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coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
That's a bit of a stretch. The actual quote was that the fed will be looking into states which go against federal laws, and that because of the opioid epedemic among white people, they will be cracking down on recreational marijuana (although there was also some mumble mumble about how they totes think it's a legit medical drug).

So they're totally for states rights to individually decide to ban trans people from bathrooms, and totally against states' rights when the federal government's administration disagrees.

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coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

Lazy_Liberal posted:

I'm very nice and also very angery!!!!



hey at least u were smart enough to put on gloves

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
I have never in my life heard of a "car-tab", is this some sort of weird-rear end canadian slang? Normal people in every state I've ever lived in or visited call them "tags".

Hyrax Attack! posted:

(Cross posting from Seattle Regional thread):

Rep. Dave Reichert, who proudly wrote a book about his involvement in catching the Green River Killer (basically letting him roam free for 20 years until DNA testing came along), former president of WA State Sheriff's Association, and Air Force veteran, cited safety concerns in his refusal to meet with constituents. Instead he hosted a virtual town hall on FB, which is just as good.


http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/hundreds-protest-at-us-rep-reicherts-office-demand-town-hall-meeting/

This is in Issaquah! C'mon, the only danger would be from a mudslide.

(Sidenote: in checking Wikipedia his page has already been vandalized).
Hey, at least he didn't claim that he wouldn't hold a town hall because Gabby Giffords was shot by a crazy person

coyo7e fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Feb 25, 2017

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
I was gonna post this in "crazy political poo poo" but I figure someone in here may be able to actually school me on what the awful, awful gun-stealing law Brown passed two years ago was, that some mouthbreather "professional gamer" on facebook posted and then defended by cl;aiming that she was stealing his guns "over two years ago!!!"

I looked around for a good 20 minutes and all I could find was some story about a gun shop bitching that they may have to get a background check on people before they can be allowed to handle firearms in a gun store.



Internet - educate me!

Or am I right and this dude is just a gamergating #MRA trumper who thinks that pewdiepie was edgy and not "actually racist."

coyo7e fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Mar 1, 2017

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
holy poo poo, I clicked on that march 4 trump facebook thing and the first name I moused over lists himself as having attended "The Big Daddy School of Street Knowledge and Hard Knocks".

I'm not going anywhere near wherever these people congregate - they sound like school drop outs and violent criminals

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
I watched a live stream of the 'proud boys' in berkeley today and it was really interesting. White guys with 3' long 2" hardwood dowels and 4x6" flags taped to the dowel, 70 year old white guys in leather vests with straight up pieces of 2x4, white guys wearing motorcycle helmets and plywood shields and utililikilts..

When they backed off behind a concrete wall o stay on the high ground, one white guy with a top-knot pulled a knife (and eventually was escorted to his car).

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
I've seen a few people passing around a video of Lake Oswego's proud boys rally from yesterday, where one woman is surrounded by a bunch of them and just starts waving the bird.. Generally the people sharing this are saying "this is why you cannot reason with liberals" so that is a thing which happened. In the video though, at least half of the people surrounding the woman seem to also be known white supremacists. Mercury reports that the guy giving the heil hitler sign at the women was actually attempting to pray for and lay hands on her to heal her.

https://twitter.com/itsmikebivins/status/838132771943919616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bkerensa/sets/72157677526584674
(why the gently caress is there a guy in a coolie hat?)

https://medium.com/@bkerensa/lake-oswego-police-let-3-percenters-militia-assault-counter-protestors-96828fb09e88#.l141ywfmy

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
i used to thought that homeless people scaring me is ridiculous - but recently I smelled pee and now I stapled and anti-LTD sign to my forehead because maybe the states can stop allowing public transpo to take my parking lot

but seriously - is the library and peter defazio going to allow meth dealers to ride LTD after they took are land? this is a serious issue which has not been fully addressed

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

SeaborneClink posted:

Okay but do you wish LTD would lick your sweaty shaven nut-sack?

I think you're forgetting it's the EmX that stole are parking lot and forever turned West 11th into Satan's butthole as far as traffic is concerned.
eminent domain. we're creating jobs.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
Yup! I find it funny that some of them couldn't be proven to have been handling weapons..? Wha? They just showed up to fist-bump with all their whitebro friends who brought guns, yeah loving right - I know white guys who like guns, and those dudes would've been lent a firearm or laughed off the property.

