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Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

The RLM video about The Force Awakens was hot garbage so there's that.

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Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Mods please move this thread to TVIV tia

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

I read the last 20 pages of the 40k thread and now my head hurts. At least I can now identify as a Death Threader who makes sculptors feel bad by not liking over engineered models, making me basically Hitler

Thirsty Dog fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Jan 12, 2017

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

That should have said the last 20 pages of the 40k thread.

Stalin was poo poo at posting too

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Aeldari is a joke yes?

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

Oh, it totally does. But everything I've tried otherwise, like Infinity, just feels even slower and full of nitpicky bullshit. And then, on the other end, there's stuff like AoS which is basically just "toss a bunch of dice i don't know who cares".

I just haven't found any game that strikes that balance to my liking.

lol

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

I'm still laughing at nit picky rules.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

I have started reading the dumb Wulfen book and oh my god I forgot just how terrible an author David Annandale is. Comparing his work with Dan Abnett's HH space wolf novel is just depressing.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

gently caress Whitey posted:

To be fair Abnetts was Prospero Burns and that book was one of the better HD books overall

Any comparison to that is gonna be weak

Right, but one of Abnett's discarded shopping lists is better than anything Annandale has written. I'd completely forgotten that he wrote some execrable Heresy novel as well.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

I dunno man, furries usually are the worst part of any hobby

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Truly there's no shortage of unfunny clones of The Onion.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Captain Rufus posted:

So I might actually be playing 40K Kill Team this wed because I am that goddamned desperate to play some games. Anyone have advice for making a good Eldar force? (Besides not playing. Don't worry I have found.. resources to at least try it without giving GW money. Even if I do kinda want Lost Patrol or that set with the Harlequins in it, the latter for 2nd ed 40K play.)

Like I am debating Rangers n Guardians, or doing something with Warp Spiders or Guardian Jetbikers or maybe Dire Avengers or even go stupid small with Wraithguard. I mean I could probably make like 5 different forces because if I am gonna drive an hour just to play SOMETHING I might as well get my time and gas money's worth!

Actual Kill Team or HoR?

I don't know poo poo about either of them, it's just where this question always leads so I thought I'd save you some time.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Admiral Joeslop posted:

Why is the AoS thread closed? Did this thread win the roll to go twice?

There was some in depth criticism made by someone who actually plays AoS and that cannot be.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

On holiday in NZ a few years back I stayed with a couple of horse riders who were part of the ride of the rohirrim :black101:

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

It's over, Atlas Hugged. He has the higher ground.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Avenging Dentist posted:

this but any movie from any franchise

(Which reminds me, I should actually get around to watching The VVitch and Neon Demon. They both look radical.)

The witch is fantastic, though a lot of people didn't like how it ended.

Neon Demon is bad

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Liquid Communism posted:

Man, between the metallic sheen and all the greebly details I can't even get a good impression for how those things -look-.

I tried making out the detail on the faces to see what they actually looked like and now I have a nosebleed

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

They're borderline for too much detail making the faces incoherent, but that second one is over the line into "where did his face go"

Still probably the best models they've shown in ages

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Thundercloud posted:

Terrain is plastic.

I imagine the Orks are the weaker side in the starter, like the Tau were the weaker side in Kill Team.

And yeah, odds are I'll immediately pull out painted Tactical marines or Mechanicus or Chaos or Genestealer Cults.

But for kids if the price point is low enough it is a great point of entry.

What insane company wouldn't include two evenly matched sides

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Chill la Chill posted:

Uh it's called Vespene gas. There's an entire lore built around the fierce competition for this material built over the last 20 years.

Cadia should have constructed additional pylons.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

GW already knows how to do good activation systems, Epic Armageddon exists

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

mcjomar posted:

But hasn't been supported for a decade, and now we're getting "Adeptus Titanicus" as a Heresy era replacement sometime in the near future, like in the next few months supposedly.
But if they've done it before, it would be nice if they did it again.

