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Hello. The Democratic Party has been circling the drain and dying for a long time. But most of us were all just too busy stuffing our heads up our asses and huffing our own farts to realize it. W hosed up, poo poo was a mess and Democrats were able to take back the House and Senate in 2006. In 2008 Obama DOMINATED. Democrats secured their hold on the Senate and made gains in the House but we, unfortunately, did not get the filibuster proof majority we needed in the House for various reasons. This looks good. This is super good and promising for the Democrats but we have to look beyond the surface because while we were making gains on the federal level we were losing ground locally and losing hard. We lost governors. We lost many various other seats in local governments. Republican-friendly local legislators built an environment beneficial to Republicans while we rested on our laurels. We should have rallied behind Obama and pushed lefter. But we got complacent meanwhile the Republicans had their own movement. They let their rage and displeasure with the election manifest behind the Tea Party movement. They rallied a disheartened and devastated base behind the cause of a more right-leaning party. The Republicans looked at a popular rejection of right wing conservatism and not only did they not balk but they said, "gently caress it, let's go righter!" Local governments controlled by conservatives passed extensive Voter ID laws and gerrymandered loving everything. And federally Republicans did everything they could to just endlessly obstruct and block loving everything. They refused to work with Obama and they refused to compromise and find common ground. Compare to now where Elizabeth Warren (I used to adore her, now I'm losing so much respect for her) and many others are saying they're willing to work with President Trump. Like, I know we've been crushed out of every branch of government and we do not have the power Republicans had when they were kind of in our position but even when we had them on the ropes we still opted to be the better person, respect them, and tried to play nice and all that got us is progressively more marginalized. The Republicans did not reciprocate, they spat in our loving faces. Now we are a toothless minority of a minority and we most likely can't do poo poo but Jesus loving christ gently caress us. Mercy and kindness really is weakness. Anyway, in 2010 Republicans rallied around their Tea Party movement, bolstered by new, young, fresh and more conservative blood and aided by the gerrymandering, voter suppression, and naturally low Democratic turn out Tea Party candidates dominated and Democrats failed to get the numbers they needed to hold the line. We lost the House and were just barely clinging to the Senate. And we lost more locally. It was the census year, lines were redrawn and gerrymandering reigned supreme. The new Republican House majority continued to obstruct and block loving everything. We couldn't do poo poo. In 2012 we lost the Senate and we lost more locally and unlike Democrats, who finally accepted W's Supreme Court Nominee after a bit of bullshit. The Republicans just completely blocked Obama's Supreme Court Nominees for loving ever. Sure we got one through (I think) but we're not getting the other one. Especially not now that they know they won the election and can get a SCJ they like. So yeah, we got played. We played nice and tried to be fair and decent. The belief and understanding was that if we treated them with respect they would return the favor. They did not, so while we were being the Nice Guy Republicans plotted against us, spat in our faces, and stabbed us in the back. We got hosed. It got this way because hardly anybody, especially Democrats, gives a poo poo about local elections. They don't bother to show up and vote but Republicans do. Because of voter apathy in the local scene we got pushed out and Republicans got to set the rules. And because we didn't show up enough in mid term elections they got the House and the Senate back. And because not enough of us got out to vote in the general election Trump won and they held and gained ground in the Senate. So, if we're going to come back from this we gotta do what the Republicans did in 2008. We gotta start a movement. We have to create our own version of the Tea Party and we've got to rally behind it. We've got to mobilize and vote in huge numbers in EVERY election. We have to vote Democrats into local positions and if there are no Democrats running for local positions people among us have to become candidates themselves and run in local elections. And we have to win. We have to get out in enough numbers and climb out of this pit and we have to win. But now the voters are so apathetic and suppressed and the districts are so gerrymandered that it is going to be a huge loving uphill climb. And we probably have to find a way to appeal to and win back working and middle class whites. And good loving luck getting Democrats to get out and vote and loving care. Even now, in the height of our despair, the 49% of people who did not vote are just loving shrugging their shoulders and god loving drat it gently caress us. It was a nice ride everyone. RIP. Jenner has issued a correction as of 04:09 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Not to be a Jeb but please don't gloss over me and scroll by and take the time to read my earlier post in this thread. Thanks.
