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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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RagnarokAngel posted:

Aren't all bombings intentional? I mean you don't carry a bomb and set it on accident like whoopsie doodle.

That depends, I mean a lot of people who tried to intentionally bomb something else? They gently caress up and blow their fool selves up wherever they were making the bomb, or they get blown up by it while they're in the middle of transporting it to the place they wanted to blow it up. Because it's very easy to gently caress up with explosives.

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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Plinkey posted:

Probably not, but Dems getting into the gun culture and getting them out of the bubble and interacting with the rest of america is probably a good thing.

Uh, bro, gun ownership in this country is about 20% of the population. You really going to call the 80% majority of the country without guns "the bubble"?

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Nidhg00670000 posted:

AFAIK, gun ownership is at its lowest in nearly 40 years in the US, but 20% is a lot lower than numbers I've seen.

Sorry, I misremembered, it was 22%: http://www.newsweek.com/us-gun-ownership-declines-312822?piano_t=1

32% of households have at least one gun, but only 22% of people own any guns. 35% of men own a gun, and only 12% of women do. Incidentally the income group with highest household ownership rates? $90,000+, with 44% of those households owning guns.

There was also a separate survey out there that the determined the majority of the 300 million plus guns in private hands in this country are owned by a small percentage of the people who own guns - since most people who do own guns tend to only own one or two guns, with shotguns and simple traditional riles the most common. Since those are the most useful guns to people who need to have a gun.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:

Is this not the case currently?

Forcing a counselor or therapist to take on a case of a type that is outside their focus, or that they aren't experienced or comfortable with, seems like an absolutely terrible idea that will end horribly for all parties involved.

Yea that guy's entire post is a case study in the results of the conservative media bubble. Dude wants what we actually have now, but some dude who loves Ted Cruz told him that gay people can force any counseling service on the street to counsel them and their 5 husbands.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong
Even in their worst years, the American car manufacturers were still building and selling an awful lot of cars. They just didn't get to have like 98% of the market anymore, the way they used to before.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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CommissarMega posted:

There is one thing that does bear considering if the US goes single-payer, socialized healthcare- what happens to the industry's workers? Forget the execs and other assorted bigwigs, they'd be set for life, but the trench-level staff might be out on a limb depending on how marketable their skills are. Not saying that you lot shouldn't have socialized healthcare, not by a long shot, just wondering how hard the transition might be if you ever get round to doing it.

It would probably look a lot like the way it did when Canada moved over from all private insurers to single payer health care + private doctors that you need to pay extra for. Of course, Canada's process took nearly 40 years from the first province-level effort to it covering all of Canada.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong
It's also a bit hard to sneak away with a tank on a hundreds of miles drive regardless. :v:

Plus a lot of those tanks might go maaybe 300 miles on a full 500+ gallon load of fuel, and that's in the best conditions. So you'd have to haul all that fuel out there, and maybe multiples of that, if you're not going to instead somehow get a hold of a truck that can successfully haul one of the tanks away.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Radish posted:

If we had a competent media "what does outlast an opponent in a nuclear war entail" would be the question for every Republican figure constantly but we don't because even the threat of nuclear annihilation isn't a big deal when you need ACCESS and can't appear to be biased.

Funny you should ask, Trump's nuclear war adviser just gave an interview:

