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punk rebel ecks: Dec 11, 2010; A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

The lessons from this election are pretty clear to me:

1. You need to motivate your base to vote for you due to a clear message for the working American. People are blaming Hillary's on turnout or the fact that working class whites abandoned her. In reality, both are due to the same symptom. Diehard Democrats stayed home because they weren't motivated to go to the polls due to Hillary being seen as a milquetoast candidate. Many working class white Americans turned to Trump because he at least put focus on them with trying to bring back jobs to their local economy despite corporate globalism. It is very easy to incorporate that into left wing politics, because it is part of left wing politics.

2. Focus the hell out of downticket races. Obama's presidency has shown us one thing, you can't do squat unless you have the House and Senate. However, even without the Republican's obstructionism, we wouldn't have been able to do as much as we want. Remember, Obama had his hand tied to a degree when he had a super majority due to blue dog Democrats. We're going to have to figure out not only how to get as many Democrats elected as possible, however we have to also make sure that as many of them actually believe in the party's ideals. This I feel will be the greatest challenge. Note I am not saying abandon, scale back, or even not go forward with social and racial issues, but class politics needs to take a more visible seat than it currently does.

3. Incrementalism is dead. Politics are too unpredictable and it gives time for movements to fizzle out. Triangulation is dead. Many undecided voters aren't undecided because they think "the left is too far left" and "the right is too far right". Many are undecided because they aren't sure which route to take, and who ever makes the best case they will move.

4. Don't get too comfortable, the future is very uncertain. We rested on our laurels believing that a Democrat would have to win office due to America becoming more and more minority every day. We didn't rest on unpredictable things such as Republicans being able to move some of those minorities (Hispanics and Asians), the lack of turnout for certain groups, and key groups flipping. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

5. The DNC needs to clean up. I'm sorry but when you have been losing the House and Senate for years and lose to Donald Trump, you need to go period. The DNCs thought process and strategies are straight up toxic.

6. I'm going to bring this up even though I predict a lot of people will quote this and call me crazy. Focus on changing the structure. At least start by lowering the cloture threshold. Possibly to 55? Maybe to 51, but that will pretty much make it pointless. Don't get angry at "gerrymandering" and instead get mad at the true culprit, the lack of proportional representation in the House. Also, I'd count on dismantling the electoral college. Democrats have to start attacking the disease rather than the symptoms. The problem is that I can imagine some backlash from key voting groups.

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Hamelekim posted:

I love the end of that last paragraph. It encapsulates everything that was and is wrong with politics right now.

"It was supposed to be her job. She worked her entire life for the job. It's her job"

It was her turn.

# ¿ Nov 13, 2016 21:36

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LinYutang posted:

yall are missing the best part of the lena dunham weepmail

What the gently caress is "violent privilege" referring to?

Lena Dunham posted:

I ached in the places that make me a woman, the places I've been grabbed so carelessly, the places we are struggling to call our own.

Is she referring to her vagina?

# ¿ Nov 13, 2016 21:43

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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Eh I kind of agree with ows shod have had a plan or demands or something. Protesting Trump is a little different because the idea is to deny the gop a mandate. Making a show about not liking wallstreet feels more hollow. Who the hell ever liked wall Street?

A LOT of people. Prior to OWS, you couldn't even talk about income inequality in politics. Wall Street was seen as defacto necessary golden goose. OWS changed the tone of politics, even for the Republican Party.

unwantedplatypus posted:

"Stupid effete millennials what's a protest going to do"

1) I'm sick of being poo poo on because older generations won't cop to their own failures
2) Protests are a public showing of support and enthusiasm, they don't have to have direct legislative affects
3) OWS was a net positive, why the gently caress do you think we are where we are now? Anti-elite sentiment had to begin somewhere

OWS was probably the most successful left wing protest in decades. I wouldn't be surprised if Sanders didn't run if it wasn't for OWS. It was the beginning of the populist left in mainstream American discourse.

# ¿ Nov 13, 2016 21:44

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Oh Snapple! posted:

the problem is that she was completely wrong about what she thought was necessary to win

i engaged you elsewhere about this before the election, but the "demographics as destiny" poo poo was both a lovely strategy and loving horrifying

It was also dumb. Just looking at number, left leaning people are moving to more urban areas while conservatives are moving to more low populated suburbs. This will result in the lack of proportional representation in House to be even more hosed. It also ignores the fact that minorities themselves can't be driven by racism, as we saw by more blacks, Hispanics, and Asians voting for Trump than Romney or McCain.

