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Lightning Knight posted:Didn't he already make one to gently caress with both Cruz and Kaisch? Why would you assume Trump would actually do anything he said he was going to do?
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theshim posted:One of the major downsides to a lot of Proportional Representation systems is that the vast majority of people will still tend to fall into one of a few parties that comprise a large section of each side of politics. In these systems you typically need to form a coalition with ideological allies in order to form a working government. This moves a shitton of power to the marginalized and often batshit radical groups that neither major party bloc wants to associate with, but ends up needing to win them over. So like the Tea Party (or Sanders) now?  That is to say, I think that same effect is just felt within the parties in a 2-party system. I am still in favor of a party-roll PR senate. Sure it would still be dominated by a few larger blocs, but it would provide a place for national leaders of alternative parties to exist and also rework one of our most anti-democratic institutions in a way that still provides the institutionalist counterbalance to the id of the House.
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Aug 1, 2016 20:47
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Brony Car posted:I wish Clinton could just figure out one good response to the e-mail fiasco and stick with it. This is ridiculous: She's not wrong
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Aug 1, 2016 21:14
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Lightning Knight posted:But they would likely be required to give the Dems overwhelming majorities again, which is where the system falls apart. Progressives and Blue Dogs shouldn't have to work together, Blue Dogs should just be Republicans, but the Republicans are too close to fascism for that to work anymore. I don't think you need old white mostly-male conservative democratic candidates to win the margins required for working majorities.
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Aug 1, 2016 21:36
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Dexo posted:Hahahaha Pro-Fracking Site for Millennials. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_vw1-HJXGY
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Aug 1, 2016 22:57
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I really kinda hope "riggers" catches on as a slur for the evil forces keeping Democrats in office. You know, like "those drat riggers swinging the vote in North Carolina"
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Aug 2, 2016 02:59
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FilthyImp posted:They're still allowing the poo poo like truncating early/mail in voting and limiting voting access times though. I don't think that's been challenged. I'm pretty sure the NC law that was just found to have discriminatory intent included limits to early voting.
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Aug 2, 2016 03:27
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Shbobdb posted:I'm in a bad position. I get called a shitposter when I'm being honest and reasonable when I'm being hyperbolic. Ok if you're being honest, who was the "religious wackjob" on the last night? And I'm also curious how that person more of a "religious wackjob" than the other religious speakers on the other nights?
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Aug 2, 2016 04:00
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Metapod posted:Me: Hey don what do you got there? Can't even pretend he might eat it with his hands like an American
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Aug 2, 2016 04:03
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waitwhatno posted:But judges have to be confirmed by the Senate, right? So it can't get TOO bad, like him appointing his daughter or something. Because if Trump wins it means voters picked him in enough places that it is very likely Republicans keep the House.
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Aug 2, 2016 16:47
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Don't worry guys! It will all be over after the election and that kid won't grow up to assassinate President North West
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Aug 2, 2016 17:02
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Zanzibar Ham posted:Unfortunately, knowing myself from a mere 2-3 years ago, there's plenty of people voting-age who hate kids and will be glad someone finally said it. I really hope Trump goes for the childfree demographic
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Aug 2, 2016 17:16
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zoux posted:Trump does gaffes like Steph Curry shoots threes, before this year we didn't know what it meant to be a gaffe machine. So Trump is going to stop making gaffes once the championship is on the line?
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Aug 2, 2016 17:37
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kaleedity posted:I loving hate having to defend trump, but he's a narcissist. If he says something positive about someone, he has to frame it in some way related to himself. Just because he can't control his narcissism doesn't mean he'd gently caress his daughter. If there was any evidence beyond Trump acting like a narcissistic buffoon, it would be more warranted. It's still annoying as poo poo rumormongering and honestly on the same level as most of the poo poo propaganda against clinton. Your theory falls apart when you look at Trump's comments about Putin.
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Aug 2, 2016 19:07
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kaleedity posted:Which theory, and which comments, please. Additionally, can you explain how Trump sees Putin differently from himself? Your theory is that Trump can only say nice things about others framed within a compliment for himself and thus him saying "I would date my own daughter" isn't creepy, right? Trump has said many nice things about Putin without framing it within a self-styled compliment. quote:America is at a great disadvantage. Putin is ex-KGB, Obama is a community organizer. Unfair. quote:against allegations the Russian leader has ordered the killings of journalists. So no, I think there's more to Trump's creepy sexist comments about his daughter than he's just self-centered.