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KIND OF A KIM DEAL posted:If you are actually truly that serious about American politics then maybe instead of balloon-pulling other good people having harmless fun and de- compressing during off-hours while don't you get off your computer and go accomplish something real and positive instead of just sitting on your rear end and D&D posting faux-intellectual garbage on a comedy web subforum? But doing stuff and getting involved involves doing stuff and getting involved.  No but seriously I have been encouraging my liberal friends to get involved and have been looking into my options as well. It's just really hard to feel hope and mobilize. We need a leader or something I guess. How did the Tea Party do it? 
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Nov 11, 2016 06:44
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Doorknob Slobber posted:Offering people in dying towns retraining and subsidies for housing in more urban areas seems like a great idea to me. Its a lot different than forcing them to leave and getting people into urban centers should be a big focus for anyone concerned about reducing consumption and climate change. Although I don't agree with any notion that we should let them die. Just encourage people to let them die. HOLY loving poo poo STOP. You don't understand. You think it is easy to just pack up and leave and go where the grass is greener because that is probably what you did and it was easy for you. But you are not them. You do not know their situation. Their whole life is/was in that lovely dying town. Their whole community. Their friends are there, their neighbors are there, their community is there, their churches/places of worship are there. They have spent decades being a part of this city. I am sure a not insignificant sum of them are living in houses that have been in their families for generations. Their schools are there, their entire history is in that town. They had their first date there, lost their virginity there, got married, started a family, raised a family there. And you would just tell them to pack up and move? To leave everything behind? It's not so easy for them. Lima Ohio is not loving Centralia Pennsylvania. You see a people clinging to the past and dying in obscurity who need to move on for their own sakes. But these people see it as abandoning their history and their way of life. Even if we were able to, by some miracle, move an entire community to a better location you assume they'll be able to integrate. To qualify and get the jobs that are available. To adapt. Maybe they would, but they might not. On paper it looks good to consolidate the spread out population into bigger cities. More people = more demand and more demand = more jobs etc etc. But it doesn't always work like that. The demand is already in these cities and no one is investing. Also, you're forgetting/neglecting the human element. You're taking the people out of the picture and you are ignoring their wants. You come swooping in thinking you know what's best for them but you've already marginalized them. You are failing to see them as people. If you come charging in as the great savior of suffering whites and forcibly relocate them they are not going to look at you favorably. They are gonna see you as some loving rear end in a top hat making them leave their homes. They'd probably loving riot. These struggling people already justifiably believe their way of life is under attack and you wanna do this? Jesus loving christ. I like the plan to plop down government run factories that make stuff in as many dying piece of poo poo towns as we can idea better. If the jobs are there people from surrounding areas might actually self consolidate for their own benefit rather than being forced by us and resenting it. And if we go full on FDR and lock/fix housing prices so they don't start getting ridiculously expensive once the area gets prosperous and there's a high demand to be there we can make sure the people who really need to be there can still afford to. quote:Racism and avoiding the south etc. Woah drat. I am a cis bisexual disabled white woman who grew up in poverty but even I don't know what it is like to be an easily identified, and thus discrimated against and targeted, minority. But all your life you have probably been told to be careful and be wary. I have no doubts that you have experienced many situations where you have been actively discrimated against. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to see this country embolden and legitimize hatred, intolerance and fear the way it has this election. I imagine you feel quite rejected and unwanted. But I'm making a lot of assumptions. Racism is a serious problem in this country and we need to talk about it. And we cannot ignore that our future President is a person who campaigned on racism and that we, as a country, accepted that. This is not meant to imply that all Trump supporters are racist. But it is a factual statement. Trump was endorced by racists and supported by racists and people supported him and voted for him. Again, this does not make them racists. But it is still troubling that they did not find his racism objectionable enough to vote differently. But as it has been said, most of these people are not effected