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Manchild King posted:Honestly I think fat shaming isn't very helpful. But fat pride or any promotion of that body type is unhealthy and stupid. Don't be constantly telling them what a negative it is, but at the same time never let anyone try to spin it as a positive. a good post
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Sep 13, 2016 18:46
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LordArgh posted:shame creates motivation to change, op Actually no, it does the exact opposite. There's scientific evidence there to suggest that the whole HAES, "fat is beautiful" insanity is a direct result of the rise of fat shaming combined with the ease of creating self-destructive hugboxes via the internet.
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Sep 14, 2016 12:18
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Pannus posted:What if the rise of fat shaming is a reaction to the HAES ppl and not the other way around? did your scince people think about thT? Are you saying you can't control your fat shaming?
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Sep 14, 2016 12:27
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Also, literally lol if you think that fat shaming didn't exist before the 1960s
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Sep 14, 2016 12:30
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yes, nothing says "shitpost" like links to scientific studies tired echo chamber of invectives towards fat people, otoh, is COMEDY GOLD!
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Sep 14, 2016 13:34
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lol I don't have a BA, I'm a programmer
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Sep 14, 2016 13:43
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Falun Bong Refugee posted:I think the most telling part is you actually do have access to read that paper since it's open to the public but you didn't know that because you never did, how do you think I knew the conclusion???
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Sep 14, 2016 14:05
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Are we picking and choosing the science we want to believe in based on whether or not it agrees with our worldview?
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Sep 14, 2016 14:30
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Germstore posted:No. Behavioral science is literally not science. According to whom? quote:Cherry picking individual studies also isn't scientific because of the severe selection bias involved in paper publication. Feel free to post studies that come to different conclusions on the effects of shame. Also, lol nice webcomic. Great science you've got going there.
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Sep 14, 2016 14:39
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so where are your studies about the positive effects of shame? Or are you going to continue Rick Perrying it up?
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Sep 14, 2016 14:54
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cheers, guv'nah
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Sep 14, 2016 14:57
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I hope you won't mind if I continue calling you a self-loathing piece of poo poo who puts other people down to feel better about himself
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Sep 14, 2016 14:58
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Blitter posted:I love the idea that somehow "being good and kind" means any criticism of self harming behavior is bullying. Not all criticism of self-harming behavior is shaming. But hey, nice straw man.
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Sep 14, 2016 15:58
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Wicker Man posted:How is that a straw man? It sounded like a fair point. The straw man being that anybody here is claiming that literally "any" criticism of self-destructive behavior is bullying.
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Sep 14, 2016 16:20
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Germstore posted:And I'll have you know I'm very nice on and offline. I only give people poo poo on GBS where it's completely consensual. In fact even on GBS I don't go into threads that I know I disagree with just to call people assholes. The people in the photos/videos are GBS posters?
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Sep 14, 2016 16:22
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Wicker Man posted:It usually sounds more like their angry because they KNOW the excuses are bullshit, and even admit as such. Yeah, formerly fat person here. I think it has a lot to do with why the person lost weight to begin with. I think a lot of people who lose weight don't like themselves, and think that if they lose weight they will suddenly like themselves again. Then, when they become skinny and still don't like themselves, it causes cognitive dissonance and they project their self-loathing onto what they used to be. In my case it was a medical/quality of life choice. I didn't want to struggle doing every little thing in my daily life anymore and slowly slip into a diabetic nightmare. I liked myself before I lost weight, and I still like myself, so I'm not angry at GRRRR FAT PEOPLE.
