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anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Old thread, closed by the OP on account of too much Debate and/or Discussion

This thread shall be a safe space for PNW-area Debate and Discussion, primarily focusing on political issues or whatever.

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anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

turn it up TURN ME ON posted:

Thanks for the new thread, OP.

Now on to the real questions that plague our region. Why does Oregon (and Portland specifically) have so many strip clubs?
Human trafficking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHVOROfd7Og

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
Unfortunately I don't have a great answer for the follow-up question, "Why does Oregon (and Portland specifically) have so much human trafficking?"

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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BrandorKP posted:

I've yet to see anyone polishing the confederate soldiers memorial to "get it ready for confederate day". I also have not seen any slave massacres re-enacted as southern cavalry driving off northern rapists.

It's even not the same planet as the south.

I've also seen nothing here that compares to things I saw in Chicago, Detroit, or Baltimore.
It was mentioned briefly but a few years back we had a cop in Portland who built a shrine dedicated to Nazis in a public park, and then when he was eventually removed he sued the city and won, and the mayor signed a letter of apology to him and officially had all mentions of wrongdoing removed from his record.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

turn it up TURN ME ON posted:

Woah really? Which episode of Portlandia talked about that.
Well, I don't own a television,

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
Also our weed is bad. Don't move to Portland http://katu.com/news/local/man-suffers-rare-flu-like-syndrome-from-smoking-medical-marijuana

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

BrandorKP posted:

Saint Simons has segregated graveyards. Savannah had a "black" hospital, memorial, and a "white" hospital, chandler. Up here it seems more to be lovely individuals as opposed to holy poo poo entrenched racist social structures. Also Oregon does seem to have more racists than Washington.
I'd say that racism in Oregon is more subtle, dog whistle-style racism. It seems like every few months there'll be an article about Confederate flags popping up, and if you spend enough time in Portland you'll see people with "Celtic" tattoos or trucks with Norse/Viking hammers or iron crosses or Nazi skulls. If you're not white you might be told there aren't any vacancies or jobs for you. Maybe if there were more black people up here we'd have a huge private prison industry and chaingangs on plantations and lynchings, but since Oregon refused entry to blacks for decades, we never really got the systemic groundwork of segregation that southern states did. But we still have kids who look like this and believe they're part of the master race.

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anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
Also we have homeless dying in the streets http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/01/hypothermia_kills_man_sleeping.html

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Solkanar512 posted:

Why is diversity only ever measured as black (maybe Hispanic or Native American thrown in once in a while) vs white dominance? Why are Asian and Pacific Islander groups always left out? When I think about the people I work with or spend time with, there are a lot of folks in those specific groups (both blue and white collar) who never seem to count when it comes to issues of racial disparity.

Why is that?
This is a really great example of exactly how subtle it is up here.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Solkanar512 posted:

gently caress off with the insinuations. People here complained about the inability to openly talk about race, and the moment the experiences of another group were asked about, you open with this? Come on.

I just think it's crap that folks like you seem to completely ignore and erase the experiences of major minority groups in the PNW by completely ignoring their existence.


Yeah, I mean who gives a poo poo about the railroads or internment camps, right? I'm sure there's a great deal more but like I said, these experiences aren't really being discussed.
Ah, you were serious.

The reason is that for the most part, asians and latinxs are "white". If you don't think that makes a difference, George Zimmerman is a good example in recent history.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Eimi posted:

In what ways does Portland lag behind in acceptance of trans people? I've always thought of the PNW as the closest to a left area in America, and I'm currently trying to save up to move there from the Midwest. I'm also trans so it's an issue I'd love to hear you take on. (Also your last statement had me giggle a bit, we are the T in LGBT)
I once heard from a trans goon in Portland that all the other trans people they knew were sex workers. I can tell you that TERFs are definitely a thing up here, but I don't think I know any trans* people. I think you might be better served asking these questions in one of the trans-specific threads, because I know there are Portland-area trans goons but I don't think they post in the regional threads.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Wiggy Marie posted:

I'm glad to read this because it wasn't good at all.
If you want to spend a lot of money on fancy donuts you should check out Blue Star. Here's an article about what it's like to work at Voodoo. Keep Portland Weird!

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

seiferguy posted:

I read the Stranger pretty frequently, and maybe it's just my white privilege, but what are some examples of him being racist? I can't find any. I remember he got in trouble a lot because he used some anti-trans language at one point, but he's apologized and owned up to it.
Here you go http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/black_homophobia

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
Four people have died of exposure in Portland this year.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
The old thread is open again, I guess?

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
I promise to never close this thread in a fit of rage :toxx:

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

turn it up TURN ME ON posted:

Your graphs are crap

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
Here's a Slate article about Oregon's institutionalized racism, but this time with our criminal justice system:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/01/oregon_has_one_of_the_worst_criminal_justice_systems_in_the_u_s.html

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
Someone firebombed a mosque in Bellevue this morning https://www.launchgood.com/project/rebuilding_of_islamic_center_of_eastside_washington/

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
The Portland Mercury interviewed a protest group and a counter-protest group who have plans for the inauguration downtown http://www.portlandmercury.com/news/2017/01/18/18802072/as-donald-trump-becomes-president-portlands-streets-will-be-chaotic

Absent from this article is any mention of Michael Strickland, the guy who pointed a gun at a crowd of protesters in downtown Portland like six months ago.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
The Million Women March protest seems to be primarily by and for white women, and leftists are desperately trying to drag liberals, kicking and screaming, into any mild understanding of intersectionality http://www.wweek.com/news/city/2017...ump-supporters/

Also, lol

glowing-fish posted:

I mean, if this thread was meant to prove that so-called Midwesterners were parochial, ignorant, small minded, petty people who are trapped in a little world of their own creation, it has succeeded.