by racism and they were desperate and suffering and Trump promised them salvation. They were probably largely not concerned with the consequences of their decision (the emboldening and legitimization of racism) because what was foremost in their mind was their own struggles. It is hard to consider and support the suffering of others when you yourself are suffering. I have come to realize that a person can be a "good person" and still have horrible beliefs. They don't go out of their way to commit hate crimes but they /believe/ in stereotypes and prejudices. They are influenced by rhetoric and agendas that appeal and pander to their fear and hatred. They support candidates and legislation that unfairly targets minorities. They go about their lives being good spouses, providers, parents, workers, worshippers, etc never actively hurting anyone and ignorant of the effects the policies they and their candidates push and support continue have on the underprivileged and how they continue to perpetuate a system of discrimination on an institutional level. And yes, by supporting Trump they are championing his beliefs and even if they are merely one of the proclaimed apathetic supporters that were sold on his policies and promises they are still perpetuating bigotry. But again, it's not about you it's about them. It's about their wants and their needs and while for some it was personal for many it was simply survival. Hillary told them the truth, that coal was dead and manufacturing was dying. That they'd have to change and adapt and work. Trump lied to them and told him he could bring coal back and bring manufacturing back and bring them prosperity. And it didn't matter that he is racist, and it didn't matter that he could not actually do it. They needed saved. Democrats have been promising suffering whites salvation for years and largely failed to deliver. Trump is just doing the same drat thing. And dismissing all Trump supporters as a bunch of racists and bigots is not doing you any favors. It is being elitist. You are not seeing them as people and you are not listening to their problems. Just because some of them might be racists and bigots does not mean they all are or that they are unworthy of help or sympathy. Where is all our much lauded liberal tolerance when it comes to people we disagree with? We are dehumanizing them and not bothering to even get to know them and just writing them off as a whole and isn't that what they are doing to minorities? We should be reaching out to them and helping them. Also, calling someone a racist/bigot does not stop them from being racist or bigoted. The best way to combat racism and bigotry is to integrate with them and reach out to them. Because many of them are very isolated. Once they begin personally knowing minorities as people it becomes much more difficult for them to dehumanize and dismiss them. Of course, it is not a minority's job to fix white people. But that doesn't change the fact that people who grow up in areas with greater diversity and interaction are statistically less likely to be racist/bigoted. But yeah, I can understand not wanting to muck about with people you feel don't even see you as a person and who you feel threatened and intimidated by. You have no obligation to put yourself out there. Just, try not to be as equally consumed by hate. Don't be reduced to their level. These are still people and I believe most of them can be reasoned with. But, I'm a white person and I hardly know poo poo about this. I definitely am not intending to excuse racism in this post, racism is inexcusable. I just don't like how liberals have been propping ourselves up and spitting down on people who are suffering and lashing out. Especially when liberals have our own problems with racism. We are not immune. In short, I'm a loving idealistic piece of poo poo. Jenner has issued a correction as of 09:00 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Pathos posted:Venom Snake -- I posted this ages ago but I really really want as close to a definitive answer as possible: Why did Hillary pick Tim Kaine? Of all people? I get that he's a nice guy but... why? Just why? It was so safe and establishment and loving why? I talked to an acquaintance who worked on Hillary's campaign (which they also say was a disorganized mess that ignored communication and did not communicate. So now we have too inside sources who say the campaign was a sham and a mess.) And they say the general belief was that people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, who would have really stirred people up, were active senators and popular incumbents and they did not want to remove them from office and risk their seats. Tim Kaine wasn't doing anything and he was boring but popular so... yeah. Double down on the boring to protect the few seats in the Senate they still hold. Whether this is just a cover and Hillary just loving hated the idea of socialists or near socialists being involved is probably not worth debating since she took 90% of Bernie's platform and made it her own. Maybe this was still crooked Hillary trying to do what she could to win but I am so tired of speculation and conspiracies and I'm willing to just believe my friend. Also thank you everyone for liking and quoting my long rear end effort post. I'm touched and honored. 
