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Fitzy Fitz posted:OoFs have small body size WHAT?! I'll take obscure poo poo not communicated to the player for 600, Alex. God, and I've been playing this game since .5 ...
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Superterranean posted:crawl stone soup was awesome until I got tired of holding down tab or playing an idiot firestorm vehumet blaster DE Come this way, down this alley, to the dark side, we call it Sil...
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Floodkiller posted:I need something to do while waiting for more dev review on Cyno (or whatever new name it is going to be: likely Gnoll from the looks of it). Since Charms is kind of empty after all the cuts and buff spells sound like a good place to mix up combat between Tab and Blaster Mage, it sounds like a good spot for some new content. Damage amplification - You both give and receive more damage, a la lovely amulet. Both the effect and the duration increase with spellpower. Low level spell. Alacrity - Your next non-movement action takes 0 aut. Examples including casting passwall, attacking with the dark maul, Formicid shafting, and swapping heavy armours midcombat. It creates a buff that rapidly expires, but scales generously with spellpower, allowing for leeway ("I don't know if I want to shaft myself yet, but I might in 7 turns time"). Mid level spell to make the mana cost onerous. Touch mind - The forbidden divinations school returns! High level spell, reveals all monsters in a large, spellpower-dependant AoE around you, but they are alerted to your presence also. Instant effect only. That took about 5 minutes to think of and write.
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Darth Windu posted:Use a similar formula for a big brother infusion then Or rather, don't. Every time another 1d(foo) gets added to crawl code base, a pixie dies
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Captain Monkey posted:D-d-d-die rolls!!! In my roguelike?! Specifically 1d() die rolls, since they have huge variance for no good reason, and crawl code is rife with nested 1d() rolls, which is the most convoluted way possible to create weighted distribution. It's actually really easy to have Rng that's transparent, but crawl is well down the rabbit hole. I pour out a liter of Malt every thing I think of those poor devs who dived, yet never came back up.
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Apr 4, 2017 04:03
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Some of those sound like /amazing/ background classes, but it's just not something that crawl could do.
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Apr 7, 2017 12:21
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When Gnolls where first introduced I was authentically excited about them as a new race, which is rare. The idea of basically getting all your skills to 12 instantly then playing gnoll-crawl for the rest of the game was intriguing. But 12 was too low, now it's 15, and it's not quite instantaneous to get there but it sure as hell stops once it does. Feedback suggests it's not very exciting, which is a shame. I'd play it myself but I have a firm no-trunk policy after losing a few too many characters to half-implemented changes (my most salty was surprise Manticore barbs, which where happy to let you walk around for insane dmg w/o warning). Possibly suggestion which might horribly break flavor but make the race interesting? Allow one skill to go above the soft cap, maybe the first to get past it, and for the rest of the skills the cap becomes hard. So you could have 27 in e.g. Hexes, but the rest of your skills are stuck at 12ish. Allows for a lot of versatility on how you want to build your dude, and keeps them competitive with other races where players pick their skill-of-choice during character creation ("I want to cast tornado, so Tengu it is!")
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Apr 10, 2017 04:24
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Lure them. For a 'melee guy' you can easily mash them up in around a dozen attacks, and might get around one mutation per OoF if done right. Don't half-rear end it with ranged options. If they are clustered, set an autoexplore exclusion about them and walk away; they'll naturally split up over time. OoF's are literally the hardest non-unique enemy in the game barring random panlord generation, they are the true 'gatekeepers' that orb guardians pretend to be. You pay a consumable/mutation tax per encounter, and 'hard' zot runs are defined by how many naturally generate. They're fine.
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Uh, yea, OoFs are speed 20. Don't try to run across the continent with one on your rear end. Or, at least, burn an item or two to outpace it...
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Apr 10, 2017 18:48
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Yea, that's exactly what I was talking about before with the whole nested 1d(foo) stuff. But then someone goes and jumps on you likeSome punter posted:D-d-d-die rolls!!! In my roguelike?! This is an objectively great change, and I'm one of the unwashed masses who always thought spell success was smooth. I mean, why wouldn't it be? Up next: finding out Unique monsters generate based on items dropped in the previous level, and can be easily determined by observant players.
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Araganzar posted:I've already had one dev PM me and basically say I had a child's understanding of combat and another come into my webtiles game and set me straight about my "shitpost on STR", so I think it's safe to say my conclusions are not widely recognized among the crawlligentsia. Carcer posted:Are you saying that crawl devs read your post here, and rather than write a correction or rebuttal they decided confronting you in a game was the better idea? I'm actually rather skeptical of this tbqh. Most devs have never been shy about rebuttals, and then supposedly contacting you in the one place with no paper trail is rather dramatic.