Dr. Strangelove: I would not rule out the chance to preserve a nucleus of human specimens. It would be quite easy...heh, heh...at the bottom of ah...some of our deeper mineshafts. Radioactivity would never penetrate a mine some thousands of feet deep, and in a matter of weeks, sufficient improvements in drilling space could easily be provided.
Muffley: How long would you have to stay down there?
Dr. Strangelove: ...I would think that uh, possibly uh...one hundred years...It would not be difficult Mein Fuehrer! Nuclear reactors could, heh...I'm sorry, Mr. President. Nuclear reactors could provide power almost indefinitely. Greenhouses could maintain plant life. Animals could be bred and slaughtered. A quick survey would have to be made of all the available mine sites in the country, but I would guess that dwelling space for several hundred thousands of our people could easily be provided.
Muffley: Well, I, I would hate to have to decide...who stays up and...who goes down.
Dr. Strangelove: Well, that would not be necessary, Mr. President. It could easily be accomplished with a computer. And a computer could be set and programmed to accept factors from youth, health, sexual fertility, intelligence, and a cross-section of necessary skills. Of course, it would be absolutely vital that our top government and military men be included to foster and impart the required principles of leadership and tradition. Naturally, they would breed prodigiously, eh? There would be much time, and little to do. Ha, ha. But ah, with the proper breeding techniques and a ratio of say, ten females to each male, I would guess that they could then work their way back to the present Gross National Product within say, twenty years.
Muffley: Wouldn't this nucleus of survivors be so grief-stricken and anguished that they'd, well, envy the dead and not want to go on living?
Dr. Strangelove: When they go down into the mine, everyone would still be alive. There would be no shocking memories, and the prevailing emotion will be one of nostalgia for those left behind, combined with a spirit of bold curiosity for the adventure ahead! [involuntarily gives the Nazi salute and forces it down with his other hand]Ahhh!
Turgidson: Doctor, you mentioned the ratio of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the abandonment of the so-called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?
Dr. Strangelove: Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious...service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Neo_Crimson posted:

Aren't people also moving to the relatively liberal Austin to escape California's drought and insane living costs?

The drought doesn't really affect the average person's lifestyle. And it's not like Austin is cheap at all, especially if you want to live somewhere where you won't have a long commute to work and stuff to do. A lot of the companies moving to the Austin area are just doing that because they can pay a decent grip less and still get employees for a while, and some people have to move for that.

Incidentally most of the people who move to Austin and the county it's in recently? They're just from elsewhere in Texas, about 55% of them in fact. California is the next most common origin point, but California is also the largest state, so it tends to dominate state-origin stats for nearly everywhere - California is the most common state for new residents of New York City to come from after residents from the rest of New York.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Subjunctive posted:

Wasn't that Snowden? I didn't think Assange was wanted in the US.

He isn't wanted in the US and he's never been wanted in the US. That's why he made the offer, he's not at risk either way.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Animal-Mother posted:

I'm sorry, but I still have a hard time believing that most of these people are serious. I believe it, I'm just having a hard time. Has anybody ever studied the demographics of Freep? Do they skew quite a bit older? I can see how elderly people who've been confined to their house for a while might not be too good at discerning fact from fiction on the internet.

A ton of them have been posting on there since the mid-late 90s, and they talked about already having kids at that point. That puts a hard lower boundary of like, 38 on a lot of them.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Pontius Pilate posted:

Two term President Carter and historical footnote actor-governor Reagan say hi.


Are you forgetting that Nixon didn't actually get impeached and convicted?

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Sir Tonk posted:

then why was he pardoned :smugdog:

A failed attempt by Ford to save his dignity and the Republican party's chances in the next election.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Tias posted:

Bang on. Lovecraft was a weirdo, but he actually changed his opinions upon learning facts that challenged his anachronism - Freep just digs a bigger nazi cave.



Well, I wouldn't go that far. He was starting to change his opinions around the time he got terminally sick and died, but he wasn't there yet. Perhaps if he'd been able to actually live another 10 years he'd have actually fully renounced it all.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Keeshhound posted:

But you still need to have the leisure time for it. Just having hobbies, no matter how much money you can afford to spend on them, still necessitates a certain level of prosperity, especially to be able to dedicate enough time to the pursuit to be a "nerd," whatever the cutoff for that is.

Just to be clear, I wan't trying to say that only the middle class ever become nerds, just that due to the innate requirements of the hobbies involved, they tend to be drawn from more affluent backgrounds.