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Fargo Fukes posted:France, probably? You'd have to base your whole political system around funneling money to small farmers but the food would be superb and the countryside would be transformed from dystopian industrial factory farms to cool little villages and green fields and poo poo. Do small farmers even still exist in any significant quantity in this country? I know we love to talk about them and pretend they exist but I was under the impression that most "small farms" have been swallowed up by Monsanto who exploits and bullies them and keeps them at poverty wages at best. You wanna make a good appeal to the working class? This sounds like a good place to go. loving tear up Monsanto and give the farms back to small farmers and help them prosper. quote:Guns! I still remember all the times my sexist alcoholic chain-smoking father took me out to the gun range and let me and my brothers shoot his guns. It was actually quite fun and it helped me get over the gender socialized shyness and passive permissiveness that is beaten into many girls. I also liked the smell of gun powder and was a good shot! One time one of my father's friends showed up with an old black powder rifle and I managed to convince him to let me shoot it. It had intense recoil and I think it might have fractured my collar bone because I was in pretty intense pain and it was bruised, tender and sore for weeks. I'll never know though, because dad begged and bribed me not to tell my mom (I wasn't gonna anyway) and not to go to the hospital because he didn't want to get in trouble and it healed naturally on its own and I recovered. Later he taught me how to shoot a bow and we would go out hunting and I actually killed a deer once (it was 5 points I think? It has been a long time.) And he taught me how to skin it. (I still remember how and it's come up a few times but that's a story for another time.) Anyway, he never taught us gun safety. One of his friends did and warned us that they were dangerous and not toys and could hurt or kill people. And going to the range and hanging out with all these old white guys had me pick up a lot of their mannerisms. I became more brazen, shameless, and outgoing. My sexist dad letting me get involved in a "guy thing" was probably a huge influence on what made me such a crass smart rear end tom boy. And that is the story of how my sexist father, who endlessly quoted bible scripture at me about how women need to shut up and be obedient to men and who was bullied by his friends into letting his bored daughter, who he was sidelining and neglecting, participate in guy stuff with her brothers, turned me into a raving bisexual feminist. Thanks guns! So yeah, guns are alright. And we should all be allowed to arm ourselves as well as we can in case we need to have an uprising or something. But I also don't think people who are going to use guns for the wrong reasons should have them. I just don't think there's an effective way to determine who is a safe, responsible gun owner vs someone who is a potential spree shooter. And as someone who has a lot of significant mental health issues (the source of my earlier mentioned disability) I do not like the idea of profiling and denying the mentally ill access to guns as they were good for me and the mentally ill have a right to protect themselves too. Wow, I'm a loving terrible Democrat.  quote:Hillary didn't campaign on Bernie's poo poo  You're all right, she didn't. Maybe if she had she would have done a little better. One more reason why we failed to add to the pile that led us to this mess. Sigh.
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Nov 11, 2016 14:47
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comedyblissoption posted:this is the same reason why she distanced herself from TPP when she's been such a strong advocate for it and previous trade deals Which reminds me. Native Americans trying to protect their land and water are going to get bulldozered under Trump. But that probably would have happened with a Democratic president too because they are a bunch of loving corporate shills and eat the rich
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Hey I wanted to thank you for sticking with this thread, and I really hope others from the campaign are watching this thread and taking notes. Amen. Jesus loving christ capitalism. We are fed thus crock of poo poo that if we work hard and do a good job we will be rewarded. That we can't accept help or free hand outs because needing help and charity is weak and a sign of failure. We are told we must provide for ourselves and if our situation is poo poo we have to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps. But all that work hard and don't complain bootstraps bullshit did is create a labor class that was ripe for exploitation. That got underpaid for their work. And when their needs and costs started cutting into profit margins these people's loyalties were not rewarded. They were thrown to the loving wolves and abandoned while the companies they had loyally worked at for decades hosed off to China, or India, or Vietnam or Bangladesh or wherever so that they could make a bigger profit for themselves. And Democrats told them they would help then and kept them on the line and strung them along and never really loving delivered and gently caress us. Now Trump is doing the same. And Trump is right to blame the establishment and blame the Democrats. But he's not right about blaming the Mexicans and the Muslims. They should not be angry at the people who are just as much victims of this flawed system as they are. This crab bucketing, this divisive tactic of divide and conquer is what is keeping Americans from creating real change. We're too busy squabbling and hating each other to focus on the people really at fault which is the rich elites, the corporations and our bought politicians who sold us out for their own profit and continue to bleed us dry. We were so worried about corporate interests controlling the government but they always have and by voting in Trump we have handed the government over to corporate interests completely. All because we were desperate for salvation. gently caress capitalism.
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shave and a harelip posted:Buddy? gently caress you. As an Ohioan who grew up in Lake County I can't believe you like the black squirrels. Those fuckers were mean as hell! quote:Retraining and education If someone is 40+ it's not only difficult and challenging for them to retrain but they will almost surely struggle to find a job because of age discrimination. I've seen some numbers that suggest many companies are like the gays. Unless you get in early, once you're over 30 they're not interested in you any more. quote:Just bring them jobs and opportunities that pay well and that they can do. Coal sucks. I concur.
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comingafteryouall posted:DWS already showed that if you control the purse strings, you control the party apparatus. The Establishment wanted Hillary in 2008. We got Obama. We can change it and we're going to try.
