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HannibalBarca posted:It could have worked, but the campaign seemed reluctant to provide actual specifics on what a continuation of the Obama presidency meant. The Dems never seemed to make a coherent argument on the issues. We all saw the same Clinton ads over and over again of little kids looking at Trump on the TV, or whatever. And all those ads did nothing but ensure that we'll all be seeing Trump on the TV for a long time to come. The problem is that a) informed voters knew continuation meant a gop held house wasn't gonna let poo poo though anyway, and b) uninformed voters were frustrated with rising healthcare costs and stagnated wages and decided to throw a brick through the window. Barack Obama doesn't have a high approval rating because of the poo poo he's done, because he's been unable to do poo poo for the last 6 years. He has a high approval rating because he has a once in a lifetime personality for a politician. Clinton doesn't have that, and her Obama veteran team wasn't able to figure out that Obama's magic couldn't be rubbed off on Clinton.
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Also remember that for all the outrage over Obama the GOP could never get poo poo to stick for 8 full years. The same cannot be said of the Clintons.The GOP absolutely blew Clinton poo poo out of proportion, but the Clintons allowed the seed to be planted in a way that Obama never did. I was listening to someone on MSNBC a few days before the election and they said the problem is that Hillary and Bill believe they're always doing good, they believe the ends justify the means, and have been trained by GOP bullshit to instinctively believe criticism isn't valid. It sure seems to ring true, especially given that the first black president was able to magically be scandal free while those gosh darn GOP operatives keep bogging the Clintons down in imaginary scandals. Obama was reflective, had self doubt, and had humility in ways the Clintons never showed. Whether they don't have those things or whether they have those things and didn't show them is an academic question now. The e-mail poo poo was just a symptom, and if it wasn't for the e-mails there would have been some other borderline poo poo the Clintons thought was okay and was legally okay but appeared sketchy.
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I remember there being a leak somewhere that the clinton camp considered releasing all of her e-mails, personal and not, in one big batch over a year before the election. That's the kind of poo poo people think Obama would have done because they think he views transparency highly. Who knows if it would have helped Clinton, or if Obama would have done that himself, but the perception definitely hurt her and in the end it couldn't have been worse than this. Of course people probably assume Obama wouldn't be in a similar situation and they'd be right.
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If you want a legit autopsy it's this: people wanted to break the system because they were frustrated that cost of living kept rising (including but not limited to healthcare costs) and wages were somewhere between stagnant and declining. No matter what happens that poo poo is not going to change in the next two years because the gop is fundamentally unable to enact the structural change required to stop it. Highlight this poo poo, run on it, and embrace it. Clinton is dead and gone, so take advantage of that poo poo instead of mourning it. Don't worry about tammy loving duckworth or keith loving ellison or whoever being the next Obama or Bernie because Obama and Bernie came up organically and you can't manufacture that. Take the time to shut up and listen to poor rural whites, because they have plenty of grievances that line up with poor minorities and the gop/trump are already putting them on mute. Sit down, talk to rural poor whites, validate their concerns (because their concerns are loving valid), and talk about how liberal/socialist policies can help them in their specific situation. Are you going to sweep rural poor whites? Hell no. But if you pick off 15% of them your face won't be used to wipe the loving floor in WI, PA, and MI like it was last night. You'll win governorships, senate seats, house races, state legislature seats, and alderman spots, and your Obamas and Bernies will bubble up naturally. Don't force this poo poo, because forced is what brought us HRC and organic is what brought us Obama and Bernie. I'd also say don't prop up a couple who is under FBI investigation and is known to make choices that are legally okay but optically terrible, but Obama is Mr. Clean, the Clintons are dead and gone, and there won't be another player with that much internal power until you win the presidency again lmao.