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Aug 2, 2016 19:24
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kaleedity posted:you're conflating "creepy" with "certain probability that she's been harassed by her own father", so you know. God job putting someone's else's words in my mouth. So why can't Trump just have complimented his daughter in the same way he complimented Putin? Why did Trump choose to repeatedly say he would have sex with his daughter if she wasn't his relative if he felt no sexual attraction to her?
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Aug 2, 2016 19:37
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A Winner is Jew posted:This is just more empty pandering to the Sanders people from Clinton. Lol I doubt they gave a gently caress about what Sanders people thought when making these decisions
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Aug 2, 2016 19:51
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Someone is going to go to jail/get fired because they have an iPhone and their recipient has an Android. Again.
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Aug 2, 2016 20:26
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Dexo posted:Drunk college kids watching bad TV at like 3 in the morning. Actually the Obama campaign made a big deal about buying calculated ad buys in those cheapest time slots (2am/2pm) and targeting the working class. They purchased direct access to cable box demographics for Denver and other key cities so they could micro-target not just by demographic but by ad slot too. This forgoes the usually campaign discount, but often because the slots are cheaper it doesn't matter.
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Aug 2, 2016 21:02
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Lemming posted:To add to this, nobody's mind gets changed anymore (true independents are a myth), it's pretty much all down to turnout. On the other hand, I was listening to an interview with one voter who said her vote might honestly depend on if she saw the "In His Own Words" ad on Election Day. She believed in Trump but couldn't handle the sexism. Ads are of marginal effect but elections are all about the margins.
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Aug 2, 2016 21:12
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Lemming posted:Right but they probably solidified their choice once the candidates were set. The point is that they aren't going back and forth and this point, they've already made their decision (even if this time it's weird people are switching from voting R to voting D, but that's because Trump is such a uniquely loving horrible candidate). I don't think you can be so quick to assume that everyone made up their mind instantly. This narrative that undecides don't exist at all is false. They just never are as big a group as people pretend. This year might be a peak for true undecideds.
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Aug 2, 2016 21:31
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Bip Roberts posted:So does the GOP normally run big GOTV efforts? Clearly it's huge for Ds but I'm not sure if it applies with the R demographics. Usually they make sure that someone fills out all the ballots for the old people, so they vote for the right candidates.
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Aug 2, 2016 21:33
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Blorange posted:When do we get to the point where Trump's campaign is so bad it's actively harmful for Hillary? If he limps to the finish line she'll win in a landslide, but if things implode in August there's still some time for Republicans to rally around a backup. They can't replace Trump
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Aug 3, 2016 02:13
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Dexo posted:I mean the parties aren't exactly governed by any rules or laws so they could it would just be a real bad look States have laws about who can be on the ballot. After officially nominating him, maybe a few states will allow a party to change their mind, but it's not really an option.
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Aug 3, 2016 02:17
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What has to be going through their heads as they chant "HATE WILL WIN" because I can't imagine a more disgusting and soul crushing moment than that. They have to be thinking "I am on the side of hate and I want to be there." At least the racists usually pretend it isn't hate but fear or tradition or some poo poo. This is verbally affirming being on the side of hate.
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Aug 3, 2016 16:28
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:She was totally lying about that amendment thing! Money matters m o re than policy! If she really hates CU why is she letting her SuperPAC buy her a bunch of ads??? Sanders proved you don't need a SuperPAC to win!
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Aug 3, 2016 16:51
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Goatman Sacks posted:If not for asbestos, what made the 9/11 wreckage so horribly unhealthy? Just all the atomized fiberglass insulation and stuff? Yeah generally a good combo of "all the bad things except radiation" quote:Much of the thousands of tons of debris resulting from the collapse of the Twin Towers was pulverized concrete, which is known to cause silicosis upon inhalation. The remainder consisted of more than 2,500 contaminants,[4] more specifically: 50% non-fibrous material and construction debris; 40% glass and other fibers; 9.2% cellulose; and 0.8% of the extremely toxic carcinogen asbestos, as well as detectable amounts of[5] lead, and mercury. There were also unprecedented levels of dioxins and PAHs from the fires which burned for three months
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Aug 3, 2016 16:58
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Hollismason posted:Is that story regarding the Clinton Foundation and shady foreign.money getting any traction. It is pretty dubious that these big companies and rich people would give money to an organization and then that organization would spend that money on "projects" to "bring people together" to "take on" things they call "challenges of the 21st century" Who needs proof when the facts are so obvious?