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resar posted:The dems don't just need a mesage, they need to actually follow though. Obama had a message of hope, change, and getting the American economy working again. At the end of his 8 years the American working class still hasn't recovered from the recession and the best they have to show for electing him is a lovely insurance plan. I am deep into my own farts here but I truly believe Obama was genuine about Hope and Change and really did not only want to help these people but was looking for ideas for how to do so and had plans of his own. I believe the reason Obama actually failed to deliver on his promise to the working class is because, even though he had both the House and the Senate at the start of it, he did not have a filibuster proof majority and the Republicans refused to come to the table, legislate and compromise and instead dedicated themselves to obstruction and blocking loving everything. Which they openly gloated about and were promptly rewarded for in 2010 when the electorate didn't care that they were a bunch of petulant children and gave them more of the House and quite a bit of the Senate too. And he really did try to reach out to them. He proposed poo poo they actually wanted like criminal justice reform and immigration reform but they did not go for it. You could see and hear his frustration at how powerless he was and how goddamn insufferable the Republicans were being. Sure, maybe Obama was just as much of an owned corporate stooge as everyone else and was just stringing the desperate middle class along like everyone else. But I truly believe he was legit. Guys, I love Obama so much okay?
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Zikan posted:everyone needs to remember that beyond the presidential we need to prepare for the state and local elections as well because... Oh holy gently caress we're doomed. Fast Luck posted:These were Bernie's appointments to the platform committee  How is Bernie so good? How did we get Bernie? We don't deserve Bernie. Condiv posted:i dunno how you can still say this when he authorizes the DAPL against native american wishes From what I have heard, and again I am in a well of farts, he told them to back off and cut it out but the House and Congress were like, "get hosed!" Obama has stopped pipelines before, I don't see why he would balk at this one. But I do agree with posters here. Democrats are being huge pussies. We don't loving speak up on policies or the issues because we'd rather cover our asses. Obama should seriously speak up about DAPL in defense of the Native Americans and I have no idea why he hasn't. It's not like he has to behave himself to secure the Presidency for Hillary anymore. Maybe he is a poo poo but nope nope nope head straight up my rear end. Obama good. Love Obama. Pener Kropoopkin posted:Extremely Hot Take incoming: Alienated people who voted for Trump were absolutely right to do so, because if Clinton had won the establishment would claim to be validated (despite losing Congress, and downtickets) and then nothing would have changed. Their lives would still be mired in the poo poo while every woke pipsqueak confidently asserted that they don't matter. Yeah... yeah... you're right. We needed a wake up call, change needed to happen.But President loving Donald Trump? Augh. gently caress, gently caress, gently caress. quote:Hawkish Democrats getting baited into wars. *breaks out her tinfoil hat and places it on her head* Hello. Once upon a time I ran a D&D 3.5 campaign where the PCs were sent on quests and missions and such by the king of a kingdom. Seems simple enough. He sent them out to slay a local goblin encampment. He sent them out to take out a den of bandits who were disrupting the trade routes He convinced them to kill off a powerful group in one of the neighboring cities by feeding them a ton of lies and propaganda that they believed without question. Eventually they got pretty high level and he was still sending them out to do random clean up and whatnot. When they stopped getting experience for the low level encounters the party sorcerer finally got frustrated and asked why the king did not just send his military to dispose of the skeletons in the graveyard The king bluntly told them that he had no military. He had strong alliances with all the neighboring kingdoms through the power of trade and marriage arrangements. Having a standing military around would just worry his neighbors who would make a bigger military and then their neighbors would make an even bigger military which he would have to respond to with his own bigger military and so on. It was much cheaper and more efficient to simply hire a group of adventurers to handle this stuff than invest in a standing military which he would then have to keep happy and fed or they might depose him. The money he saved was used to keep his alliances strong and make himself insanely wealthy. The party got fed up and left to find higher level encounters and the king hired a bard to spread the message for his dire need for adventurers. The moral of this story. When you invest a lot of money into something (and we invest a lot of money into our military) you wanna get your money's worth. So we throw our huge over funded military around willy-nilly playing world police because that money has gotta go somewhere. It helps that the military contractors who have plants that make jobs in states pay big money to their campaigns and make big money making things to supply the military even when the military itself has said it does not need all this stuff. Military bases in states have their own microcosm of car dealerships and diners and bars surrounding them and those bases and the soldiers within can often be the only ecomony in that area. The only thing keeping people employed and creating demand. You can see why there is a lot of resistance to closing bases. Finally, starting a war makes the military contractors very rich and if it's in a lovely oil rich country it makes the oil executives very rich. Which makes their donations to the campaigns of politicians very generous. *takes her tinfoil hat off*