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Bro Dad posted:the 2020 democratic primary will probably be between Tim Kaine and Gavin Newsom Yea and in november 2012 we were asking which of christie, rubio, bush, or paul would be the 2016 nominee. Stop loving focusing on which messenger you hope will be closest to Obama and try adjusting the loving message. Trump is an idiot but even he was able to grasp that there's a populist economic message that people are dying to hear. There's a 0% chance that trump and the gop are actually gonna fix anything that made rural whites so frustrated to begin with. You can write them off as racist idiots or you can engage them and realize that yes some are indeed racist idiots but there's also many that are just frustrated with their lot in life and are looking for things to get better, just like most loving people. The poor rural whites of Oklahoma and West Virginia were once the vanguard of American Socialism and many of them loving died at the barrels of US Army guns fighting for American Socialism, but somewhere along the way we've all forgotten about that poo poo and decided that every single one of them are racist idiots who have no value.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:If Democrats are going to swing hard to the left, then they may want to consider courting Rocky Anderson as a 2020 nominee. Donald loving trump is the president-elect, and he follows on the heels of a dude who was a us senator for 2/3rds of his first term before being elected president. Being creative in where we find candidates isn't going to sink us.
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Yudo posted:Let it sink in fellow lefties that we would all be vigorously circlejerking to president elect Bernard Sanders/a humiliated Trump right now had the DNC and the Democratic party not been owned by the motherfucking Clintons. yeah but also remember that obama and bernie wouldn't have won their respective positions by focusing on stabbed in the back myths or revenge fantasies
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NumberLast posted:This I disagree with. well you're in loving luck because all three branches of government have been purged of the democratic party
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KiteAuraan posted:Don't those picks have to be approved by Congress? If so LOL @ it happening. filibuster rules don't apply to lower level judges and cabinet positions anymore. a necessary but unfortunate consequence of gop obstruction the last 8 years
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Venom Snake posted:He said, kicking down the door to an empty room. The neoliberals got brutally owned and are now out of power. What do we do now? Try talking to and listening to poor rural whites. Sorry in advance that a few of them will spew racist poo poo nonstop, but you'll find that many of them are cut from the same cloth as their great grandparents in Oklahoma and West Virginia that literally ate US Army bullets for socialist ideals at the turn of the last century. It also turns out many of their concerns are very valid and are shared by poorer black and Hispanic voters. As I said before you don't have to win over a majority of them - just winning 15% more will keep you from having your face wipe the loving floor in WI, MI, and PA.
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reignonyourparade posted:There are 300some people who are going to get to vote on the new chair. there's also 59.8 million people that voted for clinton there's plenty of loving people that can helm your dumb ship, you fuckers are just too scared to hand it over to someone who maybe possibly isn't quite qualified!
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well the questions to this thread have remained "we dunno what happened lol! still shook!" while the responses from this thread has been "talk to rural loving white people", so either this thread should be converted into a rural white vote appreciation and idea station or it should just be closed and hope that something better than HRC comes along in 4 years, because her poo poo will absolutely get voted down again
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:So a loving Archdruid ended up being smarter than all the Democrats, Goons and Pundits put together. This is from January 20th: This article makes a lot of good points and breaking things down into capital class / salary class / wage class / welfare class is an interesting way of looking at things. The salary class (of which I am a part) has absolutely stood by and allowed the wage class to be devastated, and we absolutely sneer at the wage classes for loving their religion and their guns and for being "uneducated inbred hicks". We've completely abandoned solidarity with the wage class in exchange for cheap poo poo, which we've used to generate the illusion of increasing wealth instead of dealing with the fact that the capital class has sucked up all the gains of the last half century. The article is also 100% correct that trump being elected is a good pressure valve, because if HRC won this election all that pent up frustration would be worse by 2020 and it'd very likely be wearing armbands. Nocturtle posted:Thank you for reminding me of the failure that was OWS. The largest financial disaster in modern history caused by a reckless elite and Clinton-Bush era deregulation was a great opportunity to build a movement dedicated towards addressing economic inequality. It was completely wasted, and I can't think of a single concrete accomplishments that came from the occupations. What laws were passed? Who got primaried? Maybe it contributed to Obama's 2008 landslide victory (didn't help much in 2010). OWS failed because the 2008 election already acted as a pressure valve to release frustration. Here's a huge loving shocker - protesting the system when your guy is in charge isn't going to catch on. It also happened like 3 years after the financial crash.
