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botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

blackguy32 posted:

I still find it really creepy that Asian women are so sought after when it comes to interracial dating.

Pretty sure that's just straight up misogyny. Asian women tend to be smaller than white women on average and have a reputation for being demure and obedient. Pretty much every guy I've ever met who was a little too into Asian women was just a huge rear end in a top hat about women and basically wanted a real doll for a girlfriend.

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botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

It's Orientalism. Asian women are the ultimate exotic creature because they speak some mysterious other language, and our society loves to pin all these weird stereotypes on them about how they're good homemakers, dedicated wives, etc.

I mean, look at this poo poo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_bGjxVQS-4

:catstare: what the gently caress

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Koalas March posted:

Man, Negrotown was a lot more fun before the you-know-whos started moving in, I tell you what.

listen the beastie boys fought and possibly died for my right to party wherever i want, so shove it :colbert:

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax
I hope you're all safe and manage to stay that way. Not sure what else to say.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

FactsAreUseless posted:

I know "please report" isn't a great response, but I'm serious when I say that threads are moving super fast right now. Please PM someone, or multiple someones, and report as well, or w/e. Just give the mod/admin team a heads-up, otherwise we will not be able to keep up with them.

Might as well ask you this here: If you get the "this thread has recently been reported" message, does that mean what it says or does it mean that the *post* has recently been reported? That's always confused me.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

FactsAreUseless posted:

It's the post. That message is wildly dated and for some reason has never been changed. The report system - hell, the moderation system as a whole - is a patchwork of barely-functioning code that Radium tacked onto vBulletin and that ZDR has desperately tried to stop from collapsing.

I see, thanks.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

negromancer posted:

It's funny watching white people on this site try to explain Trumps victory as anything other than a vote on white supremacy. There isn't a SINGLE issue that Trump is better on for any subgroup, except ONE:

White nationalism and white supremacy, and it's the most powerful plank. Goldwater knew it, its how the Southern Strategy worked. They dogwhistle promised that restoration of white supremacy and white people emptied their pockets and their towns to try and get that promise fulfilled, and Trump came along and explicitly promised it.

White people did this, and no one else. The fact that white people cant own the poo poo that's directly in their faces gives me no hope that the basic nature of white America has changed since the 1700s.

It's because a lot of white districts and counties that went Trump this time went for Obama last time, and if there's anything white people are sure of, it's that having voted for a black guy makes them not racist, regardless of what happened between those votes.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Secular Humanist posted:

People really want it to be okay to be super racist toward white people for some reason.

luckily thats impossible

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

PantherWill posted:

Well, seeing as how it's Veteran's Day and all and we're supposed to thank a vet, from one vet to another, thanks negromancer for everything you've done and will hopefully continue to do.

Goddamn, that sounds like some greeting card poo poo, doesn't it?

negromancer posted:

Hoo-rah.

I have no idea what other branches do but I'm sure their sound is some terrible knockoff derivative of the Marines

I've been meaning to ask this: how does the black community feel about the armed forces? As a foreigner, it's somewhat surprising for me to see an exchange like this, since the US armed forces are by all metrics a bastion of white supremacy, with no top brass having any melanin, women and religious minorities being subject to absolutely disastrous behaviour, and the fact that the army, as the strong arm of US foreign policy, serves to uphold the status quo. But then again I don't have any lived experience to go on, all I can do is read statistics and listen. So I'm listening now -- what's your feeling on the armed forces and your place within them as PoC?

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

negromancer posted:

We have no business in the Armed Forces fighting for poo poo in this country. If you look at the treatment of black people in the military, it's planly evident we have no business fighting for it. Hell, look at our National Anthem that makes light of murdering black slaves in the 3rd stanza.

That being said, sometimes its the only path to avoid jail (my case), afford an education (other's cases), or provide for your family, and I would never begrudge anyone in those situations.

This was pretty much my gut feeling as well, but it's nice to get some perspective, thank you. If anyone else wants to contribute views or anecdotes, I'd very much appreciate it.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

quote:

Judge Megan Shanahan declared a mistrial in the trial of former University of Cincinnati police officer Ray Tensing. Tensing was charged with murder and voluntary manslaughter in connection with the shooting death of motorist Sam DuBose. Tensing shot DuBose during a traffic stop in July 2015. After several days of deliberations, the jury was hung, and so the judge was forced to declare a mistrial early Saturday morning

There was never any doubt that Tensing shot DuBose, so the main question at the trial was whether Tensing had a reasonable belief that DuBose posed a threat to cause him death or great bodily harm. Based on the testimony, that question seemed to hinge on whether jurors believed the defense’s argument that Tensing thought he was being dragged by DuBose’s vehicle at the time he fired the shot.