I have lived on three continents. I know you might not believe this, but in terms of the world, the cultural, geographic and economic difference between New York and Ohio are really not as existential as you imagine.

The only way they became existential is because you people hijacked the United States by getting Donald Trump to represent your petty grievances. But even if he manages to reduce the world to rubble, the reason behind it is still petty and imaginary.

Enjoy Donald Trump. Enjoy your freeway interchanges. Enjoy your flat landscape. Enjoy your claustrophobically empty horizon and lack of natural barriers. Enjoy thinking that because you are shopping at Walmart you are backwoods pioneers. You've earned it.

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anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
The Portland police said the post-election protests were riots, and they were even milder than this.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
PSU/PCC walkouts happened earlier and maybe some of the high schools too

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

xrunner posted:

Ha. So the fire extinguisher dude got cold feet?
Apparently. Like the biker gangs in DC.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
Cops are taking away signs weapons from the protesters
https://twitter.com/itsmikebivins/status/822563610312450049
https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/822583244256378880

Also the Mercury is still garbage
https://twitter.com/portlandmercury/status/822582259538624522

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

xrunner posted:

Say what you will, it's a pretty funny caption.
Sometimes,


Just not when they're serious.https://twitter.com/ENBrown/status/822535666441613317

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
I heard someone got shot up in Seattle last night?

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Solkanar512 posted:

KUOW reported this morning that the shooter turned himself into police and he's in custody.
Looks like that's on the police blotter, and apparently people were throwing rocks and bricks at police.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

The Puppy Bowl posted:

Just arrived in Portland from the south earlier this year and it's certainly been eventful. A very small thing but I work for the city and during the recent inclement weather all city employees received an email about volunteering for shifts at the Portland Building since it was being opened up as a temporary homeless shelter. I thought this was really cool up until I saw how incredibly few shelters actually exist in this town. No loving duh there is a homeless problem, they have no where to go but the street.
Have you heard about Right 2 Dream Too yet?

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
Way back in the day, that location used to be an adult bookstore, but the city tore it down for code violations. The landowner decided that he could get back at the city by allowing homeless to camp there. Right 2 Dream Too was subsequently threatened with lawsuits from the city, and they told the city to gently caress off. Eventually the city relented. The city still wants them to leave because it's unsightly etc. (see also our attempts at a sit-lie ordinance) but they are doing an increasingly pisspoor job of actually finding a viable location. The first one that I'm aware of was under an overpass, but it was too close to the Pearl District (which, if you're unfamiliar with Portland, is the rich white snobbery part of the city) and some tenant association got hugely pissed off at the city so the city decided it couldn't be there. There've been a few other places, but they've never turned out for one reason or another. They've been at that spot on Burnside for around five years, and the city's still spending time and money vacillating over what they're going to do. In spite of everything, the city still believes that the camp needs to move.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

turn it up TURN ME ON posted:

Ah, so it's a homeless camp with a rich history of saying "gently caress you" to Portland. I can kind of get on board with that. FWIW it seems well run, and has never bothered me at all. That area is where Central Concern is and such anyway, so it's probably a reasonable location for people that need to be able to have services and food in walking distance. It'd be nice if it could be a proper shelter though, with room for way more people.

Is there any sort of organization that oversees it?
They're like a self-governing entity, and considering how much people don't hear about it, I'd say they do a good job.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
Allegedly this is the guy who got shot in Seattle https://www.youcaring.com/joshdukes-741490

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
https://twitter.com/tinysubversions/status/823046935074349056

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Doorknob Slobber posted:

and apparently the guy who shot him is claiming self defense and wasn't charged by the police?
Haven't heard that yet but I wouldn't be surprised

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Shifty Nipples posted:

I'm curious to know if they were taking canes from anyone, "sorry bud but we can't have you standing or walking."
What are you gonna do about it, sue them?

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
the phrase "tax expert" makes me think of like the mises institute

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

xrunner posted:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/01/complaints_about_police_tactic.html#incart_breaking

PPB showed up looking for a riot, and, when they didn't find one and failed to provoke one, they just took their frustration out on the crowd.
https://twitter.com/jmzebra/status/823039620262854656

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
Seattle Times has named the victim, but not the shooter, out of their respect for fascism. Remarkably, they also printed this:

quote:

His Seattle attorney, Sarah Lippek, confirmed his identity, although she said Dukes was concerned about his name being made public “as the risk of harassment and threats is very real, and my client needs time to rest and recover from his injuries.”

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anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Someone reportedly found this in Ashland https://twitter.com/RedConversation/status/823786561695166465

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