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Aug 3, 2016 17:19
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emdash posted:petition started by Karen Bass, CA37 congressperson: https://www.change.org/p/diagnosetrump I'm pretty sure APA considers it unethical to publicly comment on political candidates since Eagleton. 703 posted:This has been my nightmare from the get-go. IF Don dropped out, I feel like the bland republican they would get to replace him would have the base so loving excited that they would come out in droves. At most they will just disown him. I still don't believe they really are capable of replacing him on the ballot. "Vote Trump so that our Electors can instead vote Cruz/Ryan/Marco" isn't a winning slogan.
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Aug 3, 2016 17:53
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It's amazing how much people have bought into talk radio narratives on the Clinton Foundation that the argument is "how much bad poo poo is this non-profit accused of doing without evidence" while ignoring all the good things it does.
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Aug 3, 2016 18:32
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gregday posted:Eh, while it's absolutely true that catcalls from construction works still constitutes harassment, it is quite a different thing than what Ailes allegedly did, which is preying on a new potential hire, desperate for money, making her perform favors over an extended amount of time, forcing her to say and do things on video, then locking that video in a safe deposit box, telling her it's "so we have an understanding." What he did is straight up sexual torture. The question that was posed to Trump was specifically worded to ask what she would do if she was harassed in the same way as what Ailes is being accused of. I think that makes his and Eric's responses so much more horrific than how she handled this. Yeah but what Ailes did was probably sexual assault
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Aug 3, 2016 19:26
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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:So if the sane Republicans jump ship and either leave the party or consent to work with Democrats, does that pull the Democratic party right? In so much as the Democrats would then be able to pass laws and those laws will be compromises with the platform and not the platform untouched, yes.
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Aug 3, 2016 19:27
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uninterrupted posted:tell us more about how catcalling isn't 'real' sexual harassment. I think the argument is more that Allies went far far beyond just harassmeno.
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SCOTUS blocked the implementation of the Obama transgender bathroom order on a 5-3?
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Aug 4, 2016 19:55
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Lightning Knight posted:I thought they weren't taking this case until the next session? When did they do this? Looks like just now, staying the order until they hear it next session http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/04/488683938/high-court-temporarily-blocks-transgender-student-from-using-male-bathroom
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Aug 4, 2016 19:59
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UV_Catastrophe posted:I don't think the majority of the posters here like TPP, it's just that the generalized anti-trade arguments aren't very good. I like the TPP because the environmental and labor standards, while far from perfect, are a vast improvement over the status quo. Also Soros pays me.
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Aug 4, 2016 20:03
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a shameful boehner posted:
I didn't check, but I'm pretty sure the mechanism is trade retaliation just like with other forbidden trade practices. TPP is the first free trade treaty to treat labor and environmental costs as real costs and failure to enforce those costs is a forbidden subsidy. So for example what would happen is say, US rubber belt makers will complain to the US trade rep that the rubber belt makers in Laos are cheating by not enforcing waste water laws, the US brings it up in trade arbitration and a tarriff is set that makes it no longer worth while to cut that corner. This is a well used mechanism for other complex trade relationships, so once again, not perfect but still groundbreaking.
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Aug 4, 2016 20:13
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radical meme posted:That is quite possibly the most contorted interpretation of what happened that I've seen yet, so I'm assuming it's sarcasm. Other than your anger about my use of Obama as a metonymy, what was contorted about what I said exactly?
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Aug 4, 2016 20:40
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Noam Chomsky posted:No application necessary. All you have to do is assign imaginary motives, and even statements, to posters who say anything contrary to what's acceptable in mainstream political discourse. Remember, all trade agreements are good, trickle down will work, and we don't need to protect American jobs, at all, because we'll be getting UBI any day now. Lol yes tell us more about people assigning imaginary motives to statements 
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Wow Assange really just poo poo all over his public mandate huh He's even stopped saying "information wants to be free" and instead started using "information wants to have the biggest impact and uptake possible" to justify withholding information
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