There are very few people with truly no free time between work and collapsing into exhaustion. And being actually affluent tends to open you up into far more expensive hobbies than being online or playing a video game.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong
Using Democrat to refer to the party has been common for well over a century without being any sort of insult. Don't let yourself get sucked into treating it as an insult just because some oxy-addicted idiot on the radio or TV thinks it is and tries to use it that way, they also think everything good in general is an insult.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

TapTheForwardAssist posted:

I wasn't going to post the thread since it's lame, but since Laz came up:


It's in a thread about how in the future there will be no keys, no burger flippers, and no incandescent lightbulbs. Which of course means half the posters are proudly shouting that they have a lifetime supply 2-3 years, tops of incandescent lightbulbs because FUB0.

The extended joke is that whenever there's a "female teacher molests underage male student" scandal Laz inevitably drops in to "hot or not" on the perp and opine as to whether he'd "hit it".

Freepers don't like to buy LED bulbs because it's a bit daunting to own a lightbulb that will be around longer than you will be.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Neeksy posted:

So are Freepers really happy that Trump's selling their ISP info or does their love of free market gently caress everyone for a penny ideology override that?

Your ISP is already selling your info if it wants to and has been for years. The rules against it were not to take effect until December.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Zipperelli. posted:

What the gently caress is a "no-go zone?"

Wait, wait wait wait... Is this referring to the more poverty stricken areas of town that are generally more predominately african american? Because if so, :lol: at that color-scared piece of poo poo.

The concept refers to the idea that Muslims take over areas of cities and nobody who isn't a Muslim can go there, including cops etc. Freepers picked it up from European racists.

Sounds dumb? Well, yeah, it is pretty much exactly as dumb as it looks at first glance.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong
I really don't understand why some people believe "the internet exists" means "people that use it will stop being stupid and believing stupid things".

Only registered members can see post attachments!

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Pontius Pilate posted:

The potential of the internet and all of human knowledge at your fingertips turning out to be a vast repository of dumb memes and porn reminds me of how early in television's life people thought it would allow for Shakespeare's plays and Mozart's operas to become accessible to all.

A good 2/3 of Shakespeare and Mozart is their day's fairly trashy lowbrow entertainment, as originally performed though...

Shakespeare especially, it's chock full of dick jokes and cracks on how various people's mothers are whores.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

chitoryu12 posted:

To be honest, is "People can just listen to the evidence they want in their desired echo chamber!" any different from how things used to be? 50 or 60 years ago, there wasn't a repository of fact-checked knowledge at everyone's fingertips. If you believed something, you had to go out of your way to be disproven. Science and history books were full of errors, mythology, and racist and misogynistic beliefs masquerading as fact. In the pre-Snopes world, any urban legend could be spread far and wide with little ability even for skeptics to prove it untrue, especially not quickly.

I mean you go back 60 years ago? Every major city had like 3-6 different newspapers, and all of them were very heavily leaning to one party/political tendency or another. Conservatives read the Whatever Gazette, liberals the Whatever Inquirer, the hardcore leftists read the Whatever Worker, the proto-Birchers read the Whatever Star and so on. You only have 1-3 TV channels in a given area, but they all try to stay extremely "neutral" so they don't really do anything to speak out against anyone's political viewpoint being bolstered by the newspapers and to a limited extent the radio (though radio stayed fairly "neutral" as well on national-network stations, local independent stations start to have it). On top of that there were a good selection of mail-based newsletters and things like that for those who wanted to really get into an echo chamber.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Prism posted:

America didn't rename them during World War I? Ontario did. (It's Kitchener now.)

New Jersey has both a Berlin Borough and Berlin Township, the former having split off from the latter in the 20s. Oddly, the community of West Berlin is located in Berlin Township, which is the eastern town of the two.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Don't they also talk about how political protest is wrong because only God can fix things?

They usually refuse to participate in politics and the military in general, if that's what you mean. Because then you would be putting man above god or whatever.

