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and you can say that the economy is doing fine all you want, but there are many areas in the US where this absolutely isn't the case. We have lots of jobs now, but most of those jobs offer terrible pay with terrible hours and zero benefits. People cannot afford to survive Hillary took Bernie's economic populist message and threw it in the garbage for "We spoke to a pageant contestant from 20 years ago and she says she isn't voting for you" e: slave to my cravings posted:Autopsy report: Kelly Anne Conway, reince priebus, newt Gingrich, Rudy giuliani, bill Mitchell, dilbro all had more insight into the electorate than all the democrats combined - fix that I am honestly more mad about Bill Mitchell's stupid rear end being retroactively right than anything else in this election. Who allowed that to happen? How was every single poll so wrong?
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Oh Snapple! posted:Do you think Democrats want Bernie to have the reigns and would actually allow him to take them if he himself actually wanted to? look at the UK Labour party and ask yourself this again (the answer is no, the fake-leftist shills would rather suicide bomb their own party than see actual leftist policy ever implemented)
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Nov 10, 2016 01:44
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Flubby posted:I know this is off-topic and probably inflammatory, but I think you have to give credit to Venom. He was around last night, through all that poo poo. Where is Epic High Five and A Winner Is Jew and about five other turd burglars that laughed down at anyone that called out Hillary as being a weak candidate? Rats off a sinking ship, gone before the waters had even gotten rough, and probably trying to duck their ban. poo poo on and ridicule anyone not in their group think bubble and when the poo poo hits the fan, poof. Gone. i hope they gently caress off forever because the Hill Gang were collectively the most awful and insufferable posters here e: to clarify VS is cool and i hope he sticks around
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Nov 10, 2016 03:37
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Yinlock posted:i mean besides anime was right's fantastic post all i'm seeing about what she could have done better is "immediately concede to bernie sanders who would have won because[insert fanfiction]" she could have learned anything at all from his success aside from adopting watered-down healthcare and college proposals and never ever talking about them
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Nov 10, 2016 04:10
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Mrit posted:Back in 2006, I was angry. Angry at the Republicans, angry at the weakness of the Dems. I was hard left, and wanted to destroy the current government. woah accelerationism does work
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Nov 10, 2016 04:15
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:This deserves to be quoted. I can think of very few left-wing icons that are less likable than Lena Dunham the fat exhibitionist pedophile, or Lady Gaga the... seriously jesus christ what the gently caress were they thinking.  though tbf i think he collapsed into some kind of irony vortex after the primary ended
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Nov 10, 2016 04:27
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Jonny 290 posted:"Yeah, I wanna take your coal mine job. I wanna take it and bury it at that bottom of the mine, where nobody ever has to work it again. And I'm going to replace it with a safe job in a solar/renewable/green energy plant, where you get benefits and a full lunch break and overtime, and you can go home and enjoy your family past age 50 instead of dying of black lung so this rear end in a top hat doesn't have to pay full rates on his power bill for Trump Tower." it's laughable how this never occurred to anyone lol mining coal is loving terrible. you think those people liked that poo poo? it was all they had
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Nov 10, 2016 04:40
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Zythrst posted:You'll never leave Harlan alive. get the coal miners jobs in rocketry. make NASA great again
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Nov 10, 2016 04:46
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I think enough time has passed to talk about how scapegoating Russia and painting Trump as an agent of the Kremlin was a dumb idea. a lot of it was literally true but yeah they really brought that out too much
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Nov 10, 2016 05:05
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Timeless Appeal posted:The trend of people going "It's not that America's racist, it's that she failed to court midwestern voters" is dumb. Yes, obviously in hindsight she should have done that. What people are ignoring is that it's Trump. It's a man who a month ago the sheer notion of becoming president was thought as impossible with numerous sexual assault claims. A person who called for banning the immigration of Muslim Americans. A person who openly mocked a disabled reporter. A person who showed profound ignorance every time he stepped on a debate stage. turnout was way the gently caress down this election because hillary didn't bother to give people a reason to show up. it's not complicated or hard
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Nov 10, 2016 05:08
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Nov 10, 2016 06:28
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Strep Vote posted:Then why are you still insisting you are not out of touch? You are. You sent a message. It was this: "Things are great for us rn fam, let's keep it going!" Meanwhile every person living hand to mouth in this country is slowly ground into a fine paste and you wanted them to stay the course. Staying the course and winning was more important to you than helping, and you broadcasted that loud and clear. The sheer hysteria and mindless gibbering over Donald loving Trump was just...God. "No guys he is LITERAL HITLER and we can NEVER YIELD TO HIM also he is dumb and his supporters are so dumb lol wait where is our presidency?" That poo poo showed everyone your true colors: that you are more afraid of losing your comfort than you want to fix things. Donald Trump promised to fix things. Like, he won't, but HE SAID HE WOULD, while the party establishment and every loving third way democrat out there insisted there wasn't a problem to be fixed. venom snake did not personally determine or have any say in the hillary campaign's strategy and outreach. calm down