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Sep 14, 2016 16:26
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Germstore posted:Runupon, what is your concern? Is it that the "healthism" woman will stumble across a GBS thread, open it, and be so shamed that it scuttles her imminent return to a healthy weight? That reads like a serious question, so I'm going to give a serious answer. I want fat people to stop being delusional, and find success in losing weight. The "healthism" person is going to be the same going out of this thread as he came in, because shame's not going to change him. The non-delusional fatty probably isn't going to open the thread (borne out by the very few posters in here who admit their fat status), and if they do, they're not going to find much that will actually help motivate them to lose weight, and nine out of ten of them are more likely to go over to the healthism side because gently caress you, that's why. I'm not for a second saying that shame can't ever motivate positive change. It can, but it's rare, and most people don't react to shame positively. You're much more likely to make people defensive and retreat into their poor behaviors. If your goal is sincerely to help motivate fat people to lose weight, shame is the exact wrong way to do it. Pursuing that, despite the mountain of evidence against it, only goes towards reinforcing the idea that you (fat shamers in general, not you specifically) would much rather fat people stay fat so you have a convenient target to make fun of for your own disgusting amusement, making you no better than the regressive conservatives who want to punish women for having sex despite the totally awesome and not bullshit in any way abstinence-only education.
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Sep 14, 2016 16:47
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LethalGeek posted:Please don't respond to cracker's self loathing about how much a failure they are it really drags these threads down. I successfully lost 135 lbs and have kept it off for over two years now.
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Sep 14, 2016 16:51
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oldpainless posted:I can understand overweight people saying that being fat or skinny is not the sole indicator of how happy your life is but its telling that almost every single fat person who got down to a healthy weight says their life improves in pretty much all respects Absolutely. You can be fat for a while without being abjectly miserable. And, while "HAES" is ridiculous bullshit, it really is possible to be overweight without having other health issues for a while. So it's easy for some people to say "but I feel fine and my blood pressure is ok and my blood sugar is normal and blah blah blah..." Well sure, it takes a while for your body to wear down and give up. The big problem is that, by the time you start going downhill, you've probably already done some irreversible damage and made it more difficult to lose the weight you need to to survive to a decent lifespan. I know it's pretty likely I'm going to die earlier than I would if I had never gotten fat in the first place. Which sucks, but I've had a good life* so I'm not too broken up about it. Unless I'm hit by a bus or something like that, I'm probably going to get to see my grandkids grow up. *fat notwithstanding
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Sep 14, 2016 17:08
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INTERACTIVE CD-ROM posted:Not eating tons of poo poo food sounds really hard, i don't know how i do it you can get fat without eating tons of poo poo food
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Sep 14, 2016 17:38
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Norns posted:Please explain how you get fat without eating I can't. I can, however, explain how you can get fat without eating tons of poo poo food. Would you like me to? How sad is it that you create a straw man by intentionally misquoting yourself?
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Sep 14, 2016 18:23
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Germstore posted:Can I believe that pushing back on HAES nonsense isn't the same as fat shaming? You can, but it very much depends on how you're "pushing back". I push back on HAES by actually educating people. How do you do it?
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Sep 14, 2016 18:25
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Zahgaegun posted:Can I shame people wasting natural resources and adding excess pollution and trash into the environment due to their lifestyle? Or will that just make them waste more? I don't think you're going to get weightlifters to stop that way.
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Sep 14, 2016 18:26
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Germstore posted:rolling my eyes when I read something about it, and making snarky jokes in gbs. it may not be doing any good, but it also doesn't harm anyone besides making you go aggro for three years straight oh good job then, carry on
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Sep 14, 2016 18:58
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Enemy Ace posted:Fat people smell bad and are visually offensive. mlyp
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Sep 14, 2016 20:38
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Quote-Unquote posted:To be fair so does like 95% of Britain because serving school kids something other than deep fried gunk and terrible pizza made mostly with grease might cost taxpayers an extra penny or so each per day. And that's just nanny state socialist nonsense; it's my right to ensure my kids don't live to be 30 if I want! That is an accomplishment, congrats! I'm glad you found it easy, but know that you are the exception to the rule, and that sustaining that for a year is considerably more challenging than two months.