It also highlights how privileged people in the political community are. "Wait and be patient" may seem fine to them, but not the single mother who has to support 4 kids on a cashier job, or the recent undergrad who has to take up a temp job to pay off $60,000 in student loans. The white working class nearly flipped because they had enough of the Democrats "slow and steady" bullshit. They've been waiting for decades for them to take care of them after their jobs went away and they've done nothing but further hurt them.

EDIT - "Demographics is destiny" also misses the entire point.People want an ideology to win not a political party. Just because the Democrats dominate all aspects of government doesn't necessarily mean that things will go far left. I don't recall Hawaii begging for Communism. The reality is if you have a party dominate then all of the people from the previous party will just hop into the dominating party. Sure there will be a shift in ideology, but nowhere near as much as people think.

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# ¿ Nov 13, 2016 22:12

punk rebel ecks: Dec 11, 2010; A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

What's "corncobbing"?

# ¿ Nov 13, 2016 22:18

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Humidora posted:

How does the DNC make you feel? Tell us in three emojis or less.

# ¿ Nov 13, 2016 23:58

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MJ12 posted:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/clintons-popular-vote-lead-will-grow-and-grow/507455/

This article is interesting because it's actually a good bridge if you're trying to convince centrist liberals to support more progressive policy. Clinton did, in fact, mobilize a pretty significant number of Democratic voters. In fact, her turnout might be within striking distance of Obama '12, which is pretty impressive since Obama had all of Clinton's brilliance, none of her baggage, and a lot of charisma. But middle America wasn't part of that coalition. They were left out, and they voted for Trump instead because they were desperate, because they were tired, and because, yes, some of them were racists who'd normally have sat it out, but we don't need or want #3. Democrats and millenials didn't fail Clinton, unless by that you mean you want to organize a million Democrats to move to the Rust Belt.

Clinton didn't fail to inspire the people she was talking to and the people whose issues she was speaking of addressing. She just, like so many people before her, failed to address the issues of a group which was hurting and desperate and looking with nostalgia in better times, and Trump tapped into that vein of dissatisfaction. The one thing Trump said that resonates with me right now is this. "What the hell have you got to lose?" I think, more than "Make America Great Again," that's what Trump's campaign was based on, and why it won. We let these guys rot so long they figured they had nothing to lose. And we hosed up. We took them for granted and we hosed up.

Thinking of it, I think the whole "Clinton was a Bad Candidate with a Bad Campaign (TM)" message is somewhat counterproductive no matter how true it is because it implies that if Clinton had been more charismatic (like Corey Booker) and her campaign had tweaked its algorithms better, they'd have won handily. Which is:

1. Probably true;
2. Justifies centrists going "we can do the same thing in 2020 and win."
3. Is probably going to make people who supported Clinton less inclined to listen (see #2).

And I get that lots of you guys got shat on by Clinton supporters and schadenfreude is fun and good but you're gonna need to convince the centrists to shut up and vote for your candidate too at some point. I agree with about 90% of what's said in this thread. I agree that there are systemic issues with the Democratic party as it is. But I think that these issues are systemic-and it's not just about Clinton.

Turnout for the election was similar to 2012, but Clinton lost millions of votes compared to Obama. Besides that, I agree with everything in this post.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 00:10

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Homeless Friend posted:

Alright, let me clarify. Most of it was sorta milquetoast asshollery. Zoux/fishmech/etc where like in a whole different league unto themselves.

Could be, I tended to ignore the worst Clinton posters just because it was obvious they were totally worthless. So I might have ended up reading more annoying bernie posters my comparison.

There were a gently caress TON of "etc."

I would be open to the argument that Sanders supporters had the quantity of obnoxious posters, but Hillary supporters had the quality of obnoxious posters.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 00:30

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Oh Snapple! posted:

my general description of both camps was that bernie folks would just outright call a person a dipshit and leave it and that and that the clinton folks would drag it out to 3 paragraphs minimum, while also throwing in at least one assertion of "racist" or "sexist"

This seems accurate.

During the primaries, I asked Zen Death Robot which camp he felt was worse. He ultimately said something along the lines of that he didn't believe that either side was "worse", just that he saw a bunch of annoying people. However, how they posted was different. He stated that Sanders supporters often just made brief disgruntled snip-its and were done with it. In contrast the Hillary camp would type out paragraphs as they tried to seem articulate, but their posts boiled down to being a bunch of stupid crap that could have been brief disgruntled snip-its.