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Nov 10, 2016 07:42
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Pomp posted:i genuinely don't care if we lost because the human race can't handle calling bad people what they are if you want someone to vote for you then your entire campaign can't consist of calling them stupid assholes and shaming them
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Nov 10, 2016 18:22
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Freaking Crumbum posted:I don't know what the long-term answer is, but I'm amazed at how aggressively some of the left-wing public icons/heroes are trying to shame the very people who didn't vote for them in the first place, like that's going to be helpful in any way. same reason thousands of people went out last night to stand in their cities and protest, and tons of people shared big long Facebook posts calling the entire country a white supremacist racist hateland: makes them feel better about themselves without having to do any of the hard parts of effecting change
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Nov 10, 2016 19:40
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Pomp posted:Did you just call protesting an easy protesting with no goals except "I'm really mad!" serves absolutely no purpose except to make you look like a baby
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Nov 10, 2016 19:48
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Zikan posted:sanders has made his first move for progressives to take over the dnc. keith ellison is the co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus which is basically then anti-third way/clinton faction of the party 
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Nov 10, 2016 20:16
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Mirthless posted:Look, it's a mistake to not campaign in multiple states when you know you need them to win, whether you're Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton. I'm not saying he should have run the social progressivism campaign Hillary did but it should be pretty obvious he should have done things differently if he wanted to win the primary. Bernie's one speech would have done much better than Hillary's zero speeches in the general fwiw
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Nov 10, 2016 21:36
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Full disclosure: I used to be a right libertarian, and they're very clear about what they're actually for. It just doesn't manifest publicly because what they're for is against any form of government which doesn't guarantee the right to property. Right wing libertarianism is liberal ideology carried to its logical extreme. Extreme American libertarianism is no different from anarchist capitalism at all
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Nov 10, 2016 22:23
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Not to get too derailed here, but Anarcho-Capitalism is a self-defeating ideology because a truly stateless society makes private property impossible. That's why "mainstream" libertarians say they're minarchists. mainstream libertarians also melt down basically immediately if you try to tell them that their free market only exists because of government regulation and enforcement. but the real unifying belief is that none of them want to pay taxes man I hate libertarians
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Nov 10, 2016 22:37
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Pick posted:Oh, and to be honest, there's an equivalent "deplorables" attitude towards second-wave feminists that has driven a lot of them into FYGM territory. People tend to think "political correctness" is a white men v. everybody proposition, and that is a huge oversimplification. A lot of older, 50-something white women do not like being chastised by tattooed, pierced, poly millennial women with undercuts. Whether it's justified or not, knowing as many older women as I do, I am confident this phenomenon is very real. Progressivism can't take women for granted either, and can't condescend to them. A lot of people are pissed at the idea they have to be in lock-step with the loudest voice in the room. turns out Smug Liberal syndrome is real and alienating and we need to bring that thread back
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HannibalBarca posted:Sitting at a wings place, table next to me is talking about currency manipulation and how we need to talk about "CHINA" and not "Lady GAGA". This is suburban Atlanta, by the way. Sort of an indictment of the Clinton campaign. weird how the campaign that ran on issues instead of celebrity endorsements and woke nerds jerking themselves over the Rapidly Approaching Oppo Drop managed to win bigly
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The Kingfish posted:Hillfolk were accusing him of doing just that during the primary. and the entire neoliberal media remember when this poo poo happened http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-the-new-york-times-sandbagged-bernie-sanders-20160315 quote:First, as noted in the Medium piece, they changed the headline. It went from:
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LastInLine posted:And all of the secondary companies like parts suppliers and logistics companies would have collapsed. In 2009 2 million jobs were connected to the US auto industry. Not just the factories, but the dealers, parts suppliers, logistics, R&D, and financing companies. Allowing the US auto industry to disappear would've cost two million jobs. yeah the auto industry is more than just people who make cars. there's a ton of loving jobs there because it is necessary to own a car to be a viable citizen in America, unless you live in inner NYC basically
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Homework Explainer posted:it's not a .gif buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut same