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Condiv posted:last night or a bit earlier it came out that obama was approving the rest of the DAPL, basically steam rolling native americans *From deep within her own rear end* I never stopped believing in you Obama. 😍 ---------------- I really wish we had the numbers to filibuster in the House but we do not and it will probably be a long time before we do. It's a shame. Because we could bring Keith Ellison in to explain to Republicans what sharia law really is. I mean, they wouldn't listen and wouldn't care and it would change no minds or do anything but it would be cathartic.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It just seems to me that questioning the system is going to be a much easier sell than questioning the presidency. Liberals are still obsessed with decorum. You could see it in the way Clinton and Obama called for everyone to unify under Trump, as if they weren't effectively the leading voices of the opposition party. Most of the liberals are going to fall in line too, because they think if you follow the rules then you're legitimate by default. The rules were the problem. This is one of the things that really makes me sour by the way. That liberals fall in line, are more willing to cooperate, and try to play nice with others. When Democrats controlled the House and Senate at the end of the Bush years we not only worked with Republicans and let then pass legislation but we, after a bit of bullshit on our end, actually accepted his Supreme Court Justice nominee. If we had sat on that nominee and just rejected it forever like the Republicans are doing now we could have given a liberal SCJ to Obama and the Voting Rights Act might have not been gutted. Instead we decided to be the better man and do our job and play nice and our maturity was not reciprocated. When the Republicans got the House back they made no attempts to work with Democrats. They just blocked everything. Shaming them and pointing it out and complaining about it was just met with sneers and declarations that their refusal to negotiate was not them being assholes but because Obama was weak and couldn't lead. loving jackasses. Now they're gonna stack the courts with conservative pro-business jerks and THAT COULD HAVE BEEN US. We could have installed someone liberal instead of Alito. We didn't need to capitulate. The economy was in shambles, we knew we were gonna win the election. Why the gently caress, why the gently caress did we give them Alito? We could have had Ginsburg, Kagan, Sotomayor and [Insert liberal judge here]. We could have had a near-majority! We could have had a chance of protecting the Voting Rights Act! But instead we played by the rules and our respect and cooperation was met with belligerence. The Republicans didn't care about being fair, their districts were safe as gently caress, there would be no consequences for just being jackasses. We got played. gently caress us. gently caress us forever for being such beta cucks.
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Welp. You know we got really close to going full on Facism during the Great Depression. FDR saved us. etalian posted:Remember when the finance sector crashed in 2008/2009 and Obama didn't use the DOJ/FBI to prosecute the individuals responsible for the crash? Pener Kropoopkin posted:Hey, remember when all the banks were illegally foreclosing on peoples' mortgages through robosigning? I'm glad they got a pleasant fine for stealing homes. Noooooo, you guys. Stop pointing out facts and telling the truth.  My beloved Obama, I will never doubt you. 😍 comedyblissoption posted:Democrats had their chance in the 2008 congress. They had gigantic almost super-majorities in both the house and senate and the presidency. They proceeded to use this overwhelming mandate for change and an economic crisis to be what ralph nader predicted: corporate stooges. They spent their 'political capital' licking the boot of wall st and the health and pharma corporations. No. It's not. Look, the Democrats loving suck. They are corporate shills selling out to the highest bidder. They are incompetent and short sighted. They lost a huge majority in 2008 practically overnight. But don't pretend they didn't need 60% to do anything. Republicans publicly swore they would filibuster and block everything. They gloated about it. It was their loving plan. There are recordings of Mitch McConnell straight up saying, "Yeah we're just not gonna let them do poo poo." There is no way to shut down a filibuster other than having enough votes to get the law on the floor. Democrats COULD have done something if Republicans would have worked with them but they filibustered and refused. If they had gotten 60% would they have done anything progressive? Probably not. They are all in the loving pockets of the banks/wall street/big pharma/etc pick your loving poison. But Republicans were dead set and dedicated to not giving them a chance to do anything. And that is simply a fact.
