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Tacoma is a place that seems to be, for lack of better words, more integrated and less racist. Probably because the economy here is less tech focused than big brother Seattle, and economically depressed areas tend to be more diverse. But it is kind of nice that we've kind of got our own little niche here that works. Well, except for the continued rise in rent prices and other associated costs of living. I'm sure in 5-10 years we'll probably just be Seattle-lite.
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coyo7e posted:Yeah the same can be said of most of the PNW as long as you're white, or if you marry a white person and assimilate into your local community via cooking parties and the like.. I grew up listening to beaner jokes and occasionally at parties at our house involving a bunch of his coworkers, my dad would step in and say, "hey that includes my wife, can you stop with the beaner jokes" but mainly the status quo for racist jokes and anecdotes in the PNW seems to be, "well you look white so let's talk nitty-gritty! And since you don't care - then it's all fair game!" The only places I've seen that be true in the last ten years has been in godforsaken shitholes like Forks or Vancouver or places that strongly identify as 'rural' even though they are decidedly not. Within city limits where there exist people of color in actual quantity things are a lot different, at least in my personal experience, which includes honest-to-goodness diverse friend groups and not just light skinned non-threatening blacks or whatever. Like when your actual population consists of people of color no poo poo there's going to be less racism. You can argue that racism becomes more implicit and less explicit but I think in general it's still miles better than Port "whitest city in America" Land or Sea "tech bro central" ttle.
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Jan 2, 2017 03:42
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coyo7e posted:Okay, then how many dinner parties full of 40-70 year-old white professionals, have you attended in the last 20 years in the PNW? And I'm not talking about "goon-fest full of white people with a few goons who we knew before we knew what color they are," I'm talking "my coworkers and I all came to a party and we got to hear the water-sprinkler joke again." 40-70 white professionals are a dying breed as we descend into the hellscape of the near future. Most of the people I know are working class people, or college educated folks around 35 or younger who commute to work in Seattle. There are several people of color in my immediate friend group. And why is it important to throw in the last 20 years, or even the last 10? poo poo, 10 years ago gay marriage wasn't even a politically viable opinion. Things change pretty fast. I am not arguing that the PNW in general doesn't have problems with racism. I am pointing out that in places where there is more integration there is less visible racism (gee no poo poo). I'm not really sure how that's a controversial opinion. Like, here's an example for you. My 35 year old BLACK FRIEND hosts his birthday party. A bunch of his friends are WHITE HIPSTERS. Someone makes an insensitive poorly themed joke. That person is immediately called out and learns from the experience (or at least pretends to anyway).
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Jan 2, 2017 05:20
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xrunner posted:"People are talking about racism and race related issues. I better go tell them how not racist I am and how much more enlightened the place I live is." How is this helpful beyond just sweeping the issue under the rug while standing secure in your sense of progressive enlightenment. I have spent no time in Tacoma so maybe it is more socially developed than the larger cities to its north and south. Waiting for aging racists to die off doesn't strike me as the most effective strategy. A colleague of mine - late twenties, college educated, generally nice guy - lives out in Sherwood (far edge of Portland metro area to the southwest) and told me a while back that he feels like a racist whenever black people come into his area because he never sees them there and can't help but glance/people watch. I remember doing the same thing in small town Montana as a teenager, and can you imagine how creepy and unsettling that must be for the person being eyeballed? Further, how should we take his admittance of embarrassment? Is it something that is fine to take at face value or should we question what other opinions/views/prejudices he's hiding beneath his outwardly progressive appearance. I didn't mean it to come off that way, I just think it's interesting how you can have areas that superficially seem very similar but can be drastically different that are maybe only a 30 minute drive apart. And I think the tech bro culture and vastly increased cost of living of the Seattle area have a lot to do with that. It's also funny because a lot of people in nicer (whiter) areas look down on Tacoma as being trashy and full of crime... Which hasn't really been true for like 20 years. But there are still more black people here, so they must be criminals!
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Jan 2, 2017 07:58
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Jesus Christ. My Facebook feed right now is basically a who's who of white privileged assholes bitching about the new car tabs paying for the "bum trolleys" and surmising that only poor people voted for ST3. gently caress these assholes.
