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Terrible Opinions: Oct 18, 2013

Yes as demonstrated by Moola's dad and sis here.

# ¿ Dec 31, 2016 14:09

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# ¿ May 5, 2024 04:48

Terrible Opinions: Oct 18, 2013

What is the source on the messed up knight firing arcs?

# ¿ Jan 21, 2017 06:14

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I kinda like the demigryph thing, but boy howdy is that an ugly sigmarine. Too bad it probably costs like 30 bucks for a single model. Guess I'm waiting on recasters.

# ¿ Jan 28, 2017 07:15

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I'm confused by that price point. The star drake which is much bigger costs 140 freedom bucks and the similarly sized dragon dogs cost 65 for two. Still grotesquely overpriced, nowhere near 110 for a single cavalry model.

# ¿ Jan 28, 2017 08:15

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I would say I'm sorry you live in a prison colony, but we currently looking down the barrel of the escape from new york timeline here in freedom land.

# ¿ Jan 28, 2017 08:21

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muggins posted:

I actually noticed the new tzeentch demon is 70 pounds, or 115 usd, while the true exchange rate should be 87. I've noticed mantic and warlord do this as well. I can understand not wanting to have to change prices based on exchange rates all the time, but it's not even close. Is this even legal?

GW cares about independent ebay retailers and wants to make sure they have a place in the current economy.

# ¿ Jan 31, 2017 23:37

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neonbregna posted:

My uncle that works for games workshop and the dude that I am cucking that works for forge world have both told me that there will be 5 factions so it is totally not aos. It will be (1) astra militarim, neutral good, (2) Aeldari Ynarri, chaotic neutral, (3) lawful neutral, current chaos space marines once the corpse emperor is slain, (4) chaotic evil, dark eldar and current daemons, (5) true neutral, orcs, tyranids, tau. Thus will true balance be achieved and rules will be made good.

I know this is a joke post, but we live in a post AoS Trump presidency world. I'd say it's plausible.

# ¿ Feb 13, 2017 13:16

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The norscans kind of need a re-balancing. Right now it's generally best to leave Middenland, Nordland, and Marienburg independent to be a buffer against them.

# ¿ Feb 13, 2017 19:59

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Irate Tree posted:

I have finally written the bad thread off for dead, I believe this a good and sound decision.
Using the handicapped as a punching bag is not okay, holy poo poo.

Maybe I'm just skimming to much but what are you talking about in the bad thread?

# ¿ Mar 20, 2017 06:14

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Hixson posted:

Just buy GW models? They're priced appropriately for their quality. Most people (me included) won't play with you if you have some stupid warmahordes or whatever models

At least in America that's not true. Most of our game stores either have about parity between GW and Warmahordes or a slight Warmahordes majority. Though this is assuming your store's manager doesn't have some weird obsession like trying to convince everyone Force of Wills is a good game.

ijyt posted:

But I already play League of Legends. I don't need new champions. We can play this game right now. If I play Dota 2, I may never learn the meta. I already main Teemo. I just want to spam dang mushrooms.

Hello Satan.

# ¿ Mar 29, 2017 18:05

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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

They're cynical fucks who release unforgivably buggy games for premium prices.

Don't give Sega money.

Don't you still play 40k? I have some bad news for you son. You are paying a premium price for an unforgivably buggy game if yes.

# ¿ Apr 3, 2017 04:06

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So onto Shogun 2.

# ¿ Apr 3, 2017 04:19

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Ugleb posted:

I skipped 18 pages because the previous 20 were low on content and high on defensive rhetoric. Sadly I can't find time to read this all so I'll get to my point.

40k diehards want to know why death thread participants won't admit GW is awesome now, right?

I was a big GW fan through the 90's and dropped out of the wargaming hobby around 2000 when I went to uni, which happens to be about the time most people consider GW to have gone into decline. I played and tried to collect for pretty much every game GW was putting out up to then.

