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Why is diversity only ever measured as black (maybe Hispanic or Native American thrown in once in a while) vs white dominance? Why are Asian and Pacific Islander groups always left out? When I think about the people I work with or spend time with, there are a lot of folks in those specific groups (both blue and white collar) who never seem to count when it comes to issues of racial disparity. Why is that?
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anthonypants posted:This is a really great example of exactly how subtle it is up here. gently caress off with the insinuations. People here complained about the inability to openly talk about race, and the moment the experiences of another group were asked about, you open with this? Come on. I just think it's crap that folks like you seem to completely ignore and erase the experiences of major minority groups in the PNW by completely ignoring their existence. Relevant Tangent posted:Slavery, mostly. We didn't fight a war over the right to keep Samoans enslaved. Yeah, I mean who gives a poo poo about the railroads or internment camps, right? I'm sure there's a great deal more but like I said, these experiences aren't really being discussed. Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Jan 4, 2017 |
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Relevant Tangent posted:If you want to talk about internment camps, feel free. Or we could talk about reservations, sovereignty, whatever. Nobody is stopping you at all, but concern trolling with 'Why do we always talk about this minority instead of this other minority' (without, let it be noted talking about the other minority beyond using them as a convenient way to stop the current conversation) is weak sauce. I'm not concern trolling, and I'm not interested in stopping the current conversation either. Just because I decided not to have another three paragraphs qualifying my whole belief structure, the existence of cis/white/male privilege and so on doesn't mean I don't understand or acknowledge it. I'm not trying to shut anything down, I'm trying to be more inclusive. Maybe it wasn't worded well, but the racial conflicts we have in the PNW are much more complex than many are willing to acknowledge. The fact is that I don't have a great deal to say I the issue specifically because it's never discussed. I can't think of a single time Asian/Pacific Islander issues were mentioned in the last thread. If that's simply personal ignorance then so be it but I think that's better than pretending it doesn't exist at all.
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Jan 4, 2017 14:41
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therobit posted:How about you don't bitch about it until you can say something about it then? I believe that pointing out erasure is important. I'm not expecting people to do my work for me or educate me. I just took a hard look around my workplace and circle of friends and was really embarrassed to find that their stories aren't being told. Even then, I'm certainly not the right person to be telling those stories. These aren't my experiences to tell. anthonypants posted:Ah, you were serious. Thank you, that makes a good deal of sense to me.
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coyo7e posted:Donuts are bad. Deep fried sugar is bad for you and it doesn't really taste very good either Yeah, not so sure about the second part there.
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Jan 9, 2017 15:04
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Error 404 posted:I dont have a ton of details. But it was an antifa medic that got shot, by one of the milo y supporters who "managed to get away" in the middle of 300 cops. KUOW reported this morning that the shooter turned himself into police and he's in custody.
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Jan 21, 2017 17:17
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Shiroc posted:Having grown up in Cleveland, the idea that any part of modern Seattle/Greater Puget Sound being an ultra dangerous, crime-ridden place that decent people need to hide away from is absurd. It's funny, people say the same thing about most of Snohomish county. It's pretty obnoxious to be honest.
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Mar 13, 2017 13:26
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The Oldest Man posted:Seattle Times op ed page with this thought provoking hot take that maybe home prices would drop if we just stopped building homes: What's even worse are the lefties screaming about tech bros and developer profits and using that to advocate against any development what so ever. Guess what folks? It's not those who are new to the area who voted for bad housing policy over the past several years.
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Apr 2, 2017 17:51
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Senor P. posted:The housing crisis is not going away. Even if new homes are built. The solution is the one thing nobody wants to talk about. Too much demand. If you have a 10 foot hole and only put 5 feet of dirt into it you're not going to fill it. I really get sick and tired of people saying, "Oh look, we allowed one new building but prices are going up, I guess building more housing isn't the answer after all!" Actually build real density. Freakazoid_ posted:Rent control is increasingly sounding like the only option left. Sure, lets have a limit on yearly increases and what not but like I said before, 5 feet of dirt in a 10 foot hole isn't going to fill it. I also really like the vacancy tax and other ways to improve access to mass transit.