NumberLast posted:

Were Bernie posters just way worse outside the Bernie thread than they were in it?

In addition, I don't mean to rehash the primary - especially on this forum - but I've been dying to understand why the Bernie thread moving super fast and having low to no content posts as a majority bothered people that wouldn't have even posted in it.

The primary had people on edge. Establishment Democrats were threatened by Bernie winning as he would be too radical for the American public and thus lose to the Republican Nominee. The Left Wing Goldwater so to speak. it was THE argument they always used.

The Sanders threads weren't even that bad. Hell, even Sanders4President wasn't that bad, yet it was painted like something that belonged at 8chan.

Fidel Castronaut posted:

I mean, A Winner is Jew concern trolled the hell out of a woman complaining that Latinx Cinco de Mayo protesters outside a Hillary rally cussed in front of her kids. Then, they would turn around and accuse others of racism. It was unbelievable.

AWJ is like the worst poster in this entire forum. He's tied with that one dude who always brings up Israel/Palestine all the time. Forgot his name.

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Oh Snapple! posted:

tbf it probably did, but that's because it seemed to have been blatantly co-opted by the alt-right fucks as a means of stirring poo poo. they weren't the only people there, but they were prevalent enough to where they made an impact on perception of it and were probably a contributor the actual sanders-supporter mods choosing to close it down.

When I popped my head in there during the peak of the primaries it didn't seem that bad. There was some :tinfoil:

over Bill stopping people from voting or something, but that was the worst of it. Maybe it got worse after that?

Oh Snapple! posted:

who was the poster who was obsessed with where else S4P folks posted because that was loving creepy

Mitt Romney?

Zikan posted:

*leans into mic*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co7GpMks8UA

I love how he says he so much "for the people" yet all he did for Newark was like build a multi-million dollar stadium or something? That's what I heard at least.

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# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 01:34

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Booker comes off to me as the male DWS for some reason. At least policy wise. Tries to come off as firmly on the left but is actually a centrist beholding to banks and corps.

Oh Snapple! posted:

And he might have been. Boy did that dude just disappear.

A lot of them just simply disappeared. Sites like Something Awful and the like were known for being hard left in discourse for some time. Then out of no where centrist and establishment Dems began invading during the primaries shouting down everyone who disagreed with them. Then after their ideology and strategy went up in flames they disappeared back to the jungles in the internet where they came.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

To be fair to them. I had the same believes, I liked bernie alot but i was worried because i had talked to various people(mostly moderate GOP or independents) saying they would vote for anyone else if Bernie won because they were afraid of socialism and all that. i still voted for him in the primary though.

As Trump and Sanders show, the reality is that growth in populist candidates within a party is usually correlated to a populist feeling in the country. It's best to let things just play their natural coarse.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 02:10

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It's crazy that all of those people have just up and disappeared from the forums. Are they embarrassed or were they really from CTR? I don't mean to be :tinfoil:

but it is just so weird.

anime was right posted:

mitt romneys greatest hits

Any of these would suffice.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 02:42

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Mitt Romney posted:

81% is lower than I thought it would be.

https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/status/729447014480547840

Mitt Romney posted:

bump_fn posted:

ill literally never stop quoting this

Really don't. Let that seep through the yuppie liberals heads. Minnesota is built off of the working class whites and is a Democratic stronghold.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 02:45

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Mitt Romney posted:

CTR has only promoted items on Twitter and they do so with prefaced CTR_ accounts.

In predictable fashion, Sanders (and to a smaller extent Trump) subreddits have become bastions of paranoia; accusing anyone who steps out of line as CTR.

etalian posted:

Don't forget Obdicut, he was very bad.

I once argued with him about how Sanders college plan was better than Hillary's and his response was that Hillary's was better due to funding private HBCs (which Sanders plan later adopted). When I pointed out to him that only like 4% of blacks go to those schools, he told me that it's worth it if 96% of blacks didn't benefit due to the 4% blacks keeping up with their cultural heritage or some poo poo.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 02:48

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Mitt Romney posted:

66% of Sanders voters said they would not support paying more than $1,000 a year in tax increases in order to get free college and free healthcare. He was proposing a lot more than that in tax increases.

Is this true?

iospace posted:

Who was worse, him or fishmech?