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Al! posted:Nite crew culture is pretty terrible and will inevitably metastasize into the cancer that kills this subforum. The one downside to the HillShill Toxx Amnesty is that it didn't permanently remove them. people posting literally constantly about their crew is stupid cliquish nonsense that belongs in anime chat threads and nowhere else
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Rand alPaul posted:When is :bernget: coming back? seriously what happened we still have loving  and everything
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HannibalBarca posted:https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/796914768854519808 lmao
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this article was written 2 years ago and nobody learned anything from any of it http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/where-the-tea-party-rules-20141014 warning: long as hell e: hell, there's even a great example of a rust belt worker with no prospects retraining into green energy just to try and make something of it and then finding no work anywhere near him. there's your loving angle quote:So Smith did something risky: Following a longtime obsession with wind turbines, he decided to switch careers and become a wind technician. In 2011, after training at a technical school in Sweetwater, Texas, he quit his job at Accubuilt. Unable to find work in Ohio, he was hired by AES, a Fortune 200 energy company with a large wind farm in Troy, Pennsylvania, about 470 miles away. Within his first year on the job, he says, he'd learned everything there was to know about fixing wind turbines, as well as many basic business skills. He soon advanced to become an environmental coordinator at the facility, handling emergency management plans. the bitcoin of weed has issued a correction as of 07:52 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Kithkar posted:One of the points VS is trying to make that you all keep skipping over with the factories point is that with modern and even near future autonomation there probably isn't anywhere near enough factory jobs to help these dying towns, and even when it does happen a lot of people are going to need a lot of retraining. It should be done, but that isn't the only answer. it doesn't necessary have to be literally factories. there are tons of skilled manual labor jobs that we won't be able to automate effectively for decades, at the very least. Bernie's whole thing was rebuilding the nation's infrastructure, both because it's currently barely functional and because it's something we can employ a lot of people to do. The Tennessee Valley Authority is arguably one of the most successful government stimulus programs ever. Make half a dozen of those covering various impoverished areas of the country, focusing on green energy, and we're all a whole lot better off (and we can put coal in the grave forever).
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big juicy nectarine posted:But Hillary's continued actions overseas were going to blow up in our face through domestic terrorism here, and that just ratchets up the xenophobia which leads to Trumps. The DNC was going to have to have a reckoning about their foreign policy eventually, and Bernie really didn't do enough about that conversation. bernie's foreign policy knowledge was actually really good and the fact he gleefully poo poo on Henry Kissinger and brought up US involvement with the Mossadagh coup on a nationally broadcast debate was loving inspiring too bad he couldn't penetrate the powerful meme of "hillary clinton knows all the foreign policy because she relies the same horrifying advisors the Republican neocons do"
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mrmcd posted:Illegal immigration is actually bad for workers, because it allows owners to take desperate people and use them as tools to break unions, skirt workplace rights and regulations, and drive down wages. Legal immigrants can be allies and don't allow businesses to do those things if you have a real and meaningful system of worker protection. They also pay taxes and spend money in the economy where they live. so allow workers to file labor complaints regardless of their residence status and that all goes away, and you still have a hard-working labor class who, as a reminder, commit LESS crimes than native-born citizens (https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...campaign=Buffer) and actually NOTICEABLY REDUCE crime rates in communities that have high numbers of recent immigrants moving in (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10940-013-9210-5) why did nobody ever bother to bring this up during the 18 months of campaigning that painted all immigrants as violent rapists? who loving knows
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mrmcd posted:Another thing we need to point out is that the reason our military got to the size it is and spending on it almost never goes down, is because a large bulk of it is basically just a government jobs program to employ people without much other prospects, either through arms manufacturing or enlistment benefits. i've been saying for years that military enlistment is excellent from a benefits and job training perspective and a similar approach should be given to people sent to work on infrastructure and public works projects instead of sitting on base in the middle east/asia jerking around, and then a few months ago learned about the Civilian Conservation Corps i like to think that proved me retroactively right and we should just have one of those again
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Thoguh posted:Crime stats are lower in communities that are terrified of being noticed by authorities? Huh. Literally the opposite, actually http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10940-013-9210-5 posted:
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iospace posted:The entirety of Trump's ground game was actually the GOP's. They had a ground game, but it wasn't run by the candidate himself. https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/795443493674086400 ground game doesn't matter if nobody likes the candidate
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Zikan posted:here's the map for the republicans gain more state legislatures and rewrite the constitution doomsday scenario this is terrifying
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