JosefStalinator posted:

Anyone predicting the demise of the GOP is just wrong. All it takes is one recession, one major fuckup by Hillary or the Dems, or one dogwhistler who can control himself and sell himself as a center-right moderate (like W did) and the Republicans will be back in charge. They've got the house on lockdown until at least 2022, and will probably do well enough in 2020 to maintain their gerrymandered advantage.

Lightning Knight posted:

I think trying to project farther than about six months in politics is basically pointless and speculating on whether or not Hillary could win a second term when she still has to win the first one. To use a trite analogy, let's go back and time and ask people in March of 2001 what they think of the possibility of a massive scale multi-location terrorist attack on US soil using airplanes as weapons, that kill thousands of people. Usually it's not that extreme, but hey, only five years ago we were having the Arab Spring and the original debt ceiling crisis. A lot can change in politics very quickly.

Inferior Third Season posted:

The important thing for her is to get Supreme Court justices and other federal judges on the bench. And that will require a Senate majority. I think if the Republicans keep the Senate this year, Hillary can be kept to a one term presidency, and absolutely nothing of value beyond vetoing Congress's lovely bills will happen.

Grundulum posted:

Unhappily for this outlook, there are lots of other countries in the world that are still reliant on fossil fuels for energy production. Even if the US takes the lead and makes a massive shift towards baseline nuclear and green support, it's still a lot to ask of developing nations that they give up easy, cheap energy that they may already have within their borders.

canepazzo posted:

https://twitter.com/guardianworld/status/782176125766152192



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Noam Chomsky posted:

Cool. I may have to read the book he quotes in that article because it sounds like he is describing the present word for word, from 1998.

Nessus posted:

Yeah? I'd heard like 33%, but I expect the gap could adequately be explained by counting a slice of the Hispanic population in a different way.

I mean that's the thing, America HAS successfully resisted fascism in the past.

Eugene V. Dabs posted:

the moral of the story is race is weird and arbitrary, especially in America

botany posted:

Do you have a link or a source or something for this story? I'd like to read more on that.

quote:

"In 1688 Tong Guogang, an officer of the Chinese Plain Blue Banner, petitioned the Kangxi emperor to change his officially registered ethnicity from "Chinese-martial" (hanjun) to "Manchu". His great-uncle Tong Bunian had been been born in Liadong around 1580 but moved to Wuchang in central China. As a Wuchang native, he passed the metropolitan examination in 1616 served the Ming as a country magistrate, and later headed up the dynasty's military defences in the northeast. After a disastrous defeat Tong Bunian was accused of treason and died in prison in 1625, fervently proclaiming his loyalty to the Ming. His son Guoqi grew up in Wuchang and there composed a genealogy defending his father's Chinese patriotism by demonstrating descent from no fewer than ten generations of heroic Ming soldiers. But when Guoqi was taken captive during the Qing conquest of the Yangzi region in 1645 he and his family were impressed into the Chinese Plain Blue Banner.

As it turned out, other Tong men of Liaodong ancestry- men whom Guoqi had cadidly included in his genealogy- had been just as heroic in the cause of the conquering Qing armies as Tong Bunian had been in defense of the Ming. Indeed, one of those would become the maternal grandfather of the Kangxi emperor, making Tong Guogang himself Kanxi's uncle! The emperor thus granted Guogang's petition for reclasification as Manchu, noting, however, that it would be administratively awkward to similarly reclassify too many of his distant kin. From that day forward Tong Guogang and certain relatives of his became Manchus while others remained Chinese. In this time and place, ethnic identities were far from genetically predetermined but were flexible, ambigious and negotiable"

Prester Jane posted:

:thoughtful post asking for responsibility and calm at this time:

trash person posted:

Trump shill on CNN tries to compare Pussygate to Clinton Foundation. Poppy Harlow shut it down

PT6A posted:

It's ongoing. The Trump supporter is insane, he's having a full-on meltdown.