The List goes:

1. My Imaginary Girlfriend
2. A Winner is Jew
3. fishmech
4. Mitt Romney
5. Obdicut

Only 2 of these posters I have seen recently.

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https://twitter.com/davidshor/status/797887301787455488

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https://twitter.com/davidshor/status/600747551973711872

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 04:03

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Powercrazy posted:

Assuming those first two are jokes, MIGF specifically is an LF era Concern Troll, and A Winner is Jew is similar, that's a great list.

Whatever those two were they were annoying as all poo poo. I still recall getting into an argument with A Winner is Jew of how Hillary Clinton had no plan to retake the House and Senate. He arduously argued with me about it. :roflolmao:

MeatwadIsGod posted:

I still remember the TVIV-style primary debate threads here and laughing my rear end off when Clinton opened one with "most Americans aren't concerned with economics" or something, this coming from someone with a net worth of $300 million. The Democratic Party absolutely deserved this because of their myopia and in how they colluded to gently caress the populist candidate who actually energized the party base, independent voters, and young people. They deserve to be utterly discredited.

Hillary was the candidate of well to do white faux liberals. It was very fitting that Lena Dunham was seen as the celebrity face of Hillary.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 04:20

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LegoPirateNinja posted:

trigger warning: wokeness incoming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bixgOtkLao

Why the gently caress won't he stop wiping his nose?

EDIT - That's not the type of "political correctness" I was expecting.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

oh yeah a self-made google survey with a sample size of 248 is definitely meaningful

Didn't catch that.

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# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 04:33

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temple posted:

This is good. However, when I say ber... people immediate shut down. I kinda just feel like giving up talking about politics with people that supported hillary because they just won't see racial justice needs economic justice to be successful.

Again, the reason why that tickles some of their fancy is because it is so convenient for them as their taxes won't have to be raised or their pay would have to be diverted.. Racial issues don't effect them. However, the second they do the obvious happens. I'm just saying if the Democratic Party completely wins the entire working class, a lot of those liberal whites will begin hop sides, especially if the Republicans tone some things down.

The urban upper class used to be solidly Republican for a reason.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 04:51

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Lol.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

Also as a bad Hillary poster I'm incredibly embarrassed how wrong and owned I am

Yeah, you were really annoying.

But as long as you apologize all is well and good.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 05:15

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iospace posted:

They need one more. I'm not loving joking.

How did the Democrats gently caress up THIS BAD!?

Not just this year, but pretty much how it snowballed into this.

Why didn't the alarms ring after 2010?

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 06:02

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enraged_camel posted:

What's really is that liberals were having lots of fun with the seemingly endless Trump-GOP drama and were predicting the inevitable collapse of the GOP after the election.

I kept telling people that they have to focus on the House, but they replied with "Demographics is Destiny" and to just wait it out 20 years because whites are too racist.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 06:09

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I'm going to quote myself again because it's just so loving ridiuclous.

punk rebel ecks posted:

How did the Democrats gently caress up THIS BAD!?

Not just this year, but pretty much how it snowballed into this.

Why didn't the alarms ring after 2010?

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 06:26

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big juicy nectarine posted:

I like to think this was specifically aimed at Barney Frank and poo poo like this - http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/12/bank-reform-barney-frank-wall-street-213412.

There used to be a time when I really respected Barney Frank. But due to his idiotic "incrementalism" strategies, being dismissive and condescending as gently caress to left wing activists, and his strong stance against against transparency.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 07:24

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Is this real?

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 07:32

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Sheng-ji Yang posted:

Huey Long

I keep hearing bad things about this guy from a fair bit amount of establishment Dems.

Was he very authoritarian?

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 07:41

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What made Huey Long "fascist"? Or "authoritarian"? What did he do that was so shocking?

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Sheng-ji Yang posted:

honestly id compare him to a Hugo Chavez without the leftist trappings

This sounds like a good comparison. Except that Long seemed to improve Louisiana. Chavez loving destroyed his country.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 08:13

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punk rebel ecks posted:

How did the Democrats gently caress up THIS BAD!?

Not just this year, but pretty much how it snowballed into this.

Why didn't the alarms ring after 2010?