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2006, 2008, 2010, and 2014 have all been massive wave elections against the party in charge, with 2016 not technically being a wave but certainly feeling like one. 2012 was literally the only year in the last decade that supported the party in charge, and that was likely thanks to the raw political abilities of Barack Obama. This is happening to both parties because the wage class has been absolutely loving destroyed in this county, and Donald loving Trump and the GOP aren't going to fix that. The Democratic Party was once the champion of the wage class. Socialist ideals were once proudly held by rural poor whites in Oklahoma and West Virginia. Listen to these people and have real, actual, meaningful conversations and dialogue with them. Stop loving sneering at them simply because they're different and are venting their frustrations in ways you think are "wrong". Many of their concerns are phrased differently but they boil down to the same concerns of the blacks, Hispanics, and educated whites that currently make up the Democratic Party. The last decade shows us that a 2018 wave is coming. The questions are if it'll be big enough, and if we'll actually do anything with it. The worst possible outcome is the Democratic Party doing absolutely nothing differently. There'll be a wave in 2018, and another in 2020 and again in 2022 and each new iteration of the GOP's waves will become more and more nationalist, racist, and fascist. We've stood by and allowed the complete gutting of the wage class. Electoral instability has been the result. The Democratic Party is the natural home for a resurgent wage class. It's time to bring the rural and poor whites back inside.
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mrmcd posted:Honestly I think people are overplaying the "Academic Left jargon poisoned us against working class voters" a bit. Sure a lot of people roll their eyes or don't like Lena Dunham but at the end of the day: yeah sure if you want to continue to be the party of 48%-52% of the county located in large cities and a handful of coastal states, and just pray to god that demographic change comes here "soon enough" if you want to actually fix the loving country you're going to need a much larger political party that understands rural whites in Oklahoma or North Dakota or *gasp* even Alabama, and which *double gasp* treats them as equals in a diverse coalition centered on economic justice for all
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HannibalBarca posted:2018 would have to be a massive, and I mean TRULY MASSIVE, 1932-level wave for the Democrats to meaningfully alter outcomes. There's something like 9 senate seats up for election in Trump-friendly states and two realistic chances to flip Republican seats blue. 2018 is not gonna save the Democratic party unless it undergoes some massive, massive structural shifts in the next year and is blessed with an extraordinarily gifted generation of new leadership. A 2006, 2010 or 2014 wave would absolutely put the house in play. That's literally every single midterm election in the last decade.
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Marlows posted:Racism, bigotry, homophobia, and out and out white nationalism are not something you hand wave away. Its wrong, and its wrong period. "lol look at these dumb hicks amirite!" is the problem. Treating "white southerners" as some monolithic block is the problem. Believing we'll get nowhere with rural whites is the problem. Do we want to change our message and policies to bring in a majority of white southerners? Maybe not. But there's a percentage that are absolutely receptive to ideas of economic justice and making things better for the wage class. Maybe try treating them like actual loving people who have valid concerns that line up with many of your valid concerns instead of sneering and saying "ugh loving racist Trump supporters!"
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Racism, bigotry, homophobia, and white nationalism are absolutely major problems and the Democratic Party should always stand strong and loud against these things. But maybe, just maybe someone who is racist or homophobic can vote for a Democratic Candidate who is vehemently anti racist and anti homophobic because the destruction of the wage class matters a little more to them than gays or blacks. "You have an opinion I find gross so I can never talk to you about other things" is a terrible loving way to run your life, much less your political party.
