesn't even know where the Mexican border for his magical wall actually is.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Cardboard Box A posted:

http://samuelwhitefield.com/1811/four-issues-to-consider-before-you-vote-trump-what-is-really-at-stake

They know enough to know what Trump is saying and doing is wrong, and yet they are still supporting him.

Why? Because we are never compelled by our ideals like we are by our loves. And when you look at Donald Trump through the shared loves of the evangelical Culture, he starts to make perfect sense.

Evangelicals don’t believe in Donald Trump as much as they love Donald Trump and all that Donald Trump represents. Watch these rallies and you will quickly see they have nothing to do with inspiring ideas and hopeful policies; they’re worship services. And standing on the stage before the great throng of longing souls is the manifestation of their common love feeding their hungry hearts with his nonsense.


Holy poo poo

I want to know just what it would take for them to realize Trump is not "the lesser of two evils" or realize that "worship sessions" for a man who is the embodiment of multiple classical Deadly Sins might not be a good thing. Is hating gay people, Muslims, or immigrants the only "morality" they think matters?

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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FlamingLiberal posted:

Now Corey Lewandowski is on CNN claiming that 'the Khans' son wouldn't have died had Trump been president at that time'.

They are getting more and more desperate to somehow salvage Trump's idiocy. I wonder how far they'll go for the next stupid thing he says. By November, the sky's the limit.


theflyingorc posted:

For these people, their religion functions more like an ethnic identity than it does an actual moral framework.

"Christian" is who they are as a personal identity, not really a system they follow. While technically they could leave their religion, being Christian is, to them, more like the cultural identity of being American or Southern or Blue Collar. So the rules aren't actually important, it's more about declaring yourself as part of a group and certain other groups as being "other".

At least now the world can see that they don't give the slightest drat about what they're religion actually says. All they care about is using it to demonize the Other, whoever that is at the moment, and making themselves look more "moral." Though I doubt any lessons will stick since they've completely ignored the GOP's FYGM philosophy and belligerent attacks until this point.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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SpiderHyphenMan posted:

Republicans don't have memory spans.

Same as ever, on that front. Fox depends on them not being able to remember a week ago clearly.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Nelson Mandingo posted:

I am amazed Donald Trump is keeping the feud with the Khans alive.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-idUSKCN10C2GO

Well, yeah. He's being called out for it by a lot of people and can't stifle his ego long enough to give any kind of apology like a big boy politician. Especially since he relies so heavily on his base hating all Muslims.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

The fact that almost everyone who says they'll rise up in insurrection to PROTECT ARE FREEDOMS is actually fundamentally a coward.

Remember how quickly Malhuer folded when faced with actual force? How the remaining idiots went from chest-beating, to begging for aid from the millions they were certain would support their cause, to insisting they were "just camping"? I expect that level of "patriotism" from the crowd demanding it now.

That said, the sheer number of white supremacists crawling out of the woodwork for Trump, does worry me.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Inferior Third Season posted:

I'm really interested in seeing how the Olympics will be interpreted through the American political lens, if it's even half the clusterfuck it's shaping up to be.

Seeing people literally swimming through raw sewage and contracting diseases is a powerful argument for the need for competent government and infrastructure investment. But street gangs wantonly mugging people and maybe even murdering them, potentially all caught live on camera, is the type of thing that could benefit a xenophobic strong man candidate.

It'll likely be spit down the middle as always:

People who pay attention to the situation will see that Brazil's government is corrupt and failing in important ways, more democrat leaning sources will state that they need real regulation while the right wingers will try to turn it into support for their xenophobia, racism, and "government can't do anything right (please give us full control of the government)" narrative.

I fully expect it all to fade away from the public eye fairly quickly just like Sochi's incredibly rampant corruption unless a very large percentage of the athletes come home with chronic disease or stab wounds.

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Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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waitwhatno posted:

Eurogoon here, how the gently caress is Trump polling at ~40%? How is ~40% of your voting population ready to elect that clown?

Seriously, I stopped even trying to explain to old people how this is possible. At first I tried to do all the "everyone is fed up with the establishment" and "dog whistle racism" spiel, but after the last couple of weeks, I don't even know what the gently caress is going on anymore myself. All he is saying is that he is great and will be the best at everything, over and over again, that's literally his entire program. He is not even conning people, he just outright behaves like a small child, openly.

Besides what others have said, a not insignificant number of our populace is old, scared white people. They get all their news from sources as honest as Fox News while most networks are determined to equate both parties to avoid appearance of bias. As such, we get honest debates treating even well-established scientific findings like global warming as equivalent to an "expert" who claims that wind is a non-renewable resource, unlike oil. So many people don't really understand anything about politics or issues, instead just going by party loyalty or whichever seems to support their pet issues the loudest, simplest way. Some take this so far that they just assume that the parties need to trade off just to be "fair".