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Feb 25, 2017 19:27
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There was at least one person bitching about how much the tabs on his Maserati were going to cost, and another who bemoaned that "none of those dollars will even go to find roadway expansion!"  Also most of these people have made the conscious decision to leave well outside anywhere with decent public transportation so as to have a) massive McMansions in sheltered "communities" and b) zero contact with the browns and/or poors. I don't want to unfriend them because I find their white tears delicious.
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Feb 25, 2017 23:59
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:lol I love that this still comes up All of those idiot white men probably already hate her for not allowing a third giant sports arena in SODO. Even some liberal leaning friends of mine (including a Boeing mechanic!) hate pretty much any of the people (women) who stood in the way of getting a basketball team back. loving morons.
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May 23, 2017 19:33
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BrandorKP posted:Whole gently caress load of maritime money / the port didn't want that stadium there either. It was never going to happen. Try telling that to the idiots that prioritize having a basketball team over everything else.
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May 25, 2017 18:49
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SyHopeful posted:Here, enjoy an Oregon Rolling Roadblock. If any post ever needed a trigger warning, it's this one. I just felt my blood pressure spike looking at this poo poo.
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Jun 21, 2017 17:48
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anthonypants posted:If you would like to smash the windows of an expensive car that belongs to a couple of shithead kids, there's a chance that is totally legal FYI this is still sadly illegal in Washington State, only first responders are allowed to make that call. It's pretty terrible because dogs and cats are definitely going to die, it happens every loving summer and I can't understand how people aren't more aware at this point.
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Jun 27, 2017 03:58
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Cicero posted:It's possible to rely on immigration to some extent now, but birthrates are dropping rapidly in developing countries (which itself is good), so that isn't a panacea. There are still way too loving many people in the world as it is. The resource wars when climate change really hits the fan in 30-50 years are going to be really fun for all those kids you people keep having.
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Jul 7, 2017 16:50
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Why do we need to replace the humans we have now? Even the current number of people on Earth is unsustainable given our climate reality.
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Jul 7, 2017 17:04
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HEY NONG MAN posted:You realize that babies become children and children become adults, yeah? You also realize that you too were once a baby? And? None of us had a choice in the matter. It doesn't mean we can't recognize that it might be a mistake at this point.
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Jul 7, 2017 17:07
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I am definitely for parental leave, I just wish people would admit it's typically an emotional and selfish decision, and not act like they're making this noble sacrifice for the species. By all means, if one of your children manages to create some sort of magical solution to climate change and save the human race from itself, I'll be happy to eat my words.
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Jul 7, 2017 17:19
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Cicero posted:I never suggested that people are intentionally doing it in order to be self-sacrificing. I'm suggesting that's what it amounts to, though. Think about it: it takes a TON of time, energy, and money, with a minimum 18-year commitment, and doesn't really leave you better off, even emotionally, than if you didn't have kids. From a homo economicus standpoint, the parents clearly aren't the beneficiaries in this decision. But who does benefit? The wider society. The wider society benefits currently, but as I have repeatedly said, even our current population will be unsustainable in fifty years, and we will see millions and even billions die from starvation and conflict over basic resources. Unless you are ultra rich or powerful you are literally dooming your child to this fate. And even then, being rich and powerful will only buy you a head start once society starts collapsing.
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Jul 7, 2017 17:28
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Peachfart posted:Gotta save this crazy post for later. The breeder mafia will want to handle this. Please explain to me what is crazy about my post.
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Jul 7, 2017 17:29
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ElCondemn posted:As a home owner I can say with certainty that anyone paying rent can afford a home, my mortgage is less than an equivalent rental would be. Even a one bedroom apartment would be affordable to most people who rent an equivalent space. The only thing stopping people is consistent financial history and several thousands of dollars of down payment.  Don't forget that things will eventually happen that you can't pester your landlord to fix, like say your side sewer collapses and you have to have it replaced to the tune of around 9000 dollars.
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Jul 7, 2017 17:35
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ElCondemn posted:Save future generations from suffering and kill yourself, it's the only noble thing to do. You wouldn't want to be here in 50 years anyway, it's too grim. Yeah well I have Type 1 Diabetes so I probably won't have to once medication like insulin is in short supply.
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Jul 7, 2017 17:38
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Cicero posted:So which resource are Malthusians saying we'll run out of this time? Food? Water? I guess we can see how chipper your kids are at responding to Dust Bowl 2: This Time at Peak Oil, or holy poo poo, millions of refugees fleeing from areas that have either become too flooded or too hot to be liveable. Because we're already doing a great job with all the humanitarian crises we're currently dealing with.