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Sep 15, 2016 11:34
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Fat Shat Sings posted:3/4ths or more of losing weight is diet. If you get fat again it's not because broccoli magically now comes filled with marshmallow cream it's that you stopping giving a poo poo what you ate and probably went back to exactly your old habits of eating way too much of the wrong things. I think you misunderstood. I didn't mean sustaining that level of weight, I meant sustaining that level of weight loss. A maintenance diet is naturally much easier than a loss diet.
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Sep 15, 2016 12:00
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fasting is a great way to lose weight if you don't mind losing muscle while you're doing it
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Sep 15, 2016 13:03
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Wicker Man posted:If you are exercising, specifically strength training, and getting an adequate amount of protein, muscle loss should be minimal. Especially if we are just talking 2 days tops. You shouldn't experience any kind cataclysmic break down or whatever from that. how do you get an adequate amount of protein when you're fasting edit: saw your edit the thing I'm trying to get across here is that your liver can only metabolize fat so fast, so you can only lose weight so fast without losing muscle. Nobody who is 100 lbs overweight is going to lose that 100 lbs in a couple of months, even with a complete fast, and if they do fast until they lose 100 lbs they're going to lose a lot of muscle. Significant weight loss is a slow process. Tinestram fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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Sep 15, 2016 13:12
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Tuxedo Gin posted:I agree. But, it seems like the excuse is always "it's not that easy." when it actually is. If you don't have the willpower to stop shoving garbage (or massive amounts of not garbage) down your throat, you probably need someone to help you through your issues with food. I say therapy because this lack of willpower also leads to quitting when working with a trainer or nutritionist. Therapy is needed to get to the root of why someone would give up and just accept that they look and feel like poo poo. Yeah, there's no way they could be giving up because it's hard, it has to be some mental incapacity. I mean heck, all they're doing is ignoring the mental pressure exerted by a primal instinct, strengthened by the body actively fighting against weight loss, for months or maybe years on end. What could be difficult about that? Look, I agree that people shouldn't give up on something just because it's hard. But what I don't get is why it's somehow considered bad to acknowledge that it is hard for nearly everybody that does it. It was easy for you? Hey wow congrats on being the exception, but that doesn't mean that everybody who has real difficulty with it is somehow mentally ill.
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Quote-Unquote posted:The important thing when losing weight is to try to get used to good habits. Other than cutting out the frankly ridiculous poo poo like soda and ranch dressing, most of your focus should go into having smaller portions of food that you already like. If you force yourself to eat stuff you hate, you're just gonna go right back to it when you've reached your target weight. And get MyFitnessPal or whatever and honestly record what you've eaten and drunk. Do it before you eat/drink, even. And include sauces/mayo/cheese/dressing etc because that poo poo is probably adding 10-100% of the total caloric intake of your meal depending on how much you drown your food (don't drown your food. Halve your condiment intake is a good rule generally). Agreed. Although I will say that for most people, they should have smaller portions of some things, but larger portions of others. It's totally awesome to eat twice as much broccoli as you did before if you're eating half the meat and potatoes, because you're still going to come out with fewer calories and be better satiated than if you didn't up the broccoli. The best way to handle sauces/mayo/cheese/dressing is to replace them completely with spices you like instead. Spices (generally) don't have calories, and your food will still taste as yummy if you're doing it right. Salt is a bogeyman and not nearly as harmful as people make it out to be... if you're losing weight, you're better off getting a little more salt than you should than getting all those calories from ranch dressing.