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Terror Sweat posted:how the gently caress do you not understand? THEY DON'T VOTE AGAINST SOMETHING, THEY VOTE FOR SOMETHING. show them a better way and inspire, dont just say "look at that lovely guy, what a piece of poo poo he is hahaha" Especially when rural poor whites have spent the last decade watching the salary class point at them and say "look at these lovely guys, what pieces of poo poo they are hahaha" That's why a loving New York Billionaire whose catch phrase is "You're Fired!" got viewed as an equal by rural poor whites. They saw him get hit with the exact same poo poo they've dealt with, and nothing brings people together like mutual struggle.
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sportsgenius86 posted:I never said millenials weren't struggling. A lot of them are. The ones that are don't happen to be the ones driving the grassroots effort for the party right now because they were pushed out by the people I'm talking about. There are a ton of millenials who are struggling, and many of them are stuck in towns whose only factory closed 10 years ago. They never had a chance to go to college, they have zero job prospects, and they've watched as people in their age group have joined the salary class and go out to eat and go to the bar every weekend while sharing "10 ways the struggle is real!" articles on facebook and tweeting out "dumb fuckin hicks ruin everything!" from their new iPhones. Many of these people have embraced the nasty racism and homophobia of the GOP because at least the GOP is talking to them. The Democratic Party has spent the last decade shifting between ignoring them and sneering at them. Fiction posted:Yeah jimrob and the family trying to scrape by on 24000 a year were really all over those liberal campuses and on twitter and decided to not vote for Hillary because of SJWs Bingo.
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Wyld Thang posted:It's not a wave against the party. It's a huge thunderclap against the Federal government and liberal elites as a whole. Oh word? Well poo poo better not even try talking to these people. They're probably too dumb to understand this anyway, right?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:man that trump fellow sure is bad huh? good thing i'm not him HannibalBarca posted:Yes. It sounded intensely cringe-worthy on stage, but I assumed that there must have been a reason for it, and that people would actually do that and go look at her policies. and now we have Venom Snake telling us that it was a deliberate choice for Hillary to not actually talk about substantive economic policy on stage, because it might turn off voters, and this whole concept of just pointing to her website and telling voters to make up their minds seems incompetent on a ghastly, horrible level. also imagine being a poor rural white voter who maybe has a decades old computer or maybe no computer at all and only has a landline phone saying poo poo like "go check out my website!" isn't even speaking the same loving language
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Zikan posted:you gotta remember that for the white working class vote, obama portrayed himself in 2012 as saving the auto industry (i.e. thousands of jobs in the rust belt) vs. a chariticure of gordan geeko / i.e. economic populism vs a technocrat This is a good post. Also these are good videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeYbEOSqYc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz3jWJVsErc&t=454s Also votes aren't a zero sum game you dumb turds. You want to appeal to what used to be the white working class and to minorities at the same time? "The Democratic Party fights for social and economic justice for All Americans. We'll fight like hell for black and hispanic citizens who face legal and social discrimination every moment of their lives, and we'll fight like hell to bring opportunity back to rural Americans who saw their jobs shipped overseas so some rear end in a top hat's efficiency numbers could tick up" What can Democrats offer rural Americans in towns where the only factory closed down 10 years ago? Stop loving talking about nebulous job retraining and college programs for one. Put some god drat jobs back in these towns. Build a government plant that assembles windmills with the goal of covering the county with windmills over the next 20 years. Build a government plant that makes solar panels, train up local people to install them, and have a goal to cover every roof in the area with free solar panels over the next 20 years. Build a government research lab, or maybe a government clinic that offers free healthcare to the county. Hire people from the local state colleges to be the researchers or doctors, and give all the procurement, HR, security, janitorial, accounting, and other support jobs to local people. I came up with that in like 2 minutes. Take literally any liberal priority and build *something* in these areas that supports those priorities. Right now these people see that the Democratic Party has turned their backs on them. We waver between ignoring them and sneering at them. So they look at the GOP who says "Dunno how to fix that, but I swear those idiots caused it and I promise to punch 'em in the nose for ya!" These voters pick revenge because their poo poo already fell apart and it's either revenge or nothing at all. We can easily offer a better path forward for them. And I know people are saying "but but but if this subsection of our base turned out we'd have won!" Who gives a poo poo? Here's a massive chunk of the voting population that is loving begging for a political party to offer them real solutions. We can offer those solutions completely within the realm of things we currently want to do. Why the gently caress wouldn't we want to do that?