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Apr 3, 2017 05:34
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Aren't state income taxes deductible with respect to federal taxes anyway? I know it's not a one to one exchange, but I certainly wouldn't mind what amounts to some of our federal funding staying home. The improvement in our insanely regressive taxes would also be a huge relief to many as well. And besides, diversifying sources of revenue makes it more stable in general. That being said, I think Senior P makes a rather interesting point. If you're working insane hours or in labor intensive positions, it really takes a toll. I can certainly see how the basic costs go up when you have little time or energy from having worked so hard. I'm not sure how to translate that into a meaningful legislative solution, but I think folks are being awfully reactionary to just call it "FYGM".
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Apr 7, 2017 23:05
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twodot posted:If you're working long hours it's either because 1) You want to work long hours or 2) You need to work long hours to live. People who 1) perhaps need therapy, but I don't see why they deserve a tax break and people who 2) should fall below whatever minimum income is for our state income tax, and therefore not be concerned about how overtime is taxed. Uh, dude, seriously? How can you not realize that there are folks who are on the regular told to work OT without a choice?
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Apr 7, 2017 23:31
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twodot posted:Those people are either working for a living in which case they won't be taxed by any proposed Washington state income tax, or can afford to quit. Uh, you can be working insane hours while being salaried at 60k. And just walk off the job? Most people in this country are living paycheck to paycheck as it is, so how can you consider this a realistic option for so many? Ardlen posted:This is the exact problem that unions are meant to address. No poo poo my friend, but good luck setting one up or not being excluded because your job as an analyst "advises management" and is thus exempt from the bargaining unit. I've actually tried this by the way, it's incredibly difficult and relies on all of your coworkers being willing to take a huge risk and not fall prey to the massive anti-union campaign to follow. I don't want to get into my own details, but I really wish folks here would shut up and listen to the people who actually experience these working conditions rather than telling them that their experiences are wrong. Also, many of you seem to have forgotten that I am in favor of an income tax.
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Apr 8, 2017 01:30
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BrandorKP posted:Some industries go through demand cycles. That's a real bitch to staff for in the long term. In bad times I do 60 to 80 hours a week. Good times like 30. As long as one gets the good and bad its ok. But the new trend is oh it's slow we are flying you to X for several weeks. No, they fire massive amounts of people while buying back billions of dollars in stock instead of having 30 hour weeks.
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Apr 8, 2017 02:34
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Peachfart posted:I just wonder about the lack of heart someone must have to panic and have a breakdown because an income tax that only affects a small percentage of income over 50k is suggested, and to use part of it to lower sales taxes to assist the poor. Quit being so simplistic. I'm already in favor of such a plan and yet folks like you, twodot and Anthony can't loving wrap your head around the fact that this issue is much more complicated. You're more interested in cheap burns then actual discussion.
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Apr 8, 2017 15:01
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Peachfart posted:Please explain why this is complicated. Since you are interested in actual discussion. Did you not see the long post I made yesterday where I talked about the additional cost of being made to work long hours while admitting that it would be difficult to legislate properly?
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Apr 8, 2017 22:55
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ElCondemn posted:Your concerns aren't realistic, if the idea is to impose an income tax on those earning over 50k it doesn't matter how hard it was to earn. Just because it was really hard work to earn 60k doesn't mean you should be exempt from taxes. Feel free to earn less money if you don't want to pay the tax, but I assure you that won't happen. Funny, I was pretty loving clear about how unrealistic it would be to implement yet folks keep skipping that part of the post.
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Apr 9, 2017 03:12
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anthonypants posted:There's apparently a group of Seattle police who stream Destiny on Twitch http://www.geekwire.com/2017/now-streaming-twitch-seattle-police-blast-aliens-take-questions-playing-games/ I'm listening to this episode right now. The concept sounds really silly, but it's pretty informative. There's a great discussion about open data and bias/hate crime early on for instance. I know it's not going to address the huge issues by itself, but when I think about creative community policing, this fits well within that portfolio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6tQtVw3WTk
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Apr 18, 2017 21:18
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coyo7e posted:Ahh, to the solution to people lying cheating and stealing is to give them more money. Why isn't it like that in any other industry, then? The solution to cheating and stealing is to ensure that people have enough money not to need to do so. Dude, look at the stats between Costco (who pays well) and Sam's Club (that doesn't). Money isn't the only factor but all things being equal you're going to end up with better employees if you pay them more. No, it's not going to stop police corruption or people of color being murdered in the streets, but you aren't going to get there paying them minimum wage either. It's required but not sufficient for having a good police force. That goes for any other employee in any other industry.
