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Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
I'm the sad Frylock in the picture

BurntCornMuffin posted:

He thinks his base is all he needs because he's bought into SILENT MAJORITY.

So basically Unskewed Polls 2: Unskew Harder.

I hope the GOP keeps making their own delusional echo chamber every election cycle.

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Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer

SedanChair posted:

Look at that picture. Is this family living inside a cult 90s TV show about a terrible inventor dad and his wacky schemes?

Basically, yes.

quote:

Heene had pursued careers in acting and stand-up comedy without success and, for a time, he and his wife ran a home business producing demo reels for actors. Heene is a handyman and an amateur scientist, whom associates have called "a shameless self-promoter who would do almost anything to advance his latest endeavor".

I feel so bad for his kids.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
^^ Some of them retconned GWB as 'not a true conservative' as well.


T... time to leave?

Ice Phisherman posted:

I think what's one of the most awful and condescending things about the election is that Hillary is being hit with the cheating scandals of her husband as if she is some sort of extension of him even as a presidential hopeful. How dare she be cheated on?

I think Trump earlier this year suggested Hillary enabled Bill to cheat, which the right clinged onto.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer

Zophar posted:

It would something else if both seaboards became Dem strongholds.
WE SURROUND THEM

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
I wouldn't be surprised if the Twitter account manager mistook the photo for Benghazi.

Or maybe Hillary is concealing her Death Note device in her hand if you look carefully enough.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
The Big Giant Head wanted Bin Laden dead.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
I wouldn't be surprised if there were actually Holocaust-denying Bernouts, which would be fittingly :ironicat:

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
My pet theory of Trump and Trump supporters is that they secretly want him to lose, so that after any perceived failing of the Clinton administration they can pull out the "don't blame me, I voted for the whiteorange nationalist :smug:". Losing means you don't have to prove how awful of a president you would've been, and can play the vindicated hindsight card of "I would've implemented this horrible policy that I just thought of and it would've been great but oh well"

Edit: Also his 2nd amendment comments and later 'clarification' is another tactic he pulls on a regular basis. He says whatever repugnant poo poo he wants to say, and if anyone calls him out he and his supporters come up with a different interpretation and insist that the media are being dishonest about what he actually meant. It helps that Trump speaks ambiguously enough, since he doesn't have anything concrete to say.

Donkwich fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Aug 9, 2016

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
Surely Trump isn't a big fan of the 2nd amendment, since it has the words well-regulated in it.

e:

A Winner is Jew posted:

I mean he wasn't biting a pillow for nothing. :v:

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer

Doccers posted:

So Mussolini's militia was the Blackshirts, Hitler's militia was the Brownshirts, will Trumps militia be the Redshirts?

(Star trek reference ahoy)

The Orangeshirts.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
The FCC used to enforce the Fairness Doctrine to actually give contrasting views airtime , but they no longer do that. The Equal Time rule for candidates is still in effect.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
I've heard the French have very strict copyright laws because they consider author's works to have moral and cultural rights. Europe's copyright strictness came before America's but now that America cares about its IP a lot they've taken that torch from Europe.

The copyright stuff in the TPP is annoying, but what's really bad is the potential for drug prices to massively increase in the developing world due to how drug patents may be enforced. (An IP expert can share more details on how true this is.)

But the EFF is good and equivocating them with the RIAA is just absurd to me.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
The usual strategy for gerrymandering is to "pack and crack" districts by compacting the opposition party's voters into the same district so their votes are wasted on electing only one representative, while the rest of the opposition party's voters are cracked amongst the rest of the districts your party is supposed to win.

That means the margin of victory is smaller in those districts than those in the opposition, and thus theoretically easier to flip.



The main problem is that congressional incumbents are generally and notoriously hard to get rid of anyway, so an easier margin of victory to overcome doesn't necessarily translate to an easier time flipping the district. But gerrymandered districts have been flipped before, and if the state parties effectively get out the vote and nominate good candidates there's definitely an opportunity to flip the House.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
Hello Master Trump

e: The Obsessive Sycophant scale is off the charts with this one.