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sportsgenius86 posted:http://www.rollcall.com/news/opinion/im-a-coastal-elite-from-the-midwest-the-real-bubble-is-rural-america#sthash.hQsGH2Zt.rws7PPMx.gbpl Well thank god that's solved. It's been real everyone, see ya in 4 years!
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Venom Snake posted:Michael Moore is an idiot if he thinks the solution to the death of rural America is propping it up with building factories. Bring back the CCC and put these people to work fixing our crumbling infrastructure. Offers ways to get these people a better life instead of dooming them to lovely factory work forever. Look at what I posted. This can be modified to be literally anything any loving liberal could possibly want. Just loving build it in these areas and bring jobs to these people. "Take poo poo you want to see happen and build it in places where people are desperate for jobs" shouldn't be a loving breakthrough in liberal politics, but I guess here we loving are.
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Venom Snake posted:Michael Moore is an idiot if he thinks the solution to the death of rural America is propping it up with building factories. Bring back the CCC and put these people to work fixing our crumbling infrastructure. Offers ways to get these people a better life instead of dooming them to lovely factory work forever. Hey also wanna point this out: saying poo poo like "dooming them to factory work forever" when these millions of citizens were able to put food on the table and support their families with their factory labor is degrading as gently caress and is exactly why they think you don't give a single poo poo about them. It also happens to be why they just voted for a loving kamikaze president in the hopes he blows your poo poo the gently caress up.
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Venom Snake posted:Seriously it pisses me off when people suggest that we should lust for the days of when people died of ruined lungs and asbestos poisoning (but everyone had a job right?). We need to give these people a chance to enjoy the prosperity that others are getting to enjoy. Guaranteed minimum income. Programs to resettle people stuck in dead rural towns. Rebuilding of infrastructure. Bring them into the 21st Century; don't doom them to living in the 20th century forever. loving really? Government run plants to build solar panels and windmills, or government run research labs and local clinics are gonna be asbestos filled hellholes? That's your loving retort to the federal government giving shat on poor people jobs? These people don't want a slightly larger check to spend at Walmart #7918. They want a job they feel proud of, and they want to spend their paychecks at local businesses. Liberals have a giant list of things they want done from climate change action to research to improved healthcare. So why the gently caress shouldn't we slap a giant government facility into every one of these desperate counties to make massive amounts of jobs and do some loving good for mankind at the same time?
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Venom Snake posted:Dude factory work is not kind to your body. It's not degrading to say we shouldn't be forcing people to ruin their health. There are plenty of ways we can help them that aren't trying to turn back the clock to pre-automation times. Part of the anger they feel comes from the fact that they know they are eating poo poo compared to how others are living and it pisses them off hence kamikaze president. Well "maybe we'll train you guys with some college degrees, and perhaps West Virginia will become a coding Mecca!" is a really loving stupid idea. Besides that the current Democratic platform is "get a degree and move out" or "ignore them until they die in 30 years". These people are desperate for help and we can 100% help them without sacrificing a single loving thing that Democrats believe in. Even if this election was a landslide, why the gently caress wouldn't we want to do that?