I came back to wargaming 2 years or so ago a bit before AoS landed. I took a look at what GW was doing and it was depressing, most the things I liked about GW seemed long gone or in sorry state. Since then I have noted improvement, or at least the attempt to improve.

AoS launched poorly but GW seem to be attempting course correction and revision of the game to address short comings.

GW have begun reaching out to their communities again. Like a modern company.

GW appear more willing to admit that they have competition and that maybe their games should be better to play. AoS was I think an ambitious experiment and 40k 8th edition is being touted as a significant attempt to fix the game rather than just flog some books.

GW are reviving fan favourite licences that should never have been dropped. Blood Bowl. Necromunda (kinda). Epic (maybe, kinda).

These are all signs that GW is trying to right the ship.

But I am still not going to be won back, and that is because they aren't hitting the right notes for me.

Their modern aesthetic isn't my bag. I find the poses generally awkward and most models are over wrought with excessive details. They are not clean and dynamic, I find them clunky and muddled. I gather they are produced to a high standard, but I just don't find them all that attractive. This is of course subjective and you may disagree.

While I think AoS was a bold attempt to innovate, it did come at the cost of losing the most established fantasy mass battles game in the industry and the butchering of its lore (as Tolkien derivative as it might have been). GW could have launched AoS as a wholly new property pitched at whatever scale AoS is meant to be played at and moved WFB over to specialist games status. I think we all agree this transition could have been done better.

40k is seemingly rolling the clock back to 2nd edition. This isn't moving forwards.

Necromunda appealed to me for its setting and aesthetic. It's rules I feel have been surpassed by other games in the past 20 years. The new title drops everything I liked about Necromunda but reportedly retains those old rules apparently unchanged.

I have recently been throwing out my old GW rule books as I felt they just are not games that I would choose to play over cleaner and more polished modern rule sets. And yet GW are heading right back to them. If that was what I wanted, I could have played it at any time in the last 20 years, so how is this moving forwards?

Agreed GW shouldn't be praised for making very timid steps toward be better, just like EA shouldn't be praised if their newer games are technically less bad than Dungeon Keeper Mobile.

# ¿ Apr 5, 2017 02:11

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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

ea just released the steaming pile of dogshit known as mass effect andromeda so maybe hold your horses there chief!

It's bad but less bad than Dungeon Keeper. Same way that everything GW releases is still bad but not purposely bad legacy armies for AoS bad, or latest Tyranid codex bad.

# ¿ Apr 5, 2017 04:01

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TheChirurgeon posted:

Also lol at believing that offering a refund is "the bare minimum they could do"

It absolutely is. Good war game companies don't charge for their rules at all.

dmnz posted:

Aztec Lizardmen and Slave Owning Elves, and all the other instances of GW lifting historical settings into their fantasy races and lore, are just as derivative and uncopyrightable as stale pop culture cliches.

I'm not saying that GW didn't take these starting points and try to do something original with them. Do say so would be, oh, willfully obtuse?

Fantasy was a stale retread of fantasy cliches and real world cultures. 40k was a stale retread of various 80s sci fi comics and books. Like I know 40k fans don't notice this because they have difficulty reading but it doesn't make it less true.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2017 04:34

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Chill la Chill posted:

These are what show up as custodes for me and it's what I expected when I heard GW was doing a custodes army:

You can imagine I was disappointed.

Where was the second image from?

Deino posted:

At our local game night, some friends of ours pulled out Munchkin claiming they'd heard great things about it and that "it looked like fun" though they'd never played it before. Thankfully we ended up playing Werewolf instead as I was not looking forward to having to explain why Paul had wasted his money.

I have played Munchkin twice already.

Even once was too much.

Do you even play Munchkin? You sound overly invested in hating a game other people find fun.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2017 16:54

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Liquid Communism posted:

Weird that GW is the only one where people will go into other threads and "ironically" screech about how the company is terrible then come back to their safe space to complain about how brainbroke people are for not hating them.