Of course it's been supported! It's had regular army list updates, major playtests, cool offshoot stuff created, expansion books released, and even entire new ranges of models designed to bring old armies up to modern standards!


Just, you know... not by GW.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

From the bad thread:

Hixson posted:

8th edition already? Wow, GW must have something special planned. I have a hard time imagining there being that much room for improvement on 7th edition.

Either way I'm excited :)



I genuinely can't tell if this is sarcasm. Help me, death thread.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

S.J. posted:

I'm sorry you had to find out like this.

Oh my god

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Safety Factor posted:

:thejoke:

Noted Serious Posters, Hixson and Panascope.

I try not to internalise any information on bad thread posters.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

I quite like the look of those plague marines...

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Reminder that 2e was a game made for and marketed to children and expecting non adults to even consider that they should modify the game to make it better let alone do it in a sane and well thought out manner is nuts

Like I never considered that virus stuff or the vortex grenade was game breaking overpowered because I literally wasn't capable of an accurate bird's eye view of how everything fit together

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Quick summary of the last ten pages or so:

SOURCE
YOUR
QUOTES

(And stop falling for it, the rest of you)

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Have people stopped spamming bolter and chainsword / dakkadakka / etc posts yet

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Hixson posted:

It proves that most posters in here have no objectivity and will blindly vomit out effort posts whenever a perceived pro GW post appears.

It's pretty funny actually.

Talk me through this. You've copied and pasted posts from dumb fans on a dumb rabid 40k forum, passed them off as your own, and because people argued with the dumb opinions that means those people are not objective yadda yadda

I don't think I understand the logic. Mostly it's funny when people fall for it because hahaha they're earnestly arguing with fake posts but posting this poo poo for ten pages probably says more about you guys than the thread.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

That doesn't say anything about objectivity.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Hixson posted:

You blindly disagreed with several non-sensical posts without even reading them.

Seriously, go back and re-read some of them. They literally make no sense.

You didn't read the replies if you thought I disagreed with them, given that I was busy sighing and shaking my head and not posting except to yell "source your quotes".

People disagreeing with poo poo posts doesn't mean they've lost all objectivity and are blinding attacking "perceived" pro-GW posts, it means they're arguing with someone who's putting forward lovely opinions and trying to make sense of nonsense.

It's dumb of people not to recognise when others are shitposting, but it doesn't mean posters here are disagreeing just because. Post disagreeable poo poo, get disagreed with.

It's still better than Gundams but let's not pretend you've managed to prove some grand statement about the Death Thread.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Amazing that the thread that mostly lives on making fun of GW and its fans should have posters that will argue with people who post literally copies of GW fans wrongheaded opinions

Truly this a mind-blowing realisation and the obsessive quoting of every response long after the jig is up is definitely owning this thread all over again


loving hell, I thought Star Citizen fans were bad.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Avenging Dentist posted:

rly it's mostly a chat thread where people make fun of gw whenever the star wars chat gets a little too hot 'n' heavy

Yeah, I know. It's actually a pretty decent general tabletop + related items thread most of the time. But obviously GW is its raison d'etre.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

panascope posted:

I request the other Death thread regulars also apologize & say something they liked about Attack of the Clones.

I'm sorry

I liked the bit where it ended

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

tallkidwithglasses posted:

Real talk, heroic scale mini games actually all cost about the same. Calth/Prospero runs ~125ish and can reasonably be about 1000 points of GW mans, the warmahordes intro boxes are $40 for a 0 point battlegroup but the non boardgame plastic models are actually a little more expensive than GW, so getting up to a 75 point tournament list is probably $150 if you go for cheap and not optimal (and you need 2 lists for a tournament), and infinity and malifaux are pretty similar.

GW has the advantage of lots of old armies on eBay though.