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Apr 17, 2017 02:43
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Apr 17, 2017 12:34
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You'd almost be better just grabbing the most current stable build and patching odd features back in; there's probably a lot of under-the-hood improvements that would be a waste to undo
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Apr 17, 2017 14:58
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Speleothing posted:I'd like to see Clarity make a comeback, since probably half of my deaths have involved confusion lately. Working as intended! /cackles
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Apr 17, 2017 15:32
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Lawdog69 posted:Holy moly, don't try to do slime without rCorrode. Just lost the manliest MiFi ever (cleared hells, lair runes and abyss with 0 problems) because I got instantly corroded to -40 after moving off some stairs and was eaten by some dumb jellies You know, a lot of people where vocal about their support of removing 'gotchas' in crawl, but I honestly think we can all band together and say you brought that on yourself. Next up: don't go into literal fantasy volcanoes without heat resistance, and Cocytus has an icy lake, yo.
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Carcer posted:Is it communicated anywhere the walls in slime do damage and corrode? A first time player/new player isn't necessarily going to connect slime and corrosion in their minds so the first time they realize they need Rcorrode for slime is the above scenario, which is a gotcha. As mentioned, most entrance vaults have corrosive walls, and it's a branch explicitly labeled after the prototypical corrosive enemy, usually with a few of them hanging around to remind you of it.
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Floodkiller posted:
That's brilliant. I have no idea if that's intended behavior or not, but I hope it stays in even if it isn't - I know there's a lot of 'gotchas must be removed' but that's too good to go.
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May 3, 2017 03:30
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Most trogolytes in heavy armour can just drop a spellbook, use the divine book burning, and press 5 until the hydra dies.
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May 9, 2017 13:36
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Was it a paralysis roll? That might be more an issue of paralysis than zot traps. Shoulda put more points in T&D to stop this from happening!
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Sage Grimm posted:The base formula is (Spellcasting/2 + 2*avg school skill) * INT/10 * (1.5 ^ enhancer count). There's some diminishing returns that kick in after 50 but it's not important to your question. Minor nit; by that formula INT might be the most important thing if you're lacking in it. Also for 2-3 school spells, raising spellcasting can sometimes be more xp-savvy when you look at the relative cost of each skill.
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:Effortpost I like the chain of thought, and while I do agree that spellcasting has been nerfed away from 'win at everything cuz you have mana', the example you chose of a DgFE is not one I'd ever recommend to anyone, ever. Demigods are terrible at everything in the most literal way possible, with no crutches to carry them but for high stats (meh). If both chars where Dgs, or the caster was a DE, they'd be more comparable. But yes, this is a historical problem with Crawl and RLs in general, these games reward you for being tricky and eking the most out of your actions and resources, and spells typically do just that. I'm not proposing any solutions or giving criticism regarding blaster-mages, just noting that it's a nontrivial issue.
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rchandra posted:Casting Ball Lightning when you meant to cast Refrigeration and taking 113 damage while you have -Potion status from earlier Refrig is not ideal. RIP Wyrmbane god. Or maybe not have CBL memorized ever if you're not wearing rElec 24/7
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Get points in throwing so he'll gift you javs?
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pathetic little tramp posted:It was possible to play as a DgDK? DK's (at some point) weren't Yred worshippers, but rather hybrids like reavers with points in necro.
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LCS is still hot trash iirc, redeemed only by being so boring that nobody wants to cut it.
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The "+5 to all" gimmick was tried just recently with that dog race that loses interest. The comment was that early game was comical and you had vaults-level weapon skill walking into lair. 10/10/10 sounds more reasonable as a starting point, how the heck 7's got on the table bemuses me. This point was also raised with the dog race: having huge positive stats across the board is amazing on paper, but in reality most races will be dumping most of their xp into positive stat stuff anyways, it's why ppl pick thinks like MiBe's and DECj's etc. I've got a good non-rhetorical question: Why aren't we exploring new races without extreme gimmicks, but rather interesting apt distributions with minimal slot restrictions? Stuff like merfolk are the classic good example this: they have a wicked weapon apt, but no str and crap armour, making them the prototypical gadiator-ice-hyrbid. It'd be fun to try, I dno, necro-armour ("death knight") guy who doesn't have to deal with DD's crap.
