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They sure are running a lot of centrifuges, and kinda sneaky about it too. Their problem is they need to test any efficient light implosion design, but can't do it at home because the moment they do the Israelis are gonna go all bitch-cakes, cuz, ya know, they're a wee bit touchy about dudes wanting to kill millions of Jews. So they need someone else to test for them, that is Porky Pig over in Nork. Or, if they want to be wasteful of uranium, they could build a gun-type slow assembly bomb, which is pretty sure to work. Now their cover story is that they are making 20% reactor fuel. Now the way these centrifuge arrays work AFAIK, the richer the feed, the faster the separation. Going from natural .7% to 20% fuel grade consumes the great majority of centrifuge time. Going from 20% to 80-90% weapons-grade is relatively quick. So if they have a large stock of 20% they can make enough bomb grade quickly to make a gun bomb. Whether that bomb would be missile deliverable is unknown, but Murka managed to put a gun bomb in an 8 in. artillery shell (Test Grable). ... What are the odds of the ME getting glassed in say, about 2020? e: Any small bomb virtually requires fusion boosting to reduce size, weight and efficiency. for that you need tritium and for that you need neutron flux and for that you need a biggish reactor. e2: Are they getting tritium from Porky, I wonder? There's an ugly little partership going on between Nork and Iran. All the more reason to take out the pudgy little gently caress soonest. Man, he sure could use 15 minutes on a Stairmaster. zimboe fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Aug 8, 2016 |
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I'm sensing that your question might be in some way loaded
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Aug 8, 2016 10:51
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yes, I know they're not, I checked and they're not
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MikeCrotch posted:I'm sensing that your question might be in some way loaded You bet. I'm suspicious as hell. Nuclear bombs are Power with a capital POW. Governments seek power always. Oppressive governments even more so. ... Sure and they're going for a bomb. They'll just keep it secret and not admit it as Israel (wisely) has. Plausible Deniability and all that, yah know. Worked for Clinton. Maybe an Iranian or Korean Vanunu will emerge, I hope.
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Zas posted:yes, I know they're not, I checked and they're not Are you serious? What am I saying, of course not. But, Sauce, if any? I seriously wanna know. ... Weapons get built. Weapons get used. This is an axiom. I don't wanna see a million people burned and half-buried in glass shouting with their skeleton fists raised, "THANKS, OBAMA!" That would be a Bad Thing.
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Zas posted some pics of his trip to Iran not long ago and they were all pics of Iran not building fission bombs OP. He's legit.
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Aug 8, 2016 11:18
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Maybe you should look at all the stuff you are saying about Israel, oppressive governments and look at the poo poo that Republicans like John McCain say all the time And they wonder if mayyyyyyyyyyybe, just maybe there is a reason Iran might want nukes
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Kilroy posted:Zas posted some pics of his trip to Iran not long ago and they were all pics of Iran not building fission bombs OP. He's legit. Aaaaah, a likely story. They got the bombs hidden in baby formula factories, just like Hussien did (Saddam, not Brak). zimboe fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Aug 8, 2016 |
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Aug 8, 2016 11:25
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MikeCrotch posted:Maybe you should look at all the stuff you are saying about Israel, oppressive governments and look at the poo poo that Republicans like John McCain say all the time Mmmmmmmm, could be. Yahh. Nukes beget nukes, another arms race at some point boom boomblam, glassed middle east. As Bishop said, in Aliens II, " An explosion is inevitable at this point."
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OP I'm not 100% certain but I reckon Iran might know if Iran is building fission bombs.
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AgentF posted:OP I'm not 100% certain but I reckon Iran might know if Iran is building fission bombs. You could be on to something here
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Well first I suppose we need to establish whether one can actually truly know anything.
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What's the point of secretly having nukes? Isn't the whole point of nukes that you can threaten people with them? If you keep them a secret then you might as well not have them.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mUCLHzWiJo
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Dammit, I have proposed a serious question here. Now in the old days, during the Cold War, which many Goonsirs are too young to have experienced- the nightmares that many children had at the prospect of instant annihilation at a moment's notice, as I had, You Goons have never heard the air raid sirens in the 60's whooping and the silly "Duck and Cover" films they showed me. I knew as only a child that it was bullshit and lies. the prospect of Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) moderated ( a carefully chosen word) the Cold War between the old CCCP and USA. This worked because neither civilization was irrational and wanted to survive. ... Now take the Israelis; culturally traumatized by the Holocaust, and the radical Iranians bound by the quest for a fictional Paradise. I question if MAD will work against a culture that doesn't value reality.
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right sure but they're still not building a fission bomb
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Dammit, I have proposed a serious question here. Now in the old days, during the Cold War, which many Goonsirs are too young to have experienced- the nightmares that many children had at the prospect of instant annihilation at a moment's notice, as I had, You Goons have never heard the air raid sirens in the 60's whooping and the silly "Duck and Cover" films they showed me. I knew as only a child that it was bullshit and lies. the prospect of Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) moderated ( a carefully chosen word) the Cold War between the old CCCP and USA. This worked because neither civilization was irrational and wanted to survive. ... Now take the Israelis; culturally traumatized by the Holocaust, and the radical Iranians bound by the quest for a fictional Paradise. I question if MAD will work against a culture that doesn't value reality.
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I'm not too sure, but they may or may not be building a fission bomb.
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Why then has Porky in Nork not glassed Murka with his power with a capital POW, Goonsir?
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So you're saying we should make sure Israel doesn't have nukes?