Real talk, 40k tournament size is 1850 at the lowest usually, and the equivalent 300pts of Infinity tends to be either 10 man or a little bit over. I can buy a 300 point tournament-legal army - where 300 points are the mainstay and not some "well, you can play 150 or 200 to get a feel for the game" style thing - for £72.

Good luck buying your 40k army for £72.

Secondly, it's very rare that 2 lists for a tournament in WMH don't share models.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Like, I haven't played 40k in a long time, but even I'm aware that <£100 doesn't buy you much of an army. For a fun experiment I thought I'd put together an army that would've been lots of points way back in the day and tot it up using an online army builder (Epic Roster)

So, from the site (sorry GW, I'm not in Ireland)

Captain £18
10-man Tac Squad £25 (used as 2 squads ingame)
5-man Terminator Squad £28 (this is a good price IMO)
5-man Devastator Squad £28
Dreadnought £28
5-man Assault Squad £25

Before specialist wargear but adding in available weapons, that's under 1000pts. For 27 models of one of the more points-expensive armies in the game. Coming out at ~£150. You're still looking at another 900pts or so from somewhere to match.

The price comparison does not work in GW's favour, even when you can point at individual models or squads and compare them favourably with the competition, price-wise.

Look at Infinity's Yu Jing Starter Pack. It's €40 from CB themselves. It's just 6 models. That's expensive compared to GW - though I much prefer the models - but they're a significant chunk of an army list:

3x ZHANSHI (Combi Rifle) (33pts in total)
1x TIGER SOLDIER Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) (Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower) (33pts)
1x HSIEN (HMG) (61 points)
1x ZÚYǑNG (MULTI Rifle) (28 points)

That's 155 points, over halfway to a full sized force.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Bad Decision Dino posted:

If you bought the Start Collecting! Space Marines or Betrayal at Calth you could get a pretty decent Space Marines army for a lower price. These would be perfectly viable options for games of Kill Team and Combat Patrol, which is were the game is best for new players anyway.

Betrayal at Calth is £95 for

- A Captain in Terminator Armour and a Dark Apostle;
- A Contemptor Dreadnought, armed with a choice of multi-melta or assault cannon;
- Five Cataphractii Terminators, with weapon options including combi bolters, power fists, lightning claws, chain fists, power swords, heavy flamers and grenade harnesses;
- Thirty Legion Tactical Space Marines in MK4 armour, with a huge selection of weapons and custom features, including bolters, missile launchers, heavy bolters, chainswords, power swords, power fists, plasma pistols, lightning claw blades, combi flamer, melta and plasma guns, a melta bomb and a set of combat blades! These miniatures also include ammo packs, holstered bolt pistols and a selection of frag and krak grenades.

someone else can price that up points-wise as I need to head out, but those goalposts seem to be shifting from "playing a game of 40k" to "playing a game of 40k that isn't 40k but is designed for low model counts / intros to the rules". Which is fine as I think Kill Team is a legit good idea even if the ruleset doesn't really work at that level, but let's compare apples to apples here.

Otherwise that €40 Yu Jing set is all you need for Infinity's version of the starter game. Or Operation: Icestorm at £65, which has two armies, a game mat, scenery, and a bunch of other stuff.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Bad Decision Dino posted:

I will agree that if you want to play 40k tournaments you will probably have to spend a lot of money. That said, there are several ways to play and enjoy the game with 100 bucks to spend. Claiming that anything less than tournament level play isn't real 40k seems like a weird argument, equivalent to saying that I cannot play Magic without spending a couple hundred bucks.

Argue with the guy who choose to use "you need two lists for tournaments" as an argument against WMH, then.

40k isn't kill team and kill team is some barely supported mod for 40k.

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Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Bad Decision Dino posted:

I don't want to argue with that guy, he sounds like a tool.

You could also just play 500 points of regular 40k or whatever? The assertion that 40k can only be played and or enjoyed at 1800 or above is simply untrue.

I'm not sure I have the energy to argue with someone who thinks that playing 40k at 500 points is a valid concept in this discussion

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