Donkwich fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Aug 10, 2016

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
CNN's basically been doing that for the past 8 years or so. I remember when they were at least semi-respectable, if a little hawkish. I don't know what the gently caress they're doing now, and likely neither do they. Peak CNN was when they gave that Malaysian flight black hole theory any credence whatsoever.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer

Mantis42 posted:

Then there are those people who kind of realize that thinks are hosed up and that business and government tend to collude a lot, so they turn to libertarianism as a kind of 'babies first ideology'. Either they stay in a bubble of middle class privilege and are never challenged on the specifics of their beliefs, turning into Penn Jillette style weirdos, or, after getting hosed over by the private sector enough, they either grow out of it or evolve into radical leftists.

I might talk about this more in the toxic ideologies thread, but this was me for a couple of my teenage years, except replace middle class with impoverished and on welfare. I remember being a big fan of Ron Paul, even buying his book. Thinking about the logical conclusions of libertarianism (horrible private dictatorships, etc.), reading crazier libertarian literature (Rothbard talking about selling children) and talking with nutty libertarians online disillusioned me from continuing down the rabbit hole.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer

Le Saboteur posted:

We live in the greatest timeline. God loves us. https://twitter.com/sopandeb/status/763542390149898240

https://twitter.com/RoyLiuzza/status/763545053448904704

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
Please share more about the plight of the plucky little tobacco companies.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
Ideally he'd make another brag about how great his health is.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
Considering the Cato Institute has also lobbied to re-legalize child labor, the tobacco shilling isn't even the worst thing they've done.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
Can't wait to see more :qq: MEDIA MEAN :qq: tweets and political cartoons from that cover.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
I know that Mussolini's granddaughter is an active fascist in Italy, and there are other self-described fascists in Italian politics. It's weird, but I guess Europe's parliamentary systems allow for the political fringe to get in.

Star Man posted:

In 2006, Barbara Cubin (R) won her reelection in Wyoming by just under 1,000 votes. I don't know what magic the DNC pulled off in 2006 was, but I still dream of it finally working in a state that blood red.

Wyoming had a Democratic governor from 2003-11.

I do remain optimistic that the Dems can retake middle America with the right messaging and base of support. If Arkansas can vote for a minimum wage increase, and if Kansas has had enough of the GOP destroying everything to potentially turn blue, there's definitely room for the Dems to make some headway and evaporate the GOP's systemic Senate advantage.

Donkwich fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Aug 13, 2016

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
e: ^^ Yeah that

The Republican base is spread out over more, smaller-population states, giving them an advantage in the Senate. It's not an advantage that can't be overcome, given that we've had (and still have) Democratic senators from red states before. But I think it's significant enough of an advantage that the DSCC should take into consideration (and they're probably already aware of it).

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
What's the timeline here on police abuse of black people "getting settled"?

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
It's been over a decade since Colbert coined the term 'truthiness', and it's never been more relevant than it is today.

berserker posted:

Unless it means that particular group of people (hardcore Trump supporters) simply disengage from voting altogether for the rest of their lives. The country would be greatly served by this.

I know that many libertarians have disavowed voting because they "don't want to give blanket permission to an oppressive government" or whatever, and I wouldn't be surprised if some white nationalist types thought the same way. I'd be the Wonka in the back going "no, stop, come back :effort:"

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
Gotham bling king

Thaddius the Large posted:

I mean, I get what you're saying, but feel compelled to point out that at least one US Senate representative from Montana has been a Democrat for literally over 100 years, and even accounting for the change in party politics in that time that's not a bad streak for a rural Western state. Yeah it's a right-leaning state, but has more of a mixed history than one would think; Presidential election wise it's been pretty drat red, no question.

I remember not too long ago the Dakotas had 4 Dem. Senators. I do think the Dems can fight back in the rockies/plains states and build a base there. I am worried about the influx of white nationalists, they're obsessed with the region.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Territorial_Imperative

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
I didn't even realize that's the same NYTimes woman who ate half an edible and then freaked out from her own mistake.