Those refusals are part of why the Nazis dumped them into camps along with the Jews, the Roma, etc.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong
A lot of the people at the time who you might call a scientist now, they knew that the main goals of alchemy (lead into gold with a process that wouldn't cost you more than the output would make up for, other mundane metals into valuable ones, elixirs of youth and eternal life yadda yadda) were ludicrous or likely impossible. Some believed that while they might not be impossible, they would be sinful or immoral to go for. They would avoid that sort of research (Newton didn't) and instead stick to things we'd classify as standard chemistry or other topics now.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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BarbarianElephant posted:

Vegans eat healthier, cause less cruelty, and practice self-denial.

Well no they eat provably more unhealthy, they cause more cruelty due to how their food is actually sourced, they do practice self-denial I guess? So you got 1 out of 3 right/

It's all by far less environmentally friendly than plain vegetarianism while you're at it.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Smeep posted:

hacker from New Zealand who became rich off of the piracy site megaupload and infamous due to legal proceedings around said piracy site, that's what I remember off the top of my head

He's not from New Zealand, he's from Germany, lived a lot of his life in Thailand and Hong Kong (both of those moves being to escape criminal charges), and then moved to New Zealand a few years before megaupload went down. He's stayed there as it's harder to prosecute him there.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Tias posted:

Someone itt once posted something about how the reason some online conspiracy nuts, freepers etc have A tendency to USE caps LOCK in odd PLACES is because schizophrenia makes you believe those particular words hold power to understanding the world around you, and because you don't realize you have schizophrenia, you bold those to try to make the same insight available to the reader.

Anyone know what I'm talking about? It's pretty interesting from a linguistic perspective, and I'd like to track down the post again.

It's that, but it's also something that comes up in a lot of advertising/marketing designs and is used to similar effect but in a more restrained way by plenty of good writers over time. It's also just something that you can do anywhere while you can't say bold or italicize. Or hell, just think about how many widespread versions of the bible use Capitalized Things to indicate something's special, especially Lord.

Most people will have seen it used to good effect at some point in their lives, even though attempting to imitate it tends to look silly.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong
Cracker Barrels are often specifically placed to be convenient for long haul truckers and road tripping families. They provide a reliable familiar sit-down restaurant to pair up with the fast food places in similar locations. An Applebee's or other chain restaurant like that often doesn't really fit into that sort of niche.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Kerning Chameleon posted:

...or at least it did, I think a year or two ago they entered into a deal with Yahoo, so now they just get their results straight from Yahoo and Bing and I guess cut Google from the aggregate. Don't know if that means they can still be considered "uncompromised," especially after the Verizon buyout. I mean, I still use it, but sometimes I flip back over to Google when I want to make sure I didn't miss anything important on a particular search.

Yahoo hasn't had their own search engine for many years now. Instead they've been rebranded Bing or Google results depending on what country you're in and what deal was last signed. Right now they use Bing primarily but also have an agreement to use Google.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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SocketWrench posted:

lol, more likely because Mohammed was an actual historical person on which a myth was built while Jesus is a myth made from multiple men...but hey, i know, religious folk can't admit their bullshit origins are bullshit

Er, no, Jesus was almost certainly a real person in the same way Mohammed was. And both men have had additional legendary attributes added to the common understanding of them over time, but hell a lot of people still believe plenty of myths about George Washington and he lived just a bit over 200 years ago with plenty of contemporary documentation.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Captain Monkey posted:

This is not true. Read up on the lack of historical evidence for Jesus. This ia definitely not the thread for it though.

There's no historical evidence for your great-great-great-great-great-grandfather either dude, but I'm pretty sure he existed.

There is nothing implausible about the basic story of Jesus: a guy with a common Roman Judea name who did typical manual labor for most of his life before turning to religion and doing some of his own preaching, and then getting hyped up by his followers until he pulls some stunt to anger the local powerbrokers. Just like there is nothing implausible about the basic story of Mohammed. It's actually far less likely that there was no original guy named, essentially, Josh, then that he was deliberately created by mixing up multiple individuals.