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Jul 7, 2017 17:46
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Cicero posted:I was pointing out that the US birthrate would be even further below replacement For a greater understanding of your point, do you mind sharing where this data is from? I did some searching myself but I found a lot of SCARY ARTICLES talking about decline of civilization but not a lot of cited research. I also found an article comparing the US to Japan which was incredibly laughable for what should be obvious reasons.
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Jul 7, 2017 18:55
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punk rebel ecks posted:Hi everybody. I don't mean to pry and by all means don't answer if you aren't comfortable, but do you have a job lined up? Do you have experience and education in a high demand field? If not, reconsider.
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Aug 1, 2017 07:13
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There was one by my college where some dude kept exposing himself, and one of the baristas just dumped scalding water on his junk (she was a college student). That was a fun story to edit in the student paper.
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Aug 19, 2017 09:01
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I used to have some contact with Pam Roach via lobbying for Planned Parenthood at the local and state levels, and let me tell you she is a complete piece of poo poo in just about every way imaginable. I hope she dies alone and sad and serves as carrion for various scavenging birds.
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Sep 4, 2017 07:34
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Solkanar512 posted:Got any good stories you want to share? I don't really want to get into specifics on here, but Planned Parenthood has a Teen Lobby Day every year, where their Community Educators and Public Affairs people team up to teach kids how to reach out to their elected officials and lobby for a piece of legislation that they've written. The year I worked with them it was a piece of legislation to ban BPA in baby bottles. Pam Roach made some pretty terrible insinuations about the lifestyles of those teens, and I'll leave it at that.
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Sep 4, 2017 20:30
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I thought the transplant hate was traditionally directed at Californians who were loving up our state en mass. I didn't realize there was any antipathy toward transplants in general.
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Oct 3, 2017 16:44
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Thanatosian posted:I don't see how you could miss it if you're in Seattle. People born in Washington are worse than vegan Crossfitters. I'm in Tacoma but I also have a pretty diverse group of friends, which includes people who have moved here from other parts of the country.
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Oct 3, 2017 20:02
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Can anyone who's on board with removing privately owned property/the rentier class point me in a good direction of some reading on how it could work, potentially? I'm all for doing away with scumbags who never have to work because they lucked into some capital and own property, but if we somehow did go "full communism now", how do we decide who gets to live where? There will still be more desirable places than others even if socialism can make everywhere equal in terms of access to education and other public services. Not an argumentative post, I'd just really like some reading recs on this, thanks. I've burned through a few books from D and D recommendations and really enjoyed them.
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Oct 9, 2017 17:58
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:Sorry, I'm not about to try to present arguments for a strawman. If you want to talk about vacancy taxes, municipal incentivizing/regulation of low income housing integration and development, or the propagation of tenant's rights I'm sure you'll get a lot more action. I'm not strawmanning. I'm just interested in reading about how you would prevent people from being stuck in shitholes in such a system. People are de facto stuck in shitholes in our current system, but people who have means can pretty much move wherever they want. I struggle with the idea that this can be solved under communism because people will still want to live in more desirable areas than less desirable areas. I'm looking for some perspective on how this can work. The Vienna pieces were interesting from a solving homelessness perspective, but it's still from a viewpoint of a rather limited geographical area.
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Oct 9, 2017 18:34
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:I know- I'm just saying that there are a myriad of progressive policies that should be discussed over the theoretical quagmire that is the abolishment of private property ownership. Sure, there is merit to the theory and a discussion of implementation tactics can be interesting but we're starting to get back into the "well, I know secession is unrealistic and nobody actually wants it but just for a moment let's discuss how it would happen" territory. Oh, ok. I really am just hoping for some reading recommendations though, not trying to drag this thread into a quagmire of bullshit.
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Oct 9, 2017 18:52
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Yeah, I'd like some more stuff, maybe longer than two short articles you can read in about ten minutes flat. Like, a book maybe? Maybe it's not a topic that's been explored that much, I don't know, that's why I asked for recommendations.