Maybe she never came down. :stare:

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
Basically any good precedent the rest of the world sets does not have any impact on the US whatsoever. We do things a little differently round here :clint:

*dies from a preventable disease*

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
The main reason Republicans care about promoting socially conservative positions is to drive their base to the voting booth. In 2004 Bush's victory coincided with 11 states voting to ban same-sex marriage.

I wish left-leaning religious figures can get the Social Gospel going again. Some Evangelicals are aware they're being screwed by a party that only gives them lip service.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer

Lightning Knight posted:

See this I did know. I used to giggle at this when I would read the textbook in Catholic school cause it didn't make any sense. Why would somebody who was cool hang out with the Pope, who was decidedly anti-cool? Obviously I understand now, but as a kid it was just dumb and funny.

But yeah know it's really funny to see conservative Italian and German Catholics talk poo poo about Mexicans and Arab Muslims, there is no expanding ironicat big enough.

Have you seen this before? It's a political cartoon by Thomas Nast depicting Catholicism as crocodiles invading America. It's almost Kelly-esque.



The campaign of Al Smith in 1928 was riddled with accusations of secret loyalty to the Vatican. The KKK even campaigned for alcohol prohibition (the more I hear about them the less I like) specifically because they wanted to spite Irish Catholics.

I bet if you probe deep enough most Evangelicals probably still have deepseated anti-Catholic sentiment.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
^^ Oh my god

Nailed the test, but the wording really does suck.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

I'm not sure how you phrase a theoretical ideological screen without inherently violation g the ideology behind the first amendment.

Maybe " do you support the imminent violent overthrow of the united States government"?

I had a Canadian boss last year who during their citizenship test was asked "if in the event of the US going to war with Canada, would you side with the US?"

The Iron Rose posted:

Oh absolutely, McCarthy didn't konw poo poo. I just find it intensely ironic that there were absolutely very high ranking soviet spies in the American government, and we were two deaths away from having a soviet mole as president.

We were also two heartbeats away from having a pedophile as president. :wtc:

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer

So unfairly maligned by crazy far-right white supremacists? Sounds accurate.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
You may be thinking of the NY Post, the right-wing Murdock-owned poo poo rag that gave us this:



Along with many other terrible things.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
Their obsession with the word says way more about them projecting than anything else. Some of them used it for Susan Collins recently :wtc:

I wonder what porn subgenre will turn into the new politicized epithet. Straight bait?

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer

i am the bird posted:

Jill Stein just said the reduction in the American birth rate is indicative of a "human rights" problem. Huh???

why isn't anyone hate watching this with me

I would've figured the Greens would welcome the declining birth rate as good for the environment. Unless they're buying into some tinfoil poo poo about POPULATION CONTROL, which wouldn't surprise me at this point. And to think I was once registered with them.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
The Dems really need to figure out how to effectively mobilize in the midterms (while also not nominating uninspiring candidates). 2014 was so much worse than it could've been since my idiot generation decided to stay home.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer

Yinlock posted:

While this is 100% true, is America ready for the public realizing the midterms actually matter and giving itself election fatigue 24/7 without the blessed year or two where politicians shut the gently caress up.

I'm sure the GOP would love for widespread voter apathy for the 2018 midterms so only their base shows up. It's already bad enough that the Dems have to defend all the Senate seats they won in 2012, a lot of them in pretty red states.

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
Well do you want him to get kidnapped by Satanists?

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
Well, he's right, he'll be remembered as an embarrassment that was empowered by racist voters.

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Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer

Luigi Thirty posted:

Did someone say Trump Nazis?

White supremacist covered in Nazi skinhead tattoos stabs interracial couple he saw kissing at a bar in Olympia, WA. When the police caught up to him, he started yelling about Donald Trump and attacking people at BLM protests.

I was just about to post this. And so it beginscontinues. :smith:

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