During closing arguments, prosecutors tried to drive home their theory that DuBose’s vehicle did not move before the fatal shot was fired.


Assistant Hamilton County Prosecutor Mark Piepmeier told jurors, “Mr. Tensing was not dragged” by the DuBose’s vehicle. Piepmeier argued the physical showed Tensing only “ran along the car a short distance, stumbled and fell.” He also reminded jurors that the prosecution’s video expert concluded the vehicle did not move before the shot was fired.

The defense stressed during closing argument that DuBose knew he had a large amount of marijuana and probable drug money in possession and that is why he tried to flee.

Attorney Stew Matthews also said the body camera does not necessarily tell the whole story about what Tensing was feeling at the time he fired the fatal shot. He also asked the jurors to put themselves in Tensing’s shoes when making that decision.

“Ask yourselves, would I have done anything different to protect myself?” Matthews asked jurors.

After approximately 22 hours of deliberations over portions of three days, jurors informed Judge Shanahan on Friday evening that they would need to return on Saturday morning to continue deliberations. They came back Saturday, unable to come up with a verdict.

10 white guys and 2 black guys in the jury magically end up deadlocked hmmmmmmmmmm


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

quote:

Tensing said he was often unaware of a driver’s race, did not single people out unfairly and wasn’t racist.

quote:

He said prosecutors tried to use race as “a smokescreen.”They pointed to Tensing’s T-shirt worn under his uniform that day. The “Great Smoky Mountains” shirt had a Confederate flag on it. Mathews said it had “no evidentiary value.”

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

negromancer posted:

I wouldn't mind if a black version of The Punisher existed.

One black version, one Native American version, teaming up to cleanse the country of white people. That might actually get me to read comic books.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Ma'am are you lost? Do you need assistance?



:chanpop:

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Minimalist Program posted:

HAha you're weird as heck dude maybe take a long break from the internet.

gently caress off

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Darko posted:

In other news, a not that close but still friend that I grew up and is black committed suicide yesterday. One of the complaints that he has been harping on recently is about how America really sees black people as evidenced by the recent election.

Well gently caress. Sorry for your loss.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

What does "general" mean in that study?

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Trabisnikof posted:

General populous I believe.

Edit: of whites

Edit2: just looked it up, the study was on UVA students. So that's among college students at UVA and then a lot of the analysis is on the white participants.

http://m.pnas.org/content/suppl/2016/03/30/1516047113.DCSupplemental/pnas.201516047SI.pdf

Thanks, clicking the link gave me a 404.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Holy poo poo they were doing that in the eighties?

It took until the mid-70 for the worst excesses of electroshock therapy to fall out of favor. Psychiatry and developmental psychology were focused on creating fully controllable perfect little clone children for a long-rear end time.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

there wolf posted:

Yeah, but that's art. Art History is one of those subjects that is dull as dishwater to anyone without a knack for rote memorization because you need to know so many names and dates, and with even less of the story aspect you get with regular history.

I'm not American but that's the opposite of my experiences with Art History. I haven't studied it but I dated an art historian and sat in a bunch of lectures. That poo poo was fascinating and super fun :shrug:

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

It's troubling that New Balance's marketing guy is a Trumper, but OTOH it seems like one of the best things you can do to try to fix our society is to buy poo poo that is made in the USA. The more jobs there are here, the less ground conservatives have to stand on when claiming that liberals and minorities are destroying the economy.

:psyduck: were you not around for the Benghazi Spectacular 2000? It doesn't matter if you have any ground to stand on, all that matters is how much penetration your message gets.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

negromancer posted:

The crazy thing about it is, I'm born and raised in Chicago, and people have known about it FOREVER, especially our parent's generation, and they did fuckall. Like, the dude used to be parked in front of my high school, trying to talk to teenage girls, and no one did poo poo. It was "OH R. KELLY IS HERE!". Like, everyone knew what he was there for. IF we knew it at 13, how the hell did the parents and administration not, and just turn a blind rear end eye to it?