Also uhh, Ryan? I think? Bundy has been shown to have contradicted himself under sworn testimony according to some other stories I saw today - about whether or not he'd planned to occupy the malheur facility before they just "spontaneously decided" to do so since they just happened to be chilling in eastern oregon in the dead of winter - as one is wont to do when he has a ranch in another state. This included some other testimonies that Bundy made everybody turn off their phones and laptops and leave them outside the room during the planning, "so nobody gets interrupted by ringtones" during the meeting which didn't happen, which didn't happen before the spontaneously decided to show up with guns and flags and MREs.

My favorite part was how Bundy claimed that "federal employees were free to come and continue to perform their jobs" while the place was occupied. :jerkbag:

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
Well I was about to go to bed but here's another thing:
http://koin.com/2017/03/09/hate-crime-suspect-arab-you-need-to-leave/

quote:

Kendall told the arresting officer he saw a “Saddam Hussein-looking guy” and believed a woman in the restaurant was a slave. Kendall told police he went into the restaurant to tell her she was “free to leave.”

Kendall also said he saw an “evil totem” with Arabic writing on it that he threw at the employee/victim. Kendall told police he thought the man had an ice pick hidden under a napkin so he defended himself by hitting the victim in the head with the pipe.

THIS prizewinner saw a "Saddam Hussein looking guy"

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

Relevant Tangent posted:

Kill all dudes with buzzcuts, God will know his own and that'll eliminate the majority of racists right there. Bad haircuts and racism go together much to well.
actually I thought it was funny that he basically has osama bin laden's beard, toss a turban and keffiyeh on that dude and you couldn't tell him from ISIS

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
I haven't really left lane county in a decade or more, but I would assert that every area here is becoming more diverse... Very slowly.

But the apartments along Gateway used to be like 99% poor white people and now it's actually a neighborhood.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
I mean I get out, I visit family, I travel out of state.. But I haven't been able to afford a road trip in ages. My last one was like 7+ years ago when my granfather passed away and I went to Nebraska. I wish that I had more opportunities to visit other states more often but seriously, when my rent is going up by 17% a year it's all I can do to afford to rent a home without a roommate.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
Don't worry, all the white people will just claim he was actually a leftist in drag, trying to torpedo Trump. Just like they did a day or so ago with that KKK flag on a building back east.

But I am disappointed in you apants, that story is like two weeks old almost now. You usually are the first on top of stuff.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
...ok?

still ten days+ old story though. It was pretty well-circulated that there were a bunch of legit, known nazis and kk and poo poo in that rally when it was still the "screaming girl" thing.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
sounds kind of like some sort of speech where you build up steam and wind up the crowd?

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
It's not as though there are hundreds if not thousands of years of combat training methods from various cultures, which might involve using hands, a stick, or a tazer, or hell even something as innocuous as steel bracelets, against a non-projectile weapon and/or unskilled opponent.

I mean when I see ads for police jobs in Eugene (or any related support positions) the standards are generally VERY low, and the pay is, frnakly, pretty damned high for my area. I recall seeing an LCS position which listed pay as 100-125k/yr. I've personally applied to more than a handful of office administrative, dispatcher, and various other positions for law enforcements orgs in lane county and the starting pay for even an unskilled paper filing position is like $21-25+/hr. And there aren't many $7k/month rentals around here.

I guess since I had to go to school and graduate and work for five to ten years to get up to close to 25/hr in my old career, it strikes me as inherently bad hiring practises and requirements, when the job also requires you not only dealing with angry "customers" but also requires you to pack a gun and fight with them on occasion.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

Peachfart posted:

It pays well because unions and


that.

You really don't want to live in a country where the police are paid poorly.
But I kinda do. You should become a cop because you want to do your civic duty to society. Not because it paid better than managing the local Denny's and also didn't require you to get a management degree.