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The devs have done a great job differentiating the high level blasty spells, not just the lvl9 ones. But yea, all four have distinctive pros and cons and for some hypothetical 72 rune char getting all four online is valid
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Doors have always been ways of dicking with clouds, both in DCSS and roguelikes in general
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That's XCOM baby! Oh wait wrong thread
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baby delivery truck posted:Unrelated: Poison vapor, animate skeleton, conjure flame, mephitic cloud, blink, a few others, are all so amazingly useful and strong level 1-3 spells especially compared to their counterparts. I don't want them nerfed, I want to know why throw flame exists. The weaker Conjuration spells are there for their ease of use to newer player who want to grab some mana and shove it at people. The blaster mage playstyle segues well into midgame and lategame booms, swapping the old for the new. (Assuming you can find the spells in the first place ofc) Throw flame doesn't have to (nor should it-) have comparable dps nor mana efficiency to conjure flame. One is more broadly applicable in simple and panic scenarios, the other rewards setup. Similarly, animate skeleton exists at lvl1 because we like necromancers and it's a cool/fluffy playstyle, albeit nerfed horribly with timed summons. Moving it to higher levels is just mean. DCSS doesn't have to designed exclusively around grognard balance, stuff like 'flavor', 'fun', 'accessibility', etc are also part of good game design.
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gently caress all of you, I guess I'll update from .19 because they sound so fun. Are Gnolls in trunk or a special branch hidden somewhere?
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Sigh, I give up. I've never been able to get loving trunk working with apt on linux. It's like I'm typing it in wrong somehow so it just reverts back to Ubuntu's old .17. Guess I'll just have to wait.
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I don't even agree with it in theory, for the reasons you stated above.
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Pacra posted:How to play crawl online via console (ASCII) : I don't like online crawl, for a variety of reasons. I'd rather just have someone explain to me why I keep loving up the apt repositories when trying to find trunk.
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redneck nazgul posted:Give Formicids the ability to wield GSCs and no shield. You jest, but Formicids used to be able to do this during testing. It was cut, as it impacted the specialness of ogres and trolls, and their shield apt was buffed to drive their gimmick home. This might be found ironic given the later Ogre M&F changes, but DCSS's history is littered with inconsistent design logic, nature of the crowd-sourced beast.
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I'm assuming Gnolls? A +10 broad axe of speed is pretty much one of the best hypothetical one-handers in existence, it's up to you if can handle the int hit.
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Floodkiller posted:Here's the dev plan for 0.21 if anyone is interested (finally created 22 days ago). Dev pace is still glacial at the moment, so probably don't expect a release soon. My local version of crawl is .19.5, didn't even know .20 was out. Not that I particularly care, but I decided to take a skim of what they have planned: -Removal of monster respawns, increased initial monsters with some awake -Gui improvements regarding 'training targets' (?) -Don't call Gnolls Gnolls, and also why is strong nose in the game (thankfully gammafunk's arguing against all of this) -Wand stacking/merging. Remove scrolls of recharging. -Swamp revamp via removal of frogs etc and stronger plant theme, new water generation -Removal of Player Ghosts being discussed -Removal of Food being discussed. Regardless, new UI for autoeating -Council God still not good enough to add All in all, it's really reinforcing the stereotype of streamlining the GUI while trying to find what can be cut. Also, as other just mentioned, those bigger reformation projects seem to be abandoned husks =/
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FulsomFrank posted:How many people lamented that [item destruction] removal and are begging for its return today? Me, for one. I miss it, I thought it was good tension, rewarded careful play, punished ppl who hoard consumables instead of using them, etc etc. I miss it. I also play cogmind, so... Fitzy Fitz posted:No amount of balancing can make item destruction fun because it's fundamentally bad. A lot of RLs have item destruction and degradation, and I actually can't think of any one that I've played extensively that doesn't have the mechanic. Nethack (albeit briefly), Powder, DCSS, Brouge, Sil, and now Cogmind. I won't defend Nethack and I barely touched it, but otherwise DCSS is the only one that has people with a stick up their arse about the game effecting their equipment. Honestly, a lot of the song and dance about it encouraging poor behavior is probably due to how in Crawl there's a very large aspect of being "Safe and in Control". We have cleared out areas, that when combined with a food clock that's easy to sidestep with sustenance rings, result players trying very hard not to step outside their comfort zone and risk having negative power progress. So having enemies that dare to damage the player in a way that's more than trivially transient is considered horrendous. I'll state it again, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with Item degradation/destruction, but DCSS's philosophy regarding player behavior, "optimal play" (lol), etc is what's at fault.
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Floodkiller posted:-Scrolls of recharging have been removed; they mainly existed (from a development standpoint) to provide more wand charges for capped wands without forcing the player to carry around multiple duplicate wands. See, I would never have seen it that way, and I'm sure many players are would agree; I used them to buff the wand I valued most, from invis for lowlvl stabbers to teleport/healwounds for lategame tanks. That feels like they're removing player autonomy and calling it progress. Also rods, but lol.
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InternetKraken, you might agree with the dev's mentality, but not everyone plays exactly that way. I used invis wands on stabbers, or used disintegrate as anti-hydra, or spammed dig on the rare occasion. I never even *considered* recharge as a replacement for carrying a 2nd wand that I want. I'd just carry the second. It's not as if they have weight anymore!
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