Even today, with everyone knowing right now, its a club in Chicago playing R. Kelly and people getting excited, and that's just abhorrent to me.

holy poo poo :stare:

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

negromancer posted:

Black dudes love DBZ. You can talk to the hardest dude in the street and he will have an opinion on DBZ. I honestly don't know more than 2 black dudes that haven't watched it.

Is there a reason for that?

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax
Is there a list or a blog or whatever out there that collects all the instances of racist casting decisions in Hollywood movies? From blackface / yellowface to whitewashing, i.e. let's cast Tom Cruise as the last samurai also all our Egyptians are now played by British men. I realize this isn't really a question specific to the black experience in the US but I figured this would be the best place to ask.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Nude posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VR2nuN3Oo4
Stumbled across this video, I don't know about channels but I think this is a pretty good start to researching racism in Hollywood. Don't really follow blogs, but Black on Black Cinema (it's a really good podcast) analyzes films and talks about them from both a cinematic and from a black perspective, also since I'm talking about podcasts Friends Like Us is another good one more about comedy, with a round table of black woman comics and one guest. There is a lot of range on the podcast from interviewing news casters to other comics in the scene.

Thank you for this post :cheers:

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

What's this stand for?

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Trabisnikof posted:

Historically Black Colleges and Universities

Aaaah the "and" tripped me up, thanks.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

biracial bear for uncut posted:

It comes up in Google results prior to the assassination that matters when you search "Shot in 1968".

You have Robert Kennedy first, then Andy Warhol, then only the very last result on the first page being MLK Jr. (maybe even being pushed to the first result on the second page depending on how many results load when you run the search).

That depends on your search history I think, it's the second result for me.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

McCloud posted:

Lemme ask a question. People in this thread mentioned prisons are being used for what is in practice slave labor. But isn't that actually detrimental to the economy as a whole? The "employer" of the slaves, which I assume is the state, get free labor sure, but if they'd have hired people to do this instead you could reduce unemployment, put more money in circulation, more people buy stuff and even if the state budget takes a bit of a hit everyone is better off in the end, right? It's like a ministimulus. Or am I just dumb? My grasp of economics is sophomoric at best I'll admit.

There's a couple of wrong assumptions here.
First off, not all prisons are state prisons. The private prison industry is large and, thanks to the election of Trump, growing massively. So that's already profit in private sector hands at ridiculous rates, since inmates are obviously not paid fair wages.
Secondly, even in the case of state prisons, sometimes there are massive incentives for the state to employ prison labor. In the 19th century, the impoverished southern states did not have the money to build prisons, so they leased out their prisoners to private companies for slave labor, in return for massive payments. This helped both the state and the companies. (It was abolished in the 40s, but work release programs live on. McDonalds couldn't operate without prisoners making beef patties and chicken nuggets and so on. Companies also get tax rebates for being kind enough to give those poor prisoners some way to be useful members of society.)
Third, even if you hired free citizens do to that work, there's a conflict of interests here. You're right that reducing unemployment would ultimately be a mini-stimulus, which is good for the state economy (provided the labor isn't outsourced to other states), but the companies who profit from work release programs, and the private prisons that use the slave labor are not interested in the state economy, they're interested in their bottom lines. Even the state budget makers are unlikely to spend a whole lot of money now for hopefully some bigger returns in the future, since that's a good way to lose your seat. And that's not even talking about the all-American "tough on crime" bullshit that pervades the popular culture, especially on the republican side.
Lastly, courts have consistently held that (a) prisoners can be forced to work but (b) do not have a right to be compensated, being paid "by the grace of the state" only. Taken all together it's hard to see a way out of this other than fixing the 13th amendment.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

HotCanadianChick posted:

Ah, one small correction here, at the present it is actually beginning the process of shrinking: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/08/18/justice-department-says-it-will-end-use-of-private-prisons/

On the federal level. This doesn't impact state decisions. Coincidentally, as your own article points out:

quote:

While experts said the directive is significant, privately run federal prisons house only a fraction of the overall population of inmates. The vast majority of the incarcerated in America are housed in state prisons — rather than federal ones — and Yates’ memo does not apply to any of those, even the ones that are privately run.

And that's an article from August. You're wrong on the current trend as well:

http://www.citylab.com/crime/2016/11/why-private-prison-stocks-are-soaring/507626/

quote:

Among the big winners buoyed by Donald Trump’s victory? The private prison industry. Shares of CoreCivic (formerly known as Corrections Corporation of America) and GEO Group, the two biggest players in the business, jumped 43 and 21 percent, respectively, the day after the election.

