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Lesson learned tonight, which Trump needs to bigly internalize in time for the next debate: The only way the republican ticket can not lose a debate outright is disavow anything Donald Trump has said
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Oct 5, 2016 04:40
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Thump! posted:It'd be ironic if this was in fact the thing that mattered though. There wasn't even a single interesting quotable moment. Any complaint about Kaine being rude, although true enough, is going to be easily defused by a reference to Donald Trump, seeing as he is the biggest rear end in a top hat ever
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Oct 5, 2016 04:40
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Azathoth posted:The people who would be influenced by the debate to finally come off the fence are people who would come around to one side or the other before the election, whether it was the previous debate, or one of the ones coming up, or some random news story. I have a theory that a lot of what Kaine said was designed to bait Trump himself, as it was announced that he would be live tweeting during the debate. I have to check and see if he tweeted anything especially egregious.
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Oct 5, 2016 04:42
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No cornographic images on c-spam pls
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Oct 5, 2016 04:42
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Only thing anyone will remember next week is how the RNC hosed up on their web page and prematurely declared victory.
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Oct 5, 2016 04:45
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the real takeaway: https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/783512170424307714
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Oct 5, 2016 04:45
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:the real takeaway: hahaha
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Oct 5, 2016 04:46
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:the real takeaway: jesus christ
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Oct 5, 2016 04:46
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:the real takeaway: lol.
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Oct 5, 2016 04:48
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:the real takeaway: I could not be happier about this.
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Oct 5, 2016 04:48
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:the real takeaway: Exactly what I thought and I heard MSNBC say they should show this debate to Trump as a lesson. Can't wait for a meltdown from Trump on that.
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Oct 5, 2016 04:48
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STAC Goat posted:I don't know that Pence was deliberately setting himself up for 2020 like pundits are saying but at some point of that debate (or maybe before) he clearly made the decision that he was playing for himself and didn't give a poo poo what Trump has said. I wouldn't count him out in 2020, if only because I think that his brand of Christian identity politics is gonna make a resurgence post-Trump. The usual names that come up in the primary for that particular Republican constituency are either multiple-time losers like Huckabee or Santorum, or one of the latest batch that Trump absolutely clobbered. Ted Cruz had a legit chance at filling in that spot, but with how the time has gone for him since his speaking slot at the convention, I'm not sure he'll survive the 2018 Senate primary right now, and unless he makes it past that, there's no way he gets another go-around on the national level.
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Oct 5, 2016 04:49
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Azathoth posted:He spent his entire term as governor loving up, publicly and repeatedly, and was essentially a coin-flip to win re-election in a solid red state. Based on that, I honestly wasn't expecting him to play the VP nomination so well after doing so badly as governor, but he's on a path to come out of this election ahead, regardless of whether he becomes VP. Pence did well enough that he threw himself into the 2020 conversation with Cruz and Rubio and Kasich or whoever. But he's gonna have to get through four years and a primary slog and I just don't think this was much of a show since he was never attacked for his own stuff and will have to deal with the fallout of him lying about all the easily provable trump stuff this week. His best hope is Trump makes a fool of himself tomorrow and quickly changes the subject so he can just hide out the next month and all people remember is that he "won" 90 minutes.
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Oct 5, 2016 04:56
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Gizmoduck_5000 posted:I have a theory that a lot of what Kaine said was designed to bait Trump himself, as it was announced that he would be live tweeting during the debate. I have to check and see if he tweeted anything especially egregious. Each time he brought up the reprehensible poo poo that Trump has done or said, he put Pence in a position to either deny it (in which case the ad is Pence looking like a stooge denying what they can play a clip of Trump saying) or defend it (in which case the ad is an attack on both of them for said reprehensible poo poo). Pence did a remarkably good job of bobbing and weaving as much as he could on those questions, but I think Hillary's media team is gonna be able to carve out some juicy stuff when all is said and done.
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Oct 5, 2016 04:58
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Someone pointed out how much of a burn the full verse that Kaine dropped is: "You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good. For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks." Mathew 12:34
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Oct 5, 2016 04:59
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:the real takeaway: HAHAHAH, oh lord. I guessed that would happen. its like a reverse palin(sorta) situation.
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Oct 5, 2016 05:05
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Pence didn't throw himself into 2020 anything. He supported Trump and the insanity that came with it. After this year Republicans will want to nuke this year from orbit, and Pence is a part of that.
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Oct 5, 2016 05:09
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Philthy posted:Pence didn't throw himself into 2020 anything. He supported Trump and the insanity that came with it. After this year Republicans will want to nuke this year from orbit, and Pence is a part of that. this too. If the GOP is smart and thinking long term(they dont) they will loving pull exterminatus on the trumpists/trump and any opportunistic shithead who supported them. everyone attached wont have an ear or hand in the GOP anymore.
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Oct 5, 2016 05:11
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Azathoth posted:I don't think you're far off. There was certainly some of that, but I think a bunch of it was also designed to be attack ad material. Yeah, while I think that Pence came off looking better on camera, the story going forward is going to be about him denying things which there are video records of. This was definitely a win for Clinton's long game.
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Oct 5, 2016 05:13
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Dapper_Swindler posted:this too. If the GOP is smart and thinking long term(they dont) they will loving pull exterminatus on the trumpists/trump and any opportunistic shithead who supported them. everyone attached wont have an ear or hand in the GOP anymore. I always just assumed that Mike Pence was a sacrificial lamb. If you got any real scrutiny, people would absolutely despise him.