I kinda of found my answer.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 16:16

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LinYutang posted:

lol at the democrats thinking that Minority Group would save their hide just because

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/798285238644469761

This is why Dems who are betting Texas will become blue soon are kidding themselves. Most Mexicans in the state identify as Conservative. Significantly more than any other state in the country.

temple posted:

That was my point to a degree in response to the tweets about dems being a failed group or consultancy. Dems actually have to lead and legislate, so its harder than what reps have to do. Republicans just have to destroy, obstruct, or stall. They don't have to come up with solutions. They don't represent anything which is why an orange con-man could take over their party in one election. Dems often fail or get bought out but that's due for the course of living in a capitalistic world. The country actually supports most of the progressive stuff, has historically supported those policies, created a working democracy for most people, and dems have to figure out how to make it better. Its dumb to bash the dems as an whole (Clintons excluded because they are hack frauds) or praise republicans because the two parties serve fundamentally different roles in our politics.

None of this excuses the Dems complete lack of effort for catching the legislation branch for almost a decade, lacking a coherent vision, and idiotic "demographics is destiny" type strategies . They brought this on themselves and should be blamed as much as possible. This cataclysmic gently caress up has been decades in the making.

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# ¿ Nov 14, 2016 23:55

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MrCussMustard posted:

He says Clintons excluded. You say decades in the making. I see common ground.

"Decades in the making" refers to the Dems having morons in charge and in the party throughout the decades. Even Jesus Obama made some humongous blunders as he stripped funding from the DNC and did so little with OFA.

# ¿ Nov 15, 2016 00:01

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Venom Snake posted:

it's either incredibly sad or amazingly uplifting that the left is going to regain control of the democratic party with only very minor resistance. If you went back in time and told yourself that progressives would take control of the DNC with the support of chuck schumer would you believe yourself.

Turns out, establishment Dens bend over backwards for anyone. Not just corporate types and Republicans.

# ¿ Nov 15, 2016 00:04

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So what elected official of mine do I email to recommend them to vote for Keith Ellerson as DNC chair?

etalian posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlmuKtyhDKg

Bernie has spoken out against the electoral college. Thank you.

Pomp posted:

i've come around to still being mad that midwest WWC didn't care enough to vote against him, but not mad enough to blame them for desperately clawing at future paychecks, and 100% mad at dem establishment for not reaching out to them what the gently caress

"Demographics are destiny".

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# ¿ Nov 15, 2016 03:18

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Anyone iffy about using "white working class" is dumb. Each group of people have different needs throughout their community and come from different backgrounds. I say this as a minority. I agree with others that we need economic policies that cross all lines.

jackofarcades posted:

Bernie didn't connect with a lot of POC voters in the primary and we gotta figure out why if he's going to be leading the charge going forward.

This is very important.

To be fair, it was mostly generational. Most young adult across all demographics (even blacks) voted for Sanders.

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# ¿ Nov 15, 2016 03:25

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Peel posted:

when it came up in the negrotown thread in d&d there was an entertaining split between older posters talking about healthcare and the 'superpredators' thing, while younger posters complaining that they had just been told they were supposed to like clinton without anyone explaining why

The reality is because the current youth are those who grew up with the Clinton administration and their spiritual successors and saw that they did jack squat for long term change. For example, not only are schools still terrible, but they are always the first to shut down whenever a budget crisis occurs. The mass incarceration makes them really mad, and this is included in places with a huge crime surge currently going on such as Milwaukee. The younger black generation, from my distant observation seems much more "radical" so to speak. If you took a generation of people who's politics formed at the time of the Congressional Black Caucus and another that grew up with Black Lives Matter, it's pretty obvious to see which candidate these two groups would vote for.

# ¿ Nov 15, 2016 03:33

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What elected representative do I bother to tell them to vote for Keith Ellison as the DNC Chair via email?

Powercrazy posted:

Jaime Harrison....
yea.

Maddow has been such poo poo for so long now. Oh well, she was pretty good in 2012 I guess.

She's an Eisenhower Republican "Liberal".

# ¿ Nov 15, 2016 03:53

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Pomp posted:

bernie is cool and good and angry and teaching a new generation it's okay to spit fire and that's cool and good too

This. gently caress the pussy liberals we have.

After six years I am STILL angry about the "Rally to Restore Sanity"...

# ¿ Nov 15, 2016 04:05

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 12:36

punk rebel ecks: Dec 11, 2010; A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

So I found my State Speaker's email address.

It was missing on the list but here it:

mmadigan@housedem.state.il.us

What do I write exactly if I want Keith Ellison as the DNC chair?

# ¿ Nov 15, 2016 05:04

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