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comedyblissoption posted:licking the boot of wall st and not criminally indicting ANYONE for the 2008 crisis or the loving robo-foreclosure scandal is entirely on obama and the democrats. you can't loving fall back and try to blame the republicans here. LOL that Hillary's own loving daughter is married to a Goldman Sachs dude. No, you guys, Hillary's totally legit and uncompromised. She will 100% go after Wall Street for realsies. loving kill me.
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pathetic little tramp posted:One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong. This this this! Peel posted:they could have abolished the filibuster afaik but i understand why they were hesitant to do so. mistake in hindsight though They could have and I honestly think they should have but they, being the beta cucks they are, didn't want to do it because it might get turned back around on them. Jokes on you dems! They strangled you out of relevance and you'll never get a chance at at filibuster! loving RIP.
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Fullhouse posted:so allow workers to file labor complaints regardless of their residence status and that all goes away, and you still have a hard-working labor class who, as a reminder, commit LESS crimes than native-born citizens (https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...campaign=Buffer) and actually NOTICEABLY REDUCE crime rates in communities that have high numbers of recent immigrants moving in (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10940-013-9210-5) I linked crime statistics to Trumpeters and they just told me to get hosed. They didn't seem to be interested in facts. Sad! Thoguh posted:They're opposed to having competition for the dwindling number of low skill jobs from people who accept terrible pay and working conditions because they are even more desperate than everybody else. It is so much cheaper and much less illegal to just mandate a fair wage for ALL workers (thus removing the benefit of hiring illegal immigrants) than building a loving Wall and deporting them all. Also a fair wage mandate will actually help the working class. Wow! NO! Keith Ellison only! Sharia law now! quote:Clinton and Clinton campaign staff pointing blame everywhere else but at themselves. gently caress you! You are all the loving worst! Aaaah! quote:Donna Brazile tweeting inspirational quotes. Can we bring back tar and feathering?
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:About Obama counties switching to Trump: When viewing the history one that goes from the 1800s to today please remember that the Republican Party was actually once the more liberal and progressive party. I'm not exactly sure when it started to shift but the poles had definitely majorly realigned pre-FDR. But I do know shift was finished around LBJ's time when all the anti-civil rights Democrats fled to the Republican Party.
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SpaceGoku posted:I've signed petitions  Petitions ain't worth poo poo!quote:and am gonna start making phone calls on monday and I'm gonna go to what meetings I can but I sure as poo poo hope good stuff happens, if it looks like the clintonites refuse to acknowledge their failings and don't cede control to a progressive group then idk, let the DNC die off and make a new party I guess? I cannot find Zikan's huge post about making Keith Ellison happen, can someone please quote that? If you really wanna help the progressive take over of the DNC make Keith Ellison happen and get out and vote for Democrats in EVERY election. The reason Republicans were able to get this stranglehold is because liberals can't be hosed to vote in local and state elections. We gotta change that.
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bump_fn posted:but also please talk to people. I once talked to a Republican and we agreed on guns and had a really good conversation about criminal justice reform where we agreed quite a bit. Am... am I a bad Democrat?  Princess Di posted:I still like you. 
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hailthefish posted:Software Engineers and similar 6-figure techbros are really more suited to a 'professional organization' like doctors and lawyers and regular engineers. Tech companies have gotten really good at getting their workers to work more than they should for less compensation/benefits. Loving that shift towards hiring contractors instead of actual employees. They don't have to pay benefits and the contractors have significantly less job security. So good. So beautiful. The shift from awarding workers a set number of paid vacation days a year to allowing them unlimited vacation time. Sounds good but it had the (intended) result of workers taking LESS paid time off because they did not want to be judged by their peers for not working or something. But they screwed themselves too. Right now getting your diverse multi-disciplined workers to brainstorm with each other is all the rage because innovation good. But the companies are finding the workers reluctant to do so. Managers and senior managers bitching about how different branches won't talk to each other or work together. Assume it's out of elitism or greed, that their workers in Division A think they're better than the workers in Division B. Or that workers just don't want to share the credit/reward, etc. It's actually because the company puts the workers on needle thin deadlines and time spent consulting with/engaging with other branches is time not spent finishing the project on time so they are discouraged from and punished for trying to get other disciplines involved. Way to let your toxic, work to death environment stifle creativity and innovation. Top City Homo posted:with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi leading the senate and the house as minority leaders, two old moneyed assholes from tech and wallstreet 
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