Besides that, racism, Islamophobia, and anti-LBGT feelings are all alive and well. Some see this election as their last chance to make America turn back from what they see as a horrible future where someone other than old white people have a firm say.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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waitwhatno posted:

I'm not trying to imply that Europe is any less on a slow march to fascism, that's not the incomprehensible part. It's that the population is ready to hand the key to the most important office in the country to a character from the Jersey Shore. He is mentally a child, that's what gets me.

The German Trump equivalent has a PhD in Chemistry and founded her own company. The French Trump equivalent has a law degree. They are all grown up people, that have shown a basic level competence and skill throughout life. Trump is a child. Even if you are a racist hick from bumfuck nowhere, you can still spot a bad lawyer, doctor or a bad cashier at a supermarket.

He's rich, loud, and has his name on a lot of businesses. The fact that most of those have been run into the ground, he's fleeced thousands with his sham university, or that he had to start with a "small million dollar loan from dad" doesn't mean anything to those who support him. They cannot comprehend the details surrounding him and write off any mention of them as an attack. Success can only come from personal merit, therefore, he must have a lot of personal merit that others are just too jealous to admit.

The real thing with Trump is that his groupies really want to be him one day. They want to be rich, powerful, and able to "tell it like it is" with no consequences. He's a caricature of what they think success sounds like because they've been well trained to see it that way by their media like talk radio. in a big scary world where problems they were assured were solved decades ago are coming to fore, someone who acts like the ultimate strongman reassuring them that their views are all correct and that he'll just crush all they fear without them having to personally change sounds like manna from Heaven. To some, Trump is the embodiment of all they have been taught to admire and truly believe that if he were in power, all would be right with the world.

Besides that, good old fashioned racism fuels others. Even if they can admit that Trump doesn't know what he's doing, they like that he's willing to stick it to the uppity brown Other for daring the question the natural order of old white people having all the authority.

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Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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FactsAreUseless posted:

Racism is not imposed from above. It can be exploited, but it isn't a consequence of the class system. Racism starts at home; it is a consequence of culture, family, media, and personal experience. Obviously there are intersections of race and class, important ones, but racism is not a creation of the upper class.

Yes, but the exploitation of the upper class can and does lead to it gaining much more legitimacy in public policy as the Southern Strategy has shown.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Granted, he's on is way out, but seeing how horrible Trump is admitted by Republicans is always welcome. Too bad so few admit that it was their stances that allowed this orange money golem to take control of their rubes.


TheBigAristotle posted:

The political death of Paul Ryan might be my favorite non-Trump Trump story.


And now for the latest dispatch from the psychos at Breitbart, desperately trying to find a way to smear the father of a fallen soldier:

:siren:Panic Mode: Khizr Khan Deletes Law Firm Website that Specialized in Muslim Immigration:siren:

This is almost as funny as their story that the media was apologetic after Trump said he was "just kidding" about asking Russia to hack the DNC more.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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I love the idea of Trump being such an uncontrollable idiot that even a foreign plant trying to manipulate him for power realizes that he's just not worth the effort. He's too stupid to even be a "useful idiot".

EDIT:

Better yet, the idea that what we hear from Trump is actually the cleaned up version that they managed to salvage. What sort of completely vile clueless egotism would we get otherwise?

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Spiritus Nox posted:

If I had to pick, I would place my personal bet on there being rampant harassment and particularly sexual harassment among staffers.

Low hanging fruit on that prediction.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Zonekeeper posted:

So the GOP spends almost a quarter of a century in a nonstop smear campaign to keep Hillary out of the White House, and then the entire plot gets derailed when an orange gremlin swipes the GOP nomination from under their noses and manages to turn the party on itself less than a week after the primaries end.

Beautiful.

Nominee Trump is the best gift the Republicans have ever given Hillary.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Gyges posted:

Why would Jews be any different than anyone else? There are only two people Trump will never trash talk. Himself, and Ivanka. Everyone else is but a moment of pique from getting both barrels of the Trump Rage.

Probably because it's the only thing separating him from completing the Nazi image. That and it might show indirect support of Muslims in the eyes of the idiots he has supporting him.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Roflan posted:

That makes me think that perhaps one of Hillary's priorities should be instituting some sort of sanity check in the use of nuclear weapons. Because given the state of the republican party and the stupidity of the electorate, someone with a blase attitude towards nukes getting the presidency seems inevitable.