Remember we barely have records of emperors and important kings of a lot of that time, so it's hardly surprising that a guy who was only really important to a few hundred-few thousand people tops when he died isn't getting preserved through the ages.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Keeshhound posted:

Yeah, that one was a really bad loving idea in the first place, and was implemented even more poorly.

I also hope I don't need to explain to anyone why a national "the second amendment doesn't apply to you" list is not a precedent that we should actually want.

The idea of a right to own guns, is fake. Hope this helps.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Gort posted:

Oh sure, slavery was on its way out even without the war, no argument there. Just saying the initial rallying call for the North was "Preserve the Union!" rather than "Free all the slaves!" - though they moved towards the latter cry as the war went on.

The initial rallying cry for the North was "what the gently caress those crazy Southerners have actually fired on Federal troops on Federal installations". Because always remember, the confederacy started the loving war.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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All the former Soviet countries have parks that are dumping grounds for Lenin, Stalin, etc statues. Somehow the BUT REMEMBER HISTORY people don't have problems with that.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Cleretic posted:

Wait, THAT was what that one Goldeneye map was? An already good level just got even better.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_Monument_Park This is the one in Goldeneye the movie and game, though I don't recall if the movie actually was shot on site rather than just the establishing shots.

In the early days of the Soviet collapse, people simply dumped all sorts of Soviet era statues there haphazardly. Over time, it became more formal, many of the more interesting statues were brought up right for proper display, and it's quite a bit less chaotic today.

Still, all those statues are removed from their former places of honor.

fishmech fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Dec 23, 2017

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Lord Hydronium posted:

This just sort of slipped by uncommented on, but :stare:

The whole "America is divinely ordained" thing isn't anything new, but "Americans, not Jews, are the real chosen people" is a whole new level of crazy.

It's been around since the 1920s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

And in large part it derives this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism which really got developed in the 1830s-1850s in Britain.

fishmech fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Mar 25, 2018

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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ToxicSlurpee posted:

Those things should be entrapment for the reasons I stated; it's entirely possible that the person would normally not be the kind of person to buy drugs but suddenly decide to. Or they might mishear the police officer or be a total pushover who just does whatever other people say. It should be entrapment. The fact that it isn't considered entrapment by America's legal system is a serious problem.

No it shouldn't be entrapment, that makes no sense in any legal tradition in the world.


And if anything it's more justified to bust someone who "doesn't normally buy drugs" as opposed to a long-term addict who "normally" buys drugs.

ToxicSlurpee posted:

That just plain isn't true. Sting operations still exist and that isn't entrapment; that's catching people in the act. Undercover investigations that involve infiltrating already ongoing criminal activity also have literally nothing to do with entrapment. If people are already actively committing a crime then you can't entrap them.

A cop going "HEY ANYONE WANT TO BUY SOME CRIME DRUGS" is also a sting operation, dude.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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ToxicSlurpee posted:

You're misreading what I said. I never said that passively offering something and catching people actively searching for that is entrapment. That isn't at all entrapment.

Randomly offering it to people who aren't looking for it and then arresting them if they say yes is entrapment.

There's a difference between setting bait and waiting to see if anybody takes it and actively trying to get people to take the bait.

No, again, it is not entrapment.

Did some cop trick you when you were 19 or something? Is that why you're so mad about something and trying to be extremely wrong about what entrapment is?

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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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hobbesmaster posted:

It’s actually HIPAA violation for the doctor to refuse to give a patient his own records.

As far as I can see, HIPAA only requires that a doctor provides valid copies of all suitable records (certain records are exempted eg if you go to a psychotherapist you don't get to have the doctor's notes he recorded during a session unless he seperately agrees to it) and is not permitted to withold them due to you not paying, and may not charge more for the records than "reasonable fees" to cover costs of copying and mailing.

HIPAA does not say you can raid a doctor's office and take the original records. There are procedures for how to acquire copies you need and have them forwarded to other doctors and entities as needed.

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