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Venom Snake posted:Dude factory work is not kind to your body. It's not degrading to say we shouldn't be forcing people to ruin their health. There are plenty of ways we can help them that aren't trying to turn back the clock to pre-automation times. Part of the anger they feel comes from the fact that they know they are eating poo poo compared to how others are living and it pisses them off hence kamikaze president. This is still really pissing me off because it's exactly why you idiots lost to the loving orange idiot king. I give you an idea to both help poor people who have been loving savaged by the capitalist class and also fight climate change / advance scientific research / help exploding healthcare costs and you loving hand wave it away. These people are dealing with the only loving factory in town being gone for 15 loving years, and they've voted in the orange idiot king because at least he promised to punch you in the nose because he swears you caused this. Nebulous ideas about "giving people the education they deserve" isn't going to do jack poo poo for the dude who used to work in the factory but is now unemployed. Building a factory there today - a factory built to the latest safety standards - sure beats the poo poo out of "well maybe we'll pay for half of your two year degree and just hope someone hires in your area".
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RACHET posted:What are the economics of building these factories. What business is doing to spends millions of dollars to build a factory to the latest spec to hire people at living wages with benefits when they can build a metal shack in a third world country and pay the workers cents an hour? Tax the capitalist class and use the proceeds to build these factories and provide carbon neutral power to the community for free. "I'm gonna tax those fuckers who shipped your jobs overseas and use the funds to give you a new job today" is a powerful message and is also 100% in line with what the Democratic Party is supposed to stand for.
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Venom Snake posted:Then build the factory, get them an education, and get them a better life. Stop acting so hostile when Iv made it absolutely clear I agree with you. Raising the high school graduation rate so it's not atrocious isn't a loving nebulous idea! We are going to need to train these people to work with green energy! Education in this country at the sub-college level is dire as gently caress right now and it's were rural people get hosed super hard. Propose that the federal government builds and owns the factory and hires local people with the promise to train them up for the jobs they need to fill. It's a really loving simple concept.
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Venom Snake posted:It's fine man. If I couldn't handle people being upset at me I wouldn't have made the thread. And I agree with you that they need to be helped like yesterday. Do you think something like minimum income would also help them? Hey I wanted to thank you for sticking with this thread, and I really hope others from the campaign are watching this thread and taking notes. These people just want their lives back. They used to go to work, bond with their co-workers, bitch about their managers, and spend 8 hours a day doing something that was useful. Then they went home to their house and their wives and their kids and felt good about putting in a full day's work. They turned on the TV, maybe cracked open a beer, and had conversations about being able to take that vacation in a few years, or maybe this year we'll be able to redo the bathroom. Yeah maybe they weren't the smartest person in the world or "management material" or whatever the gently caress people judged them by, but they woke up every morning, put their pants on, and showed up to work 2 minutes early to Do Something that needed to be done. They worked hard and were loyal and were proud of it. Sending these people a check in the mail might keep them from literally dying, but it won't Let Them Live. These people want want to go Do Something. They want to be useful. They want to have co-workers they can laugh with and managers to bitch about. They want to count down the days until that vacation. They want to feel proud again. The Democratic Party switches between ignoring these people and sneering at them for their silly, backward, uneducated ways. The GOP tells them "We can't fix this but I swear those idiots broke it, and I'll go punch 'em in the nose for ya!" Maybe 10 years ago when the factory closed down they weren't susceptible to that message, but after 10 years of no jobs and watching their town fall apart and their buddy's suicide and the divorce and their kids fleeing for the loving hills they're god drat angry. And you know what? They have every loving right to be angry, because they were loyal and they worked hard and in exchange the capitalist class sold them the gently caress out so some loving CFO could watch his loving numbers tick up a hair. We can 100% offer solutions to this as a party without sacrificing a single god drat thing. We can build green energy factories in these counties. We can build research centers in these counties. We can build healthcare centers in these counties. Take whatever liberal priority you can think of and we can build something here to help fix things nationally and help these people locally. People are saying we just need to bump this group or that group's turnout levels back to Obama levels. Great! I do too! But here is something we can do in addition to that! Here is something that helps people who have been savaged by the capitalist class and helps fight global warming or helps advance research or helps improve healthcare in this county. Why the gently caress wouldn't we want to do this?
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