And as for "dealing with angry customers with a weapon is the job," yes, exactly. In almost any job, when a customer is upset at you, you're supposed to de-escalate the situation and then possibly make them satisfied via some finagling, or just get them out of your store. You don't get to just declare them "resisting arrest" or "behaving menacingly" and summarily take away their freedom or life, and then rely on your union and upper management and co-workers to cover your fuckups and lies.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
Ahh, to the solution to people lying cheating and stealing is to give them more money. Why isn't it like that in any other industry, then?

And I mean let's be real, we've got plenty of dirty cops in the USA.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

anthonypants posted:

I give up, why isn't it like that in any other industry?
If we raise their paychecks, will priests molest less kids? Will HVAC techs stop off-gassing R-22 because it saves them needing to recover it in a safe manner?

Ther are a ton of jobs where people do all kinds of shady and illegal and immoral poo poo, and giving them more money doesn't really change the fact that some of them are gonna be fuckwads.. I mean in HVAC, it takes more training than a cop and you get paid around the same range however, you're also required to keep up certs because if you gently caress up working ona boiler you can LITERALLY destroy a building http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/killed-boiler-explosion-caught-camera-46562554

Priests and HVAC techs are in good "unions" which work to raise their wages and legal protections, and one even provides good lawyers too.

But if you're a cop, then you aren't really required to have any oversight except for, basically, your own word and the word of your coworkers.

My main point that nobody here seems to want to think about - is that a lot of people are always going to be greedy, or act lovely, no matter how much you give them for their wages. Give a cop 500k/yr? A certain not-insignificant portion of them will just buy an even bigger house and bigger boat and more beer and coke, and then end looming near bankruptcy and getting tempted and possibly acting on poo poo they ought not to be doing. There are a lot of laws against fraud and our president is nominally rich as gently caress, but do you hoenstly feel that giving him more money would make him less likely to overreach his own means and end up stuck in a sticky situation because he saw easy money and went for it?

coyo7e fucked around with this message at 07:20 on May 17, 2017

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
Instead of paying police more, the focus on what the police do and why, needs to be dealt with. Instead of giving them better perks and pay, give their departments more funding that's not based on numbers of arrests and tickets but rather based on stuff like the community's opinion of them, actual results in the community, and how many people they help out of crises situations rather than taking out of those situations forcefully and then uprooting their life because of it.

I talked with a really authoritarian conservative cop about this stuff for a good long while before and since he kept snidely asking me how I'd improve things, I'd give more funding to the departments as a whole for staffing and outreach, largely including unarmed officers whose primary responsibility is to do stuff like contact people who have warrants and offer them education about their situation, and options on how to peacefully resolve it without being immediately moved from their life. A lot of people with warrants have no idea they have them for instance, and they often have jobs or other responsibilities or difficulties which prevented them from "properly" responding. Since the police current MO for warrants is to bang on or bash in the door while armed and expecting trouble, a lot of people freak out and do stupid poo poo like jump out a window and get shot or charged with additional charges, or barricade themselves in, or attempt to dissuade the officers in a way which causes them to get injured or charged with even more things to ruin their life.

If a pair of unarmed folks drove up in a not-cop-car and knocked on someone's door and communicated with the suspect civilly and made it clear that they were not there to immediately arrest them, a lot of people would have the chance to do whatever needs to be done to address their charges without being perp-walked into courtroom, or shot. There needs to be infrastructure in place to deal with non-incarceration-based solutions to a huge number of nonviolent offenses, which can and do pile up on folks and lock them into a vicious cycle which ultimately leads to death, incarceration, and acculturation of the prison/anti-police mindset.

When the only time you see a cop coming toward you, you are afraid, that is problem number one. And it'd take a lot to change that for many communities and individuals, but I can't see how it would ultimately be worse than what we currently have going.

coyo7e fucked around with this message at 18:11 on May 19, 2017

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
Maybe this was when everything changed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mh8DPfc2KQ

Shifty Nipples posted:

I've been told that this incident "changed everything"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZg4mcYkIwU
I think that what changed everything, is that citizens started standing up and speaking out. Black Panthers, anti-war protests, etc, all were followed by the Kent State Shootings, so all of those anti-armed-black-people laws had a convenient screen to hide behind. Then we had cops startd getting caught for unethical behavior in places other than internal affairs big city drug stings and stuff. Basically, Rodney King was when it changed. OJ was when it changed, because the police began to both ramp up their ordinance and levels of aggression at the same time that they were being called out for generations of systemic abuses. Once they began to feel that they needed heavy weaponry AND that the public was against them, that should have been the point where effective management is supposed to step in and go, "whoa, whoa there! Everybody needs to slow down and talk this out," and instead the blue wall hardened in a very visible and hypocritical manner.