Over the last week, their fortunes have continued to rise as Trump’s recent public statements affirm his aggressive deportation plans.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/30/opinion/i-am-a-dangerous-professor.html

quote:

I Am a Dangerous Professor

George Yancy


Those familiar with George Orwell’s “1984” will recall that “Newspeak was designed not to extend but to diminish the range of thought.” I recently felt the weight of this Orwellian ethos when many of my students sent emails to inform me, and perhaps warn me, that my name appears on the Professor Watchlist, a new website created by a conservative youth group known as Turning Point USA.

I could sense the gravity in those email messages, a sense of relaying what is to come. The Professor Watchlist’s mission, among other things, is to sound an alarm about those of us within academia who “advance leftist propaganda in the classroom.” It names and includes photographs of some 200 professors.

The Watchlist appears to be consistent with a nostalgic desire “to make America great again” and to expose and oppose those voices in academia that are anti-Republican or express anti-Republican values. For many black people, making America “great again” is especially threatening, as it signals a return to a more explicit and unapologetic racial dystopia. For us, dreaming of yesterday is not a privilege, not a desire, but a nightmare.

The new “watchlist” is essentially a new species of McCarthyism, especially in terms of its overtones of “disloyalty” to the American republic. And it is reminiscent of Cointelpro, the secret F.B.I. program that spied on, infiltrated and discredited American political organizations in the ’50s and ’60s. Its goal of “outing” professors for their views helps to create the appearance of something secretly subversive. It is a form of exposure designed to mark, shame and silence.

So when I first confirmed my students’ concerns, I was engulfed by a feeling of righteous indignation, even anger. The list maker would rather that we run in shame after having been called out. Yet I was reminded of the novel “The Bluest Eye” in which Toni Morrison wrote that anger was better than shame: “There is a sense of being in anger. A reality and presence. An awareness of worth.” The anger I experienced was also — in the words the poet and theorist Audre Lorde used to describe the erotic — “a reminder of my capacity for feeling.” It is that feeling that is disruptive of the Orwellian gestures embedded in the Professor Watchlist. Its devotees would rather I become numb, afraid and silent. However, it is the anger that I feel that functions as a saving grace, a place of being.

If we are not careful, a watchlist like this can have the impact of the philosopher Jeremy Bentham’s Panopticon — a theoretical prison designed to create a form of self-censorship among those imprisoned. The list is not simply designed to get others to spy on us, to out us, but to install forms of psychological self-policing to eliminate thoughts, pedagogical approaches and theoretical orientations that it defines as subversive.

Honestly, being a black man, I had thought that I had been marked enough — as bestial, as criminal, as inferior. I have always known of the existence of that racialized scarlet letter. It marks me as I enter stores; the white security guard never fails to see it. It follows me around at predominantly white philosophy conferences; I am marked as “different” within that space not because I am different, but because the conference space is filled with whiteness. It follows me as white police officers pull me over for no other reason than because I’m black. As Frantz Fanon writes, “I am overdetermined from without.”

But now I feel the multiple markings; I am now “un-American” because of my ideas, my desires and passion to undo injustice where I see it, my engagement in a form of pedagogy that can cause my students to become angry or resistant in their newfound awareness of the magnitude of suffering that exists in the world. Yet I reject this marking. I refuse to be philosophically and pedagogically adjusted.

To be “philosophically adjusted” is to belie what I see as one major aim of philosophy — to speak to the multiple ways in which we suffer, to be a voice through which suffering might speak and be heard, and to offer a gift to my students that will leave them maladjusted and profoundly unhappy with the world as it is. Bringing them to that state is what I call doing “high stakes philosophy.” It is a form of practicing philosophy that refuses to ignore the horrible realities of people who suffer and that rejects ideal theory, which functions to obfuscate such realities. It is a form of philosophizing that refuses to be seduced by what Friedrich Nietzsche called “conceptual mummies.” Nietzsche notes that for many philosophers, “nothing actual has escaped from their hands alive.”

In my courses, which the watchlist would like to flag as “un-American” and as “leftist propaganda,” I refuse to entertain my students with mummified ideas and abstract forms of philosophical self-stimulation. What leaves their hands is always philosophically alive, vibrant and filled with urgency. I want them to engage in the process of freeing ideas, freeing their philosophical imaginations. I want them to lose sleep over the pain and suffering of so many lives that many of us deem disposable. I want them to become conceptually unhinged, to leave my classes discontented and maladjusted.