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Unkempt posted:Why then has Porky in Nork not glassed Murka with his power with a capital POW, Goonsir? Duh, because clearly NK is a rational actor who understand that proliferation of nuclear weapons will lead to a glassed south-east asia and only have everyone's best interests at heart Unlike those godless loving Iranians
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zimboe posted:Dammit, I have proposed a serious question here. zimboe posted:Now in the old days, during the Cold War, which many Goonsirs are too young to have experienced- the nightmares that many children had at the prospect of instant annihilation at a moment's notice, as I had,
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Neither apartheid South Africa nor Israel nor the United States of America nor Pakistan nor the Soviet Union have managed to blow up the world yet, so I don't see what the worry about Iran is. Unless brown skin and qu'ran ownership makes one uniquely evil.
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forkboy84 posted:Where did you do that? Must have missed it, just see some insane rambling about Iran having the big scary bomb. You're forgetting Douglas "Let's Nuke China" MacArthur and Curtis "We Should Have Nuked Russia Before They Got The Bomb" LeMay. Plus India and Pakistan have (somehow) managed to not nuke the poo poo out of each other since getting the bomb, so it doesn't really stand to reason that the instant Iran hypothetically gets a bomb Tel Aviv is turned to ash.
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MikeCrotch posted:You're forgetting Douglas "Let's Nuke China" MacArthur and Curtis "We Should Have Nuked Russia Before They Got The Bomb" LeMay. Seriously, this. The argument that Iran would go nuts if they had a bomb is so tired, because while they talk a tough game, they already know the outcome of using a device. And its not in their favor.
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I'm getting the impression that the OP may not be entirely sober. Though it's sometimes hard to tell the difference between someone under the influence of stimulants and someone with schizophrenia.
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TomViolence posted:Neither apartheid South Africa nor Israel nor the United States of America nor Pakistan nor the Soviet Union have managed to blow up the world yet, so I don't see what the worry about Iran is. Unless brown skin and qu'ran ownership makes one uniquely evil. I too love nuclear proliferation
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I wish I had fission bombs... 
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Fojar38 posted:I too love nuclear proliferation Eh, "less countries with nukes = better" isn't some inherent truth. To take that idea to an extreme, it would be a bad thing if every country destroyed its nuclear weapons except for Russia. There's something to be said for a balance of power leading to stability. That being said, I think that you're generally correct and the downsides usually outweigh the benefits, but it's still something that needs to be considered on a case by case basis and isn't always a bad thing (though it usually probably is).
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are you the guy who makes youtube videos about cern being a dimensional gateway and the spacestation going back in time and poo poo
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i sold iran a fission bomb for $25 and a bottle of their best hooch. sorry world.
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They came to me and said they wanted me to build them a bomb. So I took their plutonium and gave them a shoddy bomb casing full of used pinball machine parts!!
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:They came to me and said they wanted me to build them a bomb. So I took their plutonium and gave them a shoddy bomb casing full of used pinball machine parts!! Wonder if we could sell Iran a DeLorean and call it a nuclear weapon.
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Ytlaya posted:Eh, "less countries with nukes = better" isn't some inherent truth. To take that idea to an extreme, it would be a bad thing if every country destroyed its nuclear weapons except for Russia. There's something to be said for a balance of power leading to stability. To be more specific then, if Iran had confirmed nuclear weapons, Israel would make its open-secret arsenal public and Saudi Arabia would also seek to acquire nuclear weapons. Egypt and Turkey would become nervous and likely seek out their own arsenals, and the balance of power in Africa would be heavily disrupted by a nuclear Egypt. Nuclear proliferation makes the balance of power less stable, not more, in addition to the simple fact of "the more nukes there are, the more likely they are to be used." The recognized nuclear powers of USA, Russia, UK, France, and China are all both part of the non-proliferation treaty and are countries with relatively stable governments. This is why India getting nukes was such a huge deal (not a NPT signatory), and PAKISTAN getting nukes was scary beyond the pale because it's a borderline failed state. This is why a nuclear Iran is a bad thing that shouldn't be allowed to happen. It has nothing to do with scary brown people and everything to do with non-proliferation and the balance of power in the Middle East/North Africa.
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They're not building nukes and the fact you think they might be signals that you've missed the details of the situation in Iran. This is quite easy to do as when you see the headlines which have Iran and Nuclear Weapons in, you instantly assume that the issue is they might be making nuclear weapons, especially with the way parts of the media distort the narrative. However that has never been the issue. The issue is that they might at some point in the future choose to develop nuclear weapons. Aside from ill-informed demagogues, the conversation over the past several years hasn't been "Does Iran's making nukes, let's confirm this" it's been "Iran is increasing it's peaceful nuclear infrastructure, which as a signatory to the NPT it should be entitled to do, but which has the side effect of worrying us because this makes it easier for them to start developing nuclear weapons in the future so what do we do about it?"
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Huh maybe we should have nuclear inspectors in Iran. Like from the IAEA or something. Maybe we should even have like live camera feeds in key facilities. Maybe we should have periodic checks on whether they're enriching beyond agreed limits. Just to be safe let's replace the head of the IAEA with a partisan guy who will take the U.S. side on the issues. Also let's enact sanctions even if Iran adheres to the NPT but like, we don't feel like they really mean it. Hmm. Hmm.
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For real though, even the CIA's conclusion was that Iran finished most of their preliminary work on a bomb in 2003. If they wanted a bomb at this point it would just be a matter of enrichment, hence the nuclear deal to reduce their breakout capacity such that it would take a year, during which time they could not keep their intentions secret. That's the whole point. If Iran chooses to start building a bomb, everyone will know, like if there are Morgan Webb nude photos.
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zimboe posted:Dammit, I have proposed a serious question here. Why are you asking if you think you know the answer already, zimboe
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Not sure OP but I'm pretty sure the United States of America has a lot of fission bombs, enough to "bounce the rubble."
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It's almost as if... somebody set up us the bomb
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