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May 17, 2017 01:09
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DevNull posted:No one said this. We said that they are a state tool that protects the wealth of the ruling class and can't be reformed. They commit violence to uphold the hierarchies of society. We aim to abolish those hierarchies, so the police are a violent force against that goal. And yet you and others are busy making GBS threads all over someone who's actually trying to do the hard work of governing to make lasting change.
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May 23, 2017 12:52
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DevNull posted:We are actually the ones doing the hard work to make lasting change. I have met some of the other people in this thread, and seen them out actually doing poo poo. None of those people are defending the cops.[/url] And yet you think your issues with the police are so trivial that you have the luxury of forming a circular firing squad? That's loving stupid. quote:Keep in mind that Erica also spend the last year complaining about bernie bros. She is consistently attacking anyone the is even slightly to the left of the democratic party. If you have the D next to your name, you can actually be a horrendous piece of poo poo, i.e. Tim Burgess. Liberals in the city have never attacked him in the way they have attacked Kshama. Maybe Sawant shouldn't have tried to speak for Boeing machinists and engineers when she doesn't know the first thing about what they do or how their business works.
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May 23, 2017 16:38
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DevNull posted:Dude, you think the solution to state oppression by the police is watching a Destiny steam with a bunch of cops. Quote where I said that a Destiny stream was the complete and total solution of cops murdering people of color. Again, it's baffling to me that you think we have the luxury of a circular firing squad when it comes to these issues. Teabag Dome Scandal posted:lol I love that this still comes up DrNutt posted:All of those idiot white men probably already hate her for not allowing a third giant sports arena in SODO. Even some liberal leaning friends of mine (including a Boeing mechanic!) hate pretty much any of the people (women) who stood in the way of getting a basketball team back. loving morons. I don't understand why it's so hard for folks to understand that you don't speak on behalf of people you don't represent. That's rule one of being a good ally - you don't speak over people and you don't speak for people when you clearly don't understand what's going on. It doesn't matter if you're talking about civil rights, labor rights, tax policy or whatever. Sawant is just fine when she's talking about the minimum wage increases or support for the homeless but not when she's telling mechanics and engineers to just make planes on our own or convert the factory to making buses. And I get that nuance is difficult for you guys, but you can criticize her for that, support her for increasing the minimum wage or supporting the homeless and decry rear end in a top hat misogynists all at the same time.
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May 23, 2017 20:05
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:I love that just mentioning it got an immediate meltdown. You can't roll your eyes hard enough at people who can only pull this out of their pocket as some sort of legitimate critique of her and it happens every loving time. Trying to co-opt being an ally is pretty new and pretty gross though. Engineers are truly the most oppressed class. So pointing out that she said a dumb thing, was great in other areas and didn't deserve the misogynistic rants thrown at her over the stadium now classifies as "having a meltdown"? Had she bothered to actual speak to someone who turns a wrench on an airplane, she'd learn very quickly that there are little things called "production certificates" that would kill any plan she had. The only co-opting in this situation was on her, not anyone else. anthonypants posted:Did she really tell them to turn their swords into ploughshares? Here's the quote for you (the rest of the conclusions by Yglesias are poo poo because he doesn't understand aerospace either). quote:“The only response we can have if Boeing executives do not agree to keep the plant here is for the machinists to say the machines are here, the workers are here, we will do the job, we don't need the executives. The executives don’t do the work, the machinists do,” she said. So not only does she not understand that the main product out of the factories in Everett and Renton are civilian aircraft, she also doesn't understand the aerospace is a highly regulated industry and the minute the workers just "take over" (somehow after subduing the armed guards I guess?) the FAA would pull their production certificates and you wouldn't be able to build or sell any aircraft. Any employee would be able to tell you this.
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May 23, 2017 21:37
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:Ongoing meltdown at this point. But please continue bringing it up in the future as a betrayal of potential allies. Screaming about meltdowns isn't going to help the loving cause my friend.
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May 24, 2017 01:29
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Peachfart posted:Of course he is on the side of the shareholders. Boeing is run terribly and the management is dysfunctional as hell, according to my brother. Don't forget spending $12+ billion on loving stock buybacks.