Crazy Ted posted:

Well they did a bang-up job of it in South Africa...

edrith posted:

remember how post-2012 there were all those jokes about nate silver riding the subway telling people the exact moment they'd die? i think owen ellickson has taken the prophetic staff this year

Lead out in cuffs posted:

For English-speaking white South Africans, yeah, this happens a lot.

Of course, we're like less than 5% of the country's population, so ponder that for a minute in terms of representation.

Geostomp posted:

Yes. Let the monster you built strangle you.

Anos posted:

Has a presidential nominee ever been this hosed before?

Casimir Radon posted:

Thing is she's too much of a dipshit to not get into fights in protective custody, let alone gen pop.

Paradoxish posted:

The challenge for the GOP is to convince people who won't vote for Trump to still get out and vote, all while not pissing off his insane supporters.

Instant Sunrise posted:

Night10194 posted:

Honestly GOP message discipline breaking down seems like a bad sign.

axeil posted:

Jason Pargin/David Wong is a really smart/thoughtful man and one of the only reasons I think Cracked has stayed afloat. I only listen to their podcast still just so I can hear the once a month episode with him. He's increadibly insightful.

Deified Data posted:

I realize trying to convince a group of people of the worth of a politically opposed cohort during election season is ultimately futile.

Lightning Knight posted:

You didn't answer my question. I didn't ask why. I asked how.

I think we should help rural poor white people but that's probably going to amount to imposed economic policies to move them towards cities and population centers. Rural living is mostly unsustainable economically. If you're ok with the idea that these people cannot sustain their way of life in a way they desire and that's still the best course of action, then sure. But they'll be kicking and screaming all the way and we'll face continuous criticism of authoritarianism and destroying good working rural people's lives in the process.

There is no win scenario here where they get to stay rural people and still be happy and not poor.

FactsAreUseless posted:

If people want to screw their neighbors or themselves in the name of a backwards-rear end ideology, don't let them. The federal government intervenes to protect the civil rights of minorities in conservative areas, they should also be providing a social safety net to protect people in those states from economic harm done by their own government. Even if that's their own fault or due to their own decisions. Higher minimum wages, guaranteed incomes, guaranteed health care, etc. etc. That's what not giving up on people in rural areas means. It doesn't mean you say "gosh, you guys are doing great, keep doing whatever you want." But it does mean listening to people and knowing what their problems are - their real problems, not "the drat immigrants" - so they can be effectively addressed.

FactsAreUseless posted:

Yeah, probably. It's happened before: see the VRA. Smarter people than me can deal with it. I don't want to see people die of preventable diabetes complications because they voted badly.

Mulaney Power Move posted:

why not just own what you say and go and kill some white people if that's how you really feel, instead of posting in the elitist white people forum.

Lightning Knight posted:

I feel like they probably don't want to become bizarro Amish, to be honest. That seems rather patronizing. They want their way of life to become mainstream again, culturally acceptable. They don't want to be quaint time capsules that aren't taken seriously.

Mulaney Power Move posted:

theflyingorc posted:

...funny how so many black people are getting lynched and it isn't making the news, then.

2spooky4me posted:

Empathy is hard guys.

Trabisnikof posted:

Lol at Democrats being the "center right" party

But the more you stay out of party politics the less power your voice will have so...

Stacks posted:

None of this matters though. Hillary is a shoe-in. The election is essentially over and your guys' candidate is going to win. Y'all should be ecstatic!

Trabisnikof posted:

Also it wasn't a center-right plan at the time, but the lens of history shifts what we count as being left.

Don't Ask Don't Tell being a good example of left of center policy then that seems very rightwing now.

lozzle posted:

Yeah you don't give a poo poo about people in the Middle East at all, just so you know. Or black people, gays, women, etc.

sarmhan posted:

Would you say she is shrill?

Eschers Basement posted:

loving FDR, that centrist cocksucker. Just gave us the Social Security we have rather than making it bigger or better.