I think 40k is the only game where there are people who spend at least five to ten times as many posts defending their lovely game in threads that don't like it compared to their actual posting about playing the game itself. Even 5th edition D&D defenders mostly spend their time actually talking about playing. Liquid Communism do you even play 40k? Cause it feels like you don't given that you seem to exclusively post about in the context of telling the Death Thread that it's wrong?

# ¿ Apr 28, 2017 03:39

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Hamshot a man who aspires to one day play 40k. Truly a sad fate.

# ¿ Apr 28, 2017 03:48

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You know saying that, Magic is still growing. There is no incentive to change to a LCG.

# ¿ Apr 29, 2017 14:06

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Lord_Hambrose posted:

https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36971/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-fall-2016

Age of Sigmar is still the 4th biggest game, and only X-Wing and Warmachine are owned by another company. Even as bad as Age of Sigmar is, even games I think are great like Infinity and KoW can't beat it.

Most gaming companies are insects to GW.

If you take ICV2 as representative, which has already been pointed out to be flawed but not necessarily completely unworkable, you actually come to a different realization. In both war games and table top rpgs an even moderately well designed official starwars game will crush literally any other game on the market, bar sometimes mainline D&D. Which kinda puts GW as just being a moderately sized fish in a very tiny pond, given that a licensed product consistently outperforms it.

Chill la Chill posted:

ICv2 was always bad and I remember some talk about their methodology in one of the old grognards.txt threads. They're all surveys and zealous LGSs that have agendas to push like the early pathfinder days.

I never quite got this argument because according to ICV2 Pathfinder only outsold 4th edition once Essentials came out which makes a huge amount of sense given that Essentials was a purposeful ruining of 4th edition D&D. I really doubt there was a pro-Pathfinder conspiracy except perhaps perpetrated by Mearls.

Terrible Opinions fucked around with this message at 03:58 on May 4, 2017

# ¿ May 4, 2017 03:52

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You missed the point entirely. Warhammer (which I should have specified to be 40k) isn't just played as a tournement game. Narrative games and campaigns are extremely popular, and are this most common way to play in an organized format. In these formats, it places more emphasis on fun then wining, and the tiers lists mostly disappear. Not everyone hounds Tournement reporters for lists so they can try them on Saturday. It sad that Warmahoards fosters such a system.

# ¿ May 7, 2017 13:34

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Soulfucker posted:

Dakka?

4chan/tg

Hixson posted:

What do you have against people playing games they like to have fun?

Nothing, but if their fun is playing Budsy 3D and then insisting that I play as well, and that glitches don't matter because it's still FUN, I am under no obligation to humor them.

# ¿ May 7, 2017 17:10

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Milky Moor posted:

Why is GW marketing someone's conversions??

What thread earned you that red text? Thin skinned 40k fans or something else?

# ¿ May 18, 2017 02:58

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Milky Moor posted:

Andromeda fans.

And now Mass Effect is dead.

My soul hoped you mean fans of the Kevin Sorbo sci-fi show, but then I read the second line.

Bioware is bad.

# ¿ May 18, 2017 04:00

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TheChirurgeon posted:

I have no idea. Though it's not as though $50-60 is well above market value for full-color hardcover nerdgame rulebooks with 100+ pages. I don't think GW is significantly overcharging for those comparatively, they should just do softcover because it's cheaper and easier to transport

Making their rule books full color hardbacks is a part of the problem with them.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 23:29

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Atlas Hugged posted:

Mantic is apparently doing really well with its licensed Walking Dead game.

They're doing well but if your standards for success are high enough to declare PP a failure then it's still not well enough.

# ¿ Jun 3, 2017 13:32

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Atlas Hugged posted:

I've never called PP a failure.

No but Corrode did.

# ¿ Jun 3, 2017 13:42

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# ¿ May 5, 2024 04:48

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Okay I misunderstood.

# ¿ Jun 3, 2017 13:50

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