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May 25, 2017 11:18
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ElCondemn posted:Who attacked you? Who is attacking the left at all? What about a socialist platform is so unreasonable to the "regular left"? Are you sure you don't mean the "right" when you say "regular left"? I'm not really sure how you expect liberal/progressive socialist programs will magic into existence if people like you keep shooting them down as unrealistic. Come on, the last few pages have been nothing more than a giant, circular firing squad. We have people seriously talking about full blown revolution while making GBS threads on those who are actually in the government actively working to make things better. Why are folks so concerned about trying to score rhetorical points and verbally burn people who likely agree on 99% of poo poo to begin with? What does that loving accomplish?
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May 31, 2017 20:54
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ElCondemn posted:Maybe you're reading something I'm not? I'm not sure what "firing squad" you're talking about. Be explicit, cite examples, I honestly am not sure who you think is being attacked. In the last several pages there were folks who believed that anyone who wanted decent wages to be maintained for police were a traitor to the cause, RuanGacho in particular was poo poo on for trying to talk about community policing where he works. Then we had others who screamed about meltdowns when I pointed out the Sawant was an imperfect actor and advocated that unionized blue color labor needs to revolt against their employers and armed guards and unionized white color labor should be left to the wolves. We get it, lots of you think Everett is a complete shithole filled with rednecks and 4x4 trucks but maybe if you got to know a few of these folks you'd realize it's a lot more diverse than it first appears and you could gain a whole lot of needed support. I mean come on, we're all leftists here. Not everyone is going to be living in downtown Seattle or Portland, but that doesn't mean they don't hold leftist views.
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Error 404 posted:That's where you're wrong kiddo. I'm totally down with punching Nazis, so where are we disagreeing again?
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May 31, 2017 23:07
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ElCondemn posted:Got it, you think pointing out the atrocities of cops is being poo poo on? Nobody poo poo on RuanGacho, they were responding to his questions and explaining the situation. No, dipshit. I'm recognizing that cutting police wages to federal minimums won't stop them from murdering people of color. Several people poo poo all over RuanGacho because he dared to claim that he was making things better. Putting words into my mouth and engaging in strawman fallacies is exactly the sort of circular firing squad I'm talking about here. quote:Have you considered that you're wrong about Sawant? Maybe she doesn't know exactly how to deal with the situation at Boeing but the sentiment of workers taking production into their own hands seems perfectly fine to me. The alternative is more of what's happening right now, the dissolution of unions and movement of skilled jobs to areas that are less impacted by workers rights. But hey, I wouldn't want you to take this as an ATTACK, because that's surely the real problem. All she loving had to do is talk to one of us. But no, she couldn't bother to even do that before using us as props. She couldn't be bothered to meet members of the largest unions in the PNW. By the way, there are plenty of other alternatives but folks like you aren't willing to discuss them and just want to chase off those who do. And how many times are you and others going to say "take the means of production" without telling us how? "Just rise up and take the means of production!" I already told you that the guards are armed, and that we can't just keep producing planes that the FAA will certify on our own. You think this is some trivial exercise that has no real risk. My wife would be dead without my healthcare, so if you think I'm being lovely for acting like an adult you can go gently caress yourself. What's your answer? quote:Maybe we're not "all leftists here", because your point of view is not shared by all, certainly not if you look at the voting record in the "leftist" areas you think are being excluded. You are arguing for the status quo, pretending like we'll achieve our goals by just holding out a little longer is bullshit. The greater Everett area is solid blue so you're making poo poo up there. You can't be bothered to quote me once "arguing for the status quo", so you're making poo poo up there as well. Let me know you want to discuss this in good faith.
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coyo7e posted:Attempting to stand on a hill and declaim all others as trying to score rhetorical points is pretty loving hypocritical, dude Again, you won't actually respond to the points I'm making.
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Jun 1, 2017 01:51
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ElCondemn posted:You strike. You aren't trying to help me. All you've done is put words in my mouth and tell me to rise up or strike with no sense of how that's actually accomplished. You seem to care more about me believing in some ideology over actually accomplishing anything useful. Socialism sounds great, but I think it's reasonable to say that I'm not going to accomplish it on my own. I've done the union organizing thing before at a previous job and I sucked at it, so quit acting like I'm some stranger to this. My coworkers were mostly H-1B visa holders who were living in apartments owned by the employer, and he frequently fired people for arbitrary reasons. I understand what bargaining units are and how this poo poo works and the answers you demand are a bit too personal so just trust me when I say "I can't strike". And no, I'm not management. Also, the last time there was a union action, the vote failed by a margin of 3 to 1. But please, tell me more about how it's my fault that my wife got sick or how that means the by arguing against full revolution I'm instead arguing for the status quo. That's really helpful. quote:Now you're really full of poo poo, Snohomish county is barely blue, look up the voting history and compare that to other counties that are actually "solid blue". I'm sorry that every precinct can't be as blue as Capitol Hill, but we're loving trying to move the needle. making GBS threads all over my home because we're only "barely blue" (whatever the gently caress that means) isn't helpful. quote:You're the one making up poo poo about strawmen and firing squads, use your words and tell us what you think the solution is. I think the solution starts with folks actually listening to each other rather than trying to score cheap burns. I don't give a poo poo about feelings, I give a shot about finding solutions, and there aren't any solutions to be found in cheap one liners and logical fallacies.