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Oct 5, 2016 05:14
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Philthy posted:Pence didn't throw himself into 2020 anything. He supported Trump and the insanity that came with it. After this year Republicans will want to nuke this year from orbit, and Pence is a part of that. People are saying that this election will be the end of the GOP. I'm not sure I believe that, though. I think that Trump will make any republican presidential candidate going forward look that much better by comparison. EDIT: I'm durping. Of course it's not the end of the republican party. They'll still control congress and the majority of state houses. Sorry.
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Oct 5, 2016 05:16
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Kaine did the right thing to interrupt and attack trump. Pence is the typical good ole boy, smug, say horrible things with a smile type that the media and average joe love. By constantly tying pence to trump's insanity, kaine forced trump back on the stage and blurred the optics of pence's poo poo eating grin. The more pence defended trump the more his image was married to trump's and if he tried to avoid it, it made him seem ashamed, which is exactly what people don't want to feel for supporting an obviously bad bad no good very terrible guy like trump. Its like fouling a player in the NBA before an easy shot. Sure, they get 2 free throws but you prevent points temporarily and force the player to work just a little harder to score.
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Oct 5, 2016 05:16
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i got a haircut instead of watching this and i do not regret my decision
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Oct 5, 2016 05:19
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I watched a video on how to micromanage in Victoria 2 and I do not regret my decision.
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Oct 5, 2016 05:25
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Pick posted:I always just assumed that Mike Pence was a sacrificial lamb. If you got any real scrutiny, people would absolutely despise him. Hes a "principled" conservative who could give Trump backing with the NeverTrumpers and had no clear political future because he hosed things up recently so he had nothing to lose. Maybe he comes out of this a 2020 contender and maybe he comes out roadkill, but he was hosed anyway if he didn't jump on the Trump Train. Which is the place must people in the Trump Campaign were.
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Oct 5, 2016 05:26
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Pence crushed it in this debate. He won the demeanor and tone award, which is all that matters. Only idiots think that facts or well reasoned arguments mean anything
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Oct 5, 2016 05:26
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Listening to this on the radio was the weirdest goddamn thing. Tim Kaine is NOT a man you want to sell on voice alone. Jesus.
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Oct 5, 2016 05:26
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There is a white girl holding up a "BLACKS FOR TRUMP" sign behind the msnbc table right now??
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Oct 5, 2016 05:29
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Trash Trick posted:There is a white girl holding up a "BLACKS FOR TRUMP" sign behind the msnbc table right now?? Wouldn't be the first time. 
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Oct 5, 2016 05:32
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Dapper_Swindler posted:this too. If the GOP is smart and thinking long term(they dont) they will loving pull exterminatus on the trumpists/trump and any opportunistic shithead who supported them. everyone attached wont have an ear or hand in the GOP anymore. It's way too late for that, though. The DNC is busily snapping up every tweet and recording they can of literally anyone vaguely affiliated with the Republican Party saying anything good about Trump. Hillary isn't just going to burn their fields, she's going to salt their earth.
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Oct 5, 2016 05:38
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oneforthevine posted:Listening to this on the radio was the weirdest goddamn thing. Tim Kaine is NOT a man you want to sell on voice alone. Jesus. Most annoying voice Kinda a screechy whine Shrill in a kid/boy way at times even Hell, hillary's voice during the first debate was actually really good, I'm sure she focused on it due to her lung infection plus anything would sound good next to ol' sniffles
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Oct 5, 2016 05:40
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pencve is a stupid loathesome gently caress who hasn't answered a direct question posed to him since the early 90's and has a hard-on for gay suicide camps i hope the next 33 days are him having to defend Trump's statements to people who have video clips of them being said
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Oct 5, 2016 05:54
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Zippy the Bummer posted:Pence crushed it in this debate. He won the demeanor and tone award, which is all that matters. Only idiots think that facts or well reasoned arguments mean anything Ryan won on demeanor or tone too and look how that turned out fact is nobody cares about the VP debate so it's just a matter of who created the most dirt to run with Pence threw Trump under the bus and that seems to be the running narrative now that it's clear that focus groups saw it as basically a wash in terms of who won
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Oct 5, 2016 05:55
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Dapper_Swindler posted:this too. If the GOP is smart and thinking long term(they dont) they will loving pull exterminatus on the trumpists/trump and any opportunistic shithead who supported them. everyone attached wont have an ear or hand in the GOP anymore. Lol like the GOPe has that type of power.
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Oct 5, 2016 06:07
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I kept getting confused who was the senator and who was the governor, and when I was trying to text my friends about it I kept typing "Paine". Thank goodness it's over. Eat the rich and the unborn for all I care.
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Oct 5, 2016 06:10
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So was there any kind of "winner" from this debate that most people would agree upon?
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Oct 5, 2016 06:38
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Teikanmi posted:So was there any kind of "winner" from this debate that most people would agree upon? Pence, but the academic articles 20 years from now will argue Kaine really won sorta.
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Oct 5, 2016 06:40
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Teikanmi posted:So was there any kind of "winner" from this debate that most people would agree upon? Pence looked better on-air, but only because Kaine didn't have an effective response to his steady stream of lies and flat denials that Trump said the well-publicized things he said. Pence dropped some easily disprovable and, in some cases, offensive sound bites that Hillary's campaign can use very effectively in ads, and there are some rumblings that Trump is pissed that people are saying Pence did better than him, so in the long run it's probably a net loss for the Trump campaign.
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Teikanmi posted:So was there any kind of "winner" from this debate that most people would agree upon? pence "won" but it was a pyrrhic victory because he did it by flat out lying about trump not saying the things he's said and distancing himself as much from trump as possible. so basically a wash.
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