Bear in mind that it was in 1963 that the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. raised his voice and said: “I say very honestly that I never intend to become adjusted to segregation and discrimination. I never intend to become adjusted to religious bigotry. I never intend to adjust myself to economic conditions that will take necessities from the many to give luxuries to the few. I never intend to adjust myself to the madness of militarism, to self‐defeating effects of physical violence.”

I also recall the words Plato attributed to Socrates during his trial: “As long as I draw breath and am able, I shall not cease to practice philosophy.” By that Socrates meant that he would not cease to exhort Athenians to care more for justice than they did for wealth or reputation.

So, in my classrooms, I refuse to remain silent in the face of racism, its subtle and systemic structure. I refuse to remain silent in the face of patriarchal and sexist hegemony and the denigration of women’s bodies, or about the ways in which women have internalized male assumptions of how they should look and what they should feel and desire.

I refuse to be silent about forms of militarism in which innocent civilians are murdered in the name of “democracy.” I refuse to remain silent when it comes to acknowledging the existential and psychic dread and chaos experienced by those who are targets of xenophobia and homophobia.

I refuse to remain silent when it comes to transgender women and men who are beaten to death by those who refuse to create conditions of hospitality.

I refuse to remain silent in a world where children become targets of sexual violence, and where unarmed black bodies are shot dead by the state and its proxies, where those with disabilities are mocked and still rendered “monstrous,” and where the earth suffers because some of us refuse to hear its suffering, where my ideas are marked as “un-American,” and apparently “dangerous.”

Well, if it is dangerous to teach my students to love their neighbors, to think and rethink constructively and ethically about who their neighbors are, and how they have been taught to see themselves as disconnected and neoliberal subjects, then, yes, I am dangerous, and what I teach is dangerous.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

EwokEntourage posted:

??? Not guilty means you are legally innocent. It might mean something different in the court of public opinion but it means the same legally. Either way, not trying to derail this thread

Legal innocence isn't the same as actual innocence. Both are recognized categories under the law.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

negromancer posted:

b) is aware of his issues and doesn't treat them and c) is an influential person and says wildly dumb poo poo while being aware of a and b

That's what the illness does though.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax
I've had to get my best friend involuntarily committed during a manic episode after she stole a car and started driving around the country, completely convinced she could control both other drivers and traffic lights with her mind. Try convincing a person in that state that yes, they actually do need to take medicine to make that feeling of invincibility stop. Can't exactly blame Kanye for not seeing clearly, that's pretty much the expected outcome.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

negromancer posted:

His mental illness doesn't preclude him from knowing right from wrong.
If he's bipolar and having a manic episode, yes it does.

quote:

If it did, he would be committed involuntarily, because that's mental insanity where you literally don't know right from wrong.

To the best of my knowledge, the US has a "clear and present danger" criterion for involuntary commitment, so if he's not suicidal and not a present threat, he can be as off his rocker as he wants and not get committed.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Squashing Machine posted:

That seems like a tremendously narrow way to view this concept, and frankly, one designed to prop up your own idea of how these things work.

go away

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax
It's presumably Effectronica, at least that's the current theory.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

negromancer posted:

I'm just so surprised that people think Putin influencing the gently caress out the US elections is just so so impossible.

Like it's beyond belief to them a master KGB spy who seized control of his own country can't manipulate a bunch of racist chucklefucks who think learning and logic is for libtard cucks.

And I honestly don't understand where this doubt comes from? Is it white American exceptionalism?

The idea that you need a Russian mastermind to trick Americans into voting for a racist demagogue feels more like exceptionalism to me to be honest.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Pastrymancy posted:

You guys treated TB like poo poo for no good reason and then called her "deranged" when she got mad at said treatment.

https://twitter.com/Complex/status/809788998688342016

Jay Z Is producing a documentary series about Kalief Browder, a teenager who was held for years in Rikers and later committed suicide due to the impact of being held in solitary for so long.

I remember hearing him talk about those experiences in the window when he was out. Solitary left very deep scars on him thay weren't necessarily visible on the surface.

I haven't seen Ava Duvernays doc on prisons. Should try to do that soon.

"You guys" was one person. Thanks for the heads-up about the documentary though, I remember that story :/

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botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

BeanBandit posted:

As a WOC, TB has been a tremendous, racist piece of poo poo. gently caress her.

lmao

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