I blame Cold War propaganda on a lot of the idiocy we get from Boomers on the use of nuclear weapons.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Have we ever had a candidate have such a spectacular meltdown after the primaries before?

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Nessus posted:

J. Random Democrat would probably be doing like 1% better because they wouldn't have had 25 years of demonization, but they would remain a DemonRAT who is going to steal your infants, abort them, and then make them marry gayly.

If Bernie Sanders had been the nominee they would have just had less of a head start on making GBS threads on him. Jesus Christ could run for President on the Democratic ticket and Republicans would say the same poo poo about Him.

I could honestly see the stories about letting a dangerous, liberal, hippie socialist who doesn't howl for blood with brown skin from the Middle East being given power if Christ himself was a Democratic nominee.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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FairGame posted:

This list could go on for days. Does it matter? Are there really people out there who are voting for Trump that would look at any of the godawful things about him and say "holy poo poo! I didn't know THAT. This changes my mind!"

Trump voters have to be the most calcified because there is no other way he should even have one percent of the vote.

From what I've seen, the most stubborn Trump supporters only respond to his idiocy by doubling down even harder to save their pride. Giving up would mean admitting the Enemy is right or, more importantly, that you are wrong/fooled by an obvious conman. The Sunk Costs Fallacy is a good component of them.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Fangz posted:

The view comes from the fact that the right wing media barrages them with anti-Obama stories 24/7, and then claim that Obama is in the news too much.

Yeah. We have to remember that these people see reality filtered through right wing propaganda media. They despise other sources of information for "bias" because they don't give them the confirmation of the narrative they agree with. They get genuinely offended and distressed when they hear anything that does not support their own personal idea of how the world works. For them, the right wing blogshpere or Foxe News are the safe spaces they need to function.

In a very real sense, hardcore conservatives do not live in the same world as everyone else.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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FilthyImp posted:

He wrote two books talking about himself!
He ordered Arugula for his burger! At Whole Foods!
He asked for Dijon Mustard once!
There's a picture of him looking up with his eyes closed that makes him look self-centered!

Basically a self-secure Black man with power scares the poo poo out of some people so they have to reassure themselves that he isn't really all that powerful he's just full of himself.

You can just feel Republicans barely suppressing the urge to shout "uppity negro" at the top of their lungs every time he makes a speech.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

No Fucks Obama is best Obama

After seven and a half years of Republican bullshit, it really, really is. This has got to be some massive catharsis.

FuzzySlippers posted:

This is why I'm actually really happy about all the press and poll results Johnson is getting. Libertarians are dumb, but they hold actual political opinions. Like things you can debate and point to data about. Compared to a lot of the right wing which currently just have vague emotional ideas they yell about so there's not much room to comprise or discuss.

The worst is the freedom caucus which is essentially the party of toddlers throwing a fit when they are tired but don't want to take a nap. They don't know anything, don't want to know anything, but they know they are mad about it. They are a party within the party and would probably bolt given a chance. Maybe Trump pushes for this after the election claiming the Republican elite sabotaged his campaign?

Tactically if centrist Republicans think Libertarians have a chance and use that as a refuge to reject both Trump and Hillary it'll benefit the dems tremendously especially if they stay there. I hope the Libertarians push more on a state level after the election so they get some representation in the house and senate.

If this fall is an election massacre imagine ending up with republicans, freedom, and libertarians splitting the right?

Its a sad day when the Libertarians are more of a rational political entity than most of one of the two major parties, but you're right. Economics can be debated, bigoted nationalism and mindless rage cannot.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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How hard up for fame are you when you depend on the story of you murdering an innocent teenager for recognition?

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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The man is incapable of ever admitting error.

Jackson Taus posted:

No, the only reason the Tea Party assholes/House Freedom Caucus have had ANY power is because of the refusal to work with Democrats.

If they actually do anything their base would tear them apart for being "impure."

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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This whole election is some from of elaborate scam for him. That's the only way I can rationalize someone this stupid and corrupt running so high.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Crow Jane posted:

Let's not forget that you have to literally cancel your credit card if you want to stop your monthly contribution to his campaign.

To be more blunt: he's actually robbing his own supporters now. This is the man the Republicans have pinned their hopes on.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Donkwich posted:

I'm the sad Frylock in the picture


So basically Unskewed Polls 2: Unskew Harder.

I hope the GOP keeps making their own delusional echo chamber every election cycle.