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Jun 1, 2017 02:27
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DevNull posted:No, we just get a little upset after a neo-nazi murders two people and a bunch of liberals are more concerned with "hearing both sides" Yes, because if you don't express your thoughts and prayers in a way that DevNull approves of it's the same thing as wanting to give neo-nazis a seat at the table. Yeah, this is totally a legitimate thing to say.
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Jun 1, 2017 13:16
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George posted:This thread is super ridiculous lately. Folks are being competitive and hostile when they'd have got better results being explanatory. Nobody wants to say they misread each other's intentions, so they're spiraling tighter toward the parts they disagree on trying to demonstrate how those parts demonize the whole. This isn't an unreasonable view.
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DevNull posted:It is hostility toward the jackasses that act like they are the only people being reasonable. Yet you can't even be bothered to say why someone is acting like a jackass. You just declare it by fiat and continue refusing to discuss any of the issues being brought up, just like George pointed out. anthonypants posted:More of concern is the drive-by posters who see a bunch of unread posts and check out the thread, only to throw their hands up at reading all those words and decide they must've been called a Nazi in there somewhere. Hmm... DevNull posted:No, we just get a little upset after a neo-nazi murders two people and a bunch of liberals are more concerned with "hearing both sides" It's pretty loving clear that DevNull is conflating my call for people in this thread to take a moment and listen to each other with a more general "hearing both sides" that somehow includes neo-nazi murderers. What part isn't clear to you? Why do so many presume the worst in others rather than just asking for clarification?
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coyo7e posted:I'm down with legal, codified fat shaming, but then we need to be consistent with applying it to every junk food and fat food company's products. Which would probably destroy a good chunk of the economy and also not work. Yeah, I think it's pretty lovely to make fun of people for being poor or not otherwise meeting your standards for sexual attractiveness.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:48
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George posted:Man I heard a Murray supporter on KUOW when the news broke go on about the difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia and wanted to call in to scream at them. loving gross.
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anthonypants posted:I can't seriously be the only person who's wanted to merge onto a highway, and be forced to slow way the gently caress down because some idiot in the right lane won't merge to their left, despite having ample time and space to do so. I'll do you one better - I keep running into folks ahead of me who will refuse to accelerate to a normal freeway speed while using the on ramp. I'm talking speeds of around 35-40 when I-5 traffic is going 60+. Javid posted:How dare you impugn the divine right to drive 20 over in the left lane without ever having to slow down for someone driving a mere 10 over. I just move to the right for those folks. Having received a phone call a few months ago from my dad to get to the hospital before my mother passed away, I don't really judge folks who are in a hurry.
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Steve Jorbs posted:If we're going to suggest excessive left lane camping as the norm I propose we also scrap the light rail construction and just build more roads and freeways. Left lane campers do cause a great deal of congestion, and also cause road rage. It's also the largest single compliant the state patrol receives. It is the norm, even if you don't see it.
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anthonypants posted:What would that complaint look like? "Someone is going too slow in the fast lane"? Not sure to be honest, I presume it's calls along the lines of "This rear end in a top hat isn't passing anyone and refuses to move right to let others by". I've just heard this repeatedly from WST folks during interviews on this issue. ElCondemn posted:So advocating for more police enforcement before your "better merging lanes" fix is doing what? Also telling people the law as it is doesn't address the problem either. Maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension, I'm saying you aren't offering solutions, all you're doing is telling people how they're wrong and "here's why". You realize that police don't design or pave roads, right? Also, one of the big problems is that lots of folks don't even realize that it is the law in the first place. I always hear about people who are absolutely shocked that they need to move right to allow others to pass, despite the numerous signs on I-5 and elsewhere.
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