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Oct 9, 2017 20:07
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BrandorKP posted:Because it's not equal. And if they are regulated as being the equal one will often be advantaged over the other. Which one do you want more of? You seem to be implying that grandma shouldn't be required to provide regular maintenance and other things that are to be expected of property management for renters, which is hosed up and stupid. Who gives a poo poo if it's a poor grandma or a sleazy slumlord, when you can't take a shower/do dishes/use appliances in your apartment?
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Oct 9, 2017 20:10
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anthonypants posted:The mayor of Lakewood, Washington knew this was coming. http://komonews.com/news/local/lakewood-mayor-predicts-deadly-accidents-from-high-speed-train-service The mayor is talking about people being hit by trains, not derailments. He even recommends overpasses as an option to help keep pedestrians safe. What the gently caress were they thinking letting Amtrak run their trains even faster though? Seems like they deal with at least a minor derail every months.
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Dec 18, 2017 19:21
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Solkanar512 posted:They redid the tracks and tested for months with no problems, why don’t we wait for the NTSB reports instead of making things up like the local news? I'm not making poo poo up I'm paraphrasing what the mayor said in the article? The op of that article said that the mayor "predicted what happened" when it was clear he was talking about entirely different accidents. e: If you mean my second paragraph I'm not sure why you have an issue with that, their poo poo derails all the time. We have absolutely garbage train infrastructure in the United States.
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Dec 18, 2017 20:11
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Solkanar512 posted:It’s the second part. We don’t loving know anything and the main NTSB team isn’t even here so speculation is a really bad idea here. Hey when the NTSB report comes out and says this was a freak accident that couldn't have been foreseen or avoided in any way, I'll be happy to eat some crow. However, in the mean time, I think I feel okay speculating that the company that can't keep even their slow trains from flying off the tracks on a regular basis, in a country with the worst rail infrastructure in the entire loving developed world, maybe shouldn't have been given the green light on this. Also, I live here and have ridden that particular train from Seattle to Portland and back at least twenty times, so pardon me for reacting.
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Dec 18, 2017 20:54
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anthonypants posted:I'd be interested in hearing more about this. Not much to say really, I used to take the train down frequently on weekends to visit a girlfriend. That route was slower but it was still better than dealing with I5 traffic. I was stuck on the train once for like 5 hours though due to mudslides, and frequently got delayed by the trains having to defer to freight traffic. Just recently my girlfriend's niece rode the Cascade up to visit us and had to go back to Portland via bus because another mudslide had hosed up the tracks again.
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Dec 18, 2017 21:04
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http://knkx.org/post/amtrak-train-hurtles-overpass-wash-state-patrol-reports-three-fatalities This article from KNKX (formerly KPLU) says that the train was going about 81 mph when the derailment occurred, and that the maximum rated speed for that track was 79 mph.
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Dec 19, 2017 02:28
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Sure in a capitalist economy pretty much everything rises in price as time goes on but in this case it's because you demanded a living wage! Maybe we could just start pulling the wealthy from their homes and lighting them on fire in the streets? I dunno just spitballin' here.
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Jan 10, 2018 19:10
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Peachfart posted:Most Subway's are in the suburbs where there are grocery stores everywhere. You are talking out of your rear end. In my low income neighborhood assuming you're walking because you are a poor person without reliable transportation, your options are Subway or Safeway, and sure the Safeway sandwich will be better but it sure as gently caress won't be cheaper, especially if you add a side and a drink. Don't be a loving snob about cheap sandwiches. (I don't like Subway and don't go to Subway myself, but I also have a disposable income and a much better opportunity to be choosy than a lot of folks on my neighborhood).
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Jan 23, 2018 04:08
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Peachfart posted:From everything I can find, Subway subs and Safeway subs cost nearly the same amount. Also, saying that Subway is gross isn't attacking the poor, in the same way that saying the clothes at Old Navy are poor quality(they are). Nah, you're talking like 6-7 bucks at Subway and for an equivalent amount of food you're probably closer to ten. Not a deal breaker for most regular posters here but potentially a deal breaker for someone living in poverty. I fail to see the difference between mocking poor families for choosing Subway for a treat or choosing to buy clothes at Old Navy.
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Peachfart posted:Please go back in my posts and show me the part where I mocked the poor for Subway. I just said it was gross. You said that calling Subway gross isn't attacking the poor the same way saying that the clothes at Old Navy are poor quality is, and I was just pointing out that I don't see what the difference is.
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