It is always hilarious to see the floundering with their delusions. Especially with Trump where they have to desperately tiptoe around the fact that he's spewing their talking points all the time while they try to condemn him.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Again, the Evangelicals show that they truly don't give a drat about the religion they claim to represent and support whoever seems like he'll hurt those they hate the most. Same reason they decide that the gayness is the greatest of evils while murdering millions of brown people is doing God's work.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Yinlock posted:

loving savage :drat:

The Hillary Campaign's attack ad game is on point, and it's just "Literally state what Trump has said and done"

He's the gift that keeps on giving. Now all she has to do is keep him firmly attached to the main Republicans so they feel the full weight of his failure.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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ColdPie posted:

This has to be one of the most galling things Republicans have done in recent memory. They didn't even try to sugarcoat it by saying the candidate needed a long vetting process or they were too busy on other stuff. They just straight up said nah, Democratic presidencies last three years now. Deal with it.


vyelkin posted:

Two years, really. One of their biggest talking points was "Obama may have gotten a mandate in 2012, but we got a mandate to stop him in 2014". If Scalia had died on February 1, 2015, there would have been a two year Supreme Court vacancy. The precedent they're trying to set isn't Democrats only get two years, it's that every two years the concept of a mandate resets to whoever won the most recent Congressional elections (as long as Republicans won those), so presidential terms only last two years.

It's one of the most childish things I've seen a major party do in my lifetime short of the shutdown. They all but said that the rules only matter when it benefits our party. Everybody else can suck it.

It should have been shouted from all sources as proof that the Republicans refuse to do their jobs if they can't get their way, but we still have to stick with it. I really do hope it's part of Hillary's campaign this year to show just how deep the Republican temper tantrum goes.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Stereotype posted:

The witchhunt of Clinton for basically nothing after nearly a decade of positive policies and enormous economic growth in order to win an election exemplifies Republicans: They don't give a poo poo about America they just want to win.

"drat these progressive policies worked really well, I guess we should be monsters and make the guy who fixed everything look like a pervert because our ideas don't work at all" -Republicans of 1999 and also right now

Like we need more evidence of that. Remember, they have spent eight years deliberately sabotaging as much as possible to prevent anything positive occurring that they couldn't claim responsibility for.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Are they that desperate? All their "scandals" failed, so falling is all they have?

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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I think what pleases me most is that this is really gonna fuel the "Fox News is turning evil liberal" sentiment that the craziest of the Trumpers have. When Murdoch's precious propaganda isn't delusional or regressive enough, you know that your movement is in big trouble.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Elmnt80 posted:

Guys, I know you hate southern states and all, but there are some sane people here. Please don't leave me at the mercy of Governer Voldemort when a hurricane destroys everything I own because I like fishing and swimming in the gulf and don't want to deal with snow and salted roads. <3

I'm from Arkansas. I am painfully aware of what it's like to live where Republicans are desperate to break everything and voters are idiots who love bigots.



Ages posted:

Man, that's got to be embarrassing.

But I guess a degree of shamelessness is required to be that nakedly partisan.

You have no idea the depths of two-time Pulitzer Prize winner Mike Rameriez's shamelessness and immunity to facts. We're lucky he didn't label Biden with the word "DEBT" like he does everything else.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Samurai Sanders posted:

The only lesson I'm getting from this election is that an ignorant blowhard rear end in a top hat virtuoso like Trump can still get like 30-40% of the country behind him. I'm never going to look at the average guy on the street in America the same way again.

If nothing else has done it, this election proves that voters really don't pay attention to what's happening unless it's completely insane and are incredibly vulnerable to a conman. You could run a cardboard cutout that spews racist slogans when you pull a string and still get at least a third of the country supporting it.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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sean10mm posted:

A lot of Trump's support isn't just checking the R box out of habit though, it's strong enthusiasm for Trump himself. A lot of (mostly old, white and male) Americans just like open race hate and fascism.

Don't forget he young white male rear end in a top hat alt-right demographic. They love Trump because he seems like he hates all the things they do: women, minorities, and people who question their natural right to rule everything. Like the older demographic, but without the need for a coherent ideology behind the hatred.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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CommieGIR posted:

Trump's first Executive Actions upon getting in office, per his twitter:

Suspend All Regulations.

Because of course he will.

So he's got to be a prank, right? Nobody could be this stupid, could they?

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

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Uranium 235 posted:

So he's the kid running for class president who says he'll make it so we get pizza for lunch every day.

I shudder to think what his equivalents of "less homework" and "more recess" will entail.

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Oct 22, 2008

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theflyingorc posted:

you're right, he's claiming that all that he has to do to end outsourcing is lower the tax rate on businesses in America

he's actually stupid

and he still sounds really tired, though not as much as the other day

lol, the death tax.

yes, inheritance is where they get the middle and lower class, not multibillionaires

PJ's Trump meltdown sounds more and more accurate. He's going to completly explode at any debate.

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