Or maybe some school shooting in the 90s is really what happened to make all cops in the USA begin to systemically utilize force whenever their authority was not immediately followed.

coyo7e fucked around with this message at 18:42 on May 20, 2017

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
Untrue. Your floor will be more comfortable until the ceiling lands on you.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

herbaceous backson posted:

Eh, the guy is a biology prof. with a doctorate, why is "scientist" in quotes?
I read the quote-scientist-unquote to be poking fun of the biotruth "science" angle. Him being a biology professor may even compound that view depending on how you look at it.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
Just make sure you bring a knife to your next protest. They seem much more effective than concealed firearms, tbh

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

Peachfart posted:

Oh, is this the part of the thread where we purity test everyone and leftism further shrinks into irrelevance? Neat.

Personally I believe that you can have an argument about methodology without immediately accusing everyone of being class traitors and such, but given the extremely effective history of leftist protests I'm sure you all know best.
Seriously, just get the gently caress out of Oregon. We need less edgelords and exchange students with corgis, anyway

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

Solkanar512 posted:

Come on, the last few pages have been nothing more than a giant, circular firing squad. We have people seriously talking about full blown revolution while making GBS threads on those who are actually in the government actively working to make things better.
What the gently caress are you talking about?

quote:

Why are folks so concerned about trying to score rhetorical points and verbally burn people who likely agree on 99% of poo poo to begin with? What does that loving accomplish?
Oh, now i see

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
Attempting to stand on a hill and declaim all others as trying to score rhetorical points is pretty loving hypocritical, dude

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

Peachfart posted:

This isn't hypocritical, and do you mean 'decry'?
Or maybe declare?
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/declaim

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
If your go-to response is "grammar-check that bitch right quick, without checking to see if it's actually properly used," you probably ought to go back to lurking instead of posting

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
Obviously, the black man walked up and started camera'ing, and throwing hitler salutes.

That's some pro-level mis-reading there, I gotta say

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

HEY NONG MAN posted:

They played the recording on KUOW today. Sounded legit and scary.
The dude going off about his 44 magnum? MAGA

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

seiferguy posted:

The soda tax sounded like a good idea, then I found out it also will tax bubble tea, and I'm a little sad :smith: somehow lattes aren't taxed though.
I'm down with legal, codified fat shaming, but then we need to be consistent with applying it to every junk food and fat food company's products. Which would probably destroy a good chunk of the economy and also not work.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

xrunner posted:

Is it because of the milk? I know that's why a lot of the prepackaged Starbucks drinks don't get sales taxed while other prepackaged sweetened drinks do.
Probably. I can't imagine those things have less sugar than a lot of sodas,. but doesn't bubble tea have milk, too?

Maybe it's targeted more at HFCS specifically or something? I don't drink a lot of store-bought sweetened beverages though so I don't even know if starbucks bottled coffees use corn syrup or some other, more politically correct, version of sugar such as beet or cane sugar etc.

coyo7e fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Jun 6, 2017

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
Maybe if those people in the $200k+ bracket ought to stop wasting their money on iPhones and wine and steak, and just live reasonably

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

ElCondemn posted:

But you don't understand, my million dollar mortgage and 3 car loans means I'm actually worse off than someone making 20k/year!
Eh, just go sell plasma then, like poor people do. I hear you can make over a grand a month selling it in places like Florida.

The only difference would be that the plasma would come from wealthy (white) people and go to extend the lives of (wealthy) white people - so isn't that like, civic service for a white nationalist?

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
Next up, PNW goons posting about their HOA fines ITT as relevant politics about people someone has heard of and cares about

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
I agree, Portland is not racist but if you try to not be racist then it makes you racist

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coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

anthonypants posted:

Would you say that you are the "Portland 4 Trump!!!!" sticky notes, or the "Yes, but not me!" sticky note
I'm the note that I just copied out ITT and that you quoted. Verbatim.

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