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Sep 15, 2016 17:12
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Sep 15, 2016 17:14
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The Saurus posted:Giving something up because "it's hard" kind of makes you a worthless pussy, I don't see why that should be a legitimate excuse for them?? you shouldn't give up something just because it's hard, he said for the nth time but that doesn't make it not hard Tinestram fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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Sep 15, 2016 17:49
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Fat Shat Sings posted:usually people say that it's hard to give things up because of physical addiction, painful withdrawals or something. you don't have to lay on your back like an animal dragging food into your mouth to become obese edit: or maintain your current weight, for that matter Tinestram fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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rap music posted:bbw fetishes are probably very strongly correlated to mental illness and constitute an infinitesimally small portion of the total porn viewership and are thus irrelevant there's about as much bbw porn as there is gay porn I think there may be a flaw in your reasoning
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Sep 15, 2016 19:42
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If you want to watch obesity rates drop like a stone, end subsidies for calorie-rich crops, and add robust nutrition education to the curriculum. Fixing the wealth gap would help too.
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Sep 16, 2016 12:24
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^^^ you gonna love dis denBum the Sad posted:I don't understand how fat people are ok with making GBS threads so much. I was on a cruise recently where I reckon I ate as much as a smaller fat would and Jesus pooping three times a day was obnoxious. I mean I guess it doesn't matter when you just poo poo yourself then roll over in your side while some one scrubs the feces off you while you continue to eat your chicken bucket. But still. Yeah, when I was a fat bastard, I was on the shitter at least twice a day, and usually 20+ minutes each. It was, as you suggest, loving horrible. It was always soft and quite often that really sticky poo poo that takes forever to clean out. I bought baby wipes to help with that, but it was still gross and annoying as hell. When I lost a bunch of weight, something truly magical happened: my poo poo firmed up, stopped being sticky, and far less frequent. Nowadays I have a poo poo once every two to three days and they take less than five minutes. Sometimes I wipe and the TP comes away clean on the first stroke. It's seriously the best unexpected side effect of losing weight. Well that's my poo poo story, thanks for reading
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School Nickname posted:As a loving fatass who hates himself I do not understand how HAES has become a thing. Being fat is poo poo. You get out-of-breath from a loving 10 minute walk. You sweat like a motherfucker. Never knowing when your next diarrhea episode will ambush you and make you go from "I'm ok. This is fine." to "Jesus gently caress, where's the nearest bathroom!?" in 10 minutes. Half-paranoid that every time a person looks at you they scream, "Man that guy is a loving disgusting fatass!" internally. loving Chub Rub. HAES seems to me to be an American thing, so are all these guys on so much meds that they don't notice all the things I do? My body tells me everyday in its own way that I'm a blimp, a behemoth, a monstrosity that has made him unfuckable and that this is all punishment. Are you serious when you say you hate yourself? If so, why? It's not because you're fat (if anything, being fat is a symptom, not a cause). If you don't know why you're fat, you should figure it out soon. Quite possibly you hate *being* fat, which may sound like a trivial distinction, but it's really not. From your last sentence in that paragraph, it sounds like you have some deeper emotional issues you should work through. If you truly hate *you*, losing weight isn't going to fix it. If you haven't already, work out your adjusted BMR and start tracking your calories. There are lots of sites out there for tracking, and it's well worth the effort. There's no need to do keto or any other ridiculous diet. 30 lbs in a month is excessive if you're under 250 lbs because there's no question you're losing muscle as well; stick to a 500-1000 cal deficit and you'll get where you want to be in a decent amount of time without losing a ton of muscle. Don't cut out cider completely, just have it less often. It's important that you're still reasonably happy with your food intake. Is that something you drink every day? Reduce it to a smaller portion, once every few days. Sugary drinks are bad in general but they can be ok if you balance them out.
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Fat Shat Sings posted:thats actually a terrible way to do it. Eating once daily typically makes your body think you are conservation mode so you hold on to more of what you eat. If you are managing to maintain a weight or lose weight while eating like this you would probably have way more success by eating in properly spaced intervals. yes, eating one meal a day causes your body to ignore the laws of thermodynamics eating one meal a day is dumb, but it has nothing to do with "conservation mode" which is almost* completely bullshit. *your body can go into a starvation mode after prolonged significant calorie reduction, but it involves reducing unnecessary body movement (like fidgeting) and not "holding on" to calories
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