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RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Black Diamond is doing it's best to emulate CIA sabotage OPs in their own town:

http://voiceofthevalley.com/2016/12/04/shock-awe-hit-black-diamond-city-council-meeting/

quote:

Shock and awe hit Black Diamond City Council during their Thursday, December 1, City Council meeting as Councilmembers Erika Morgan, Brian Weber and Pat Pepper were served a stack of lawsuit documents during the meeting�s second comment period at the end of the meeting.

CEO of Oakpointe Communities, Brian Ross came forward and began reading from his letter to the Black Diamond Community while a stack of documents were being served to the Council. He went on to state that a lawsuit against Councilmembers Morgan, Pepper and Weber was being filed that included over 135 violations of the Open Public Meeting Act (OPMA). �The illegal behavior of Council Members Morgan, Pepper and Weber represents a dereliction of duty to the citizens of Black Diamond that elected them to their respective offices,� Ross stated,

The consideration for a lawsuit did not come easy, but came only after several months of study, deliberation and consideration. Point after point was documented in the 32-page document (along with 14 supporting exhibits) showing how the three majority Councilmember were conducting business.

http://www.maplevalleyreporter.com/news/black-diamond-fails-to-pass-budget/

quote:

Weber announced he had amendments he would like to make to the budget during the Dec. 1 meeting, but did not go into much detail about them.

During the Dec. 8 workshop on the budget, Weber again declined to give more information about his amendments.

When his amendments made the rounds on Dec. 15, it was the first time the council, the city attorney, the city�s financial director and the public had seen them.

Weber held up his amendments and related budget ordinance as part of a �truly historic and forward-thinking budget.�

But many residents at the meeting criticized these amendments as deceptive because they were introduced two weeks after the final public hearing on the budget, which was held Dec. 1.

Benson was less eloquent, calling Weber�s amendments �a piece of sh*t.�

quote:

The city�s insurance carrier, the Association of Washington Cities, made it clear in a Dec. 15 letter that it will not pay or compensate the city, the council as a whole or the individual council members for their defense costs because the city�s coverage does not include OPMA violations.

They're playing on a micro level what the republicans have been flirting with nationally:
http://www.king5.com/news/local/black-diamond-passes-budget-narrowly-avoids-government-shutdown/379542268

http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/no-police-water-if-king-co-city-doesnt-adopt-budget/479256070

Background from june:
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/eastside/city-hall-warfare-over-development-holds-black-diamond-hostage/

quote:

Councilmembers Erika Morgan, Pat Pepper and Brian Weber are trying to wrest control of city government from Mayor Carol Benson. They say she hasn�t done enough to control a development that would add 6,060 homes over the next 20 years and quintuple the rural King County town�s population of 4,200.

City business has ground to a halt as the new council majority delays payment of even routine bills including gas for police cars and 911 service. For several weeks the city was without a building inspector because the three voted down a contract proposed by city staff.

e: added map

RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Dec 30, 2016

# ¿ Dec 30, 2016 03:41

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 08:31

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Prester Jane posted:

So I just moved from San Antonio to Portland back in August, and I simply cannot get over just how much I love this city. Tomorrow my roomate and I are celebrating the new Years by smoking some top shelf MKULTRA (A strain with a reputation for insane munchies) until we can barely stand, then taking the light rail downtown (picks up at the end of our street) and then finally stumbling our way into an all-you-can-eat Brazilian steakhouse.

What I'm saying is that I love living here and am so very grateful that a place as magical as this city actually exists.

Welcome to the place the survivors will tell of in Tales in the night light of the smoldering atomic ruins of the yuuge border patrol robots.

# ¿ Dec 31, 2016 06:29

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

anthonypants posted:

Shoutout to Spokane https://twitter.com/IGD_News/status/825918650657828864

It would be interesting if the public narrative became that the GOP needs to disown the administration or they're complicit in Nazi-ism.

Of course I think the corporate media would fight that narrative but it would be interesting if that's how things played out. Delusional as it probably is.

Oh well, we can start by making Republican an embarrassment in the PNW, drop the party or drop your position, GOP.

# ¿ Jan 30, 2017 07:34

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Who the gently caress is so petite borguise that they track what other users are doing in other threads and export it around like some sort of shitposting logistics company?

On thread topic:
KUOW has as part of their "Region of Boom" series, which is how growth is affecting the region, set their sights on Black Diamond the town i mentioned before in the thread. Theres now several stories, albiet short ones about the government imploding in on itself and its a train wreck i can't look away from. The reporters wont call out the blatently illegal acts in fear of losing access but its really funny to listen to a seattle metro prospective on a small town in the PNW, you can hear the whole thing seething with the NPR both sides are equal narrative style.

http://kuow.org/term/black-diamond

quote:

Former King County Councilmember Brian Derdowski is a critic of the development. He�s been advising the City Council (pro bono, he said) to resist what he considers the mayor�s scare tactics.

Derdowski: �We won�t give in to tyrants so we get our water, so we get our police.�

Context: That is one of the guys advising the council majority on how to run CIA sabotage ops in a town of 4000.

The topic of discussion there is passing an annual budget so staff gets paid. Its the GOP government shutdown with the added bonus of a "alternate " budget that has sections in it that would be literally illegal to enact. Like taking government grants for specific things with no matching funds and putting it in the general fund.

RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Feb 18, 2017

# ¿ Feb 18, 2017 18:33

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

HEY NONG MAN posted:

Is she trying to steal her gavel?

Local politics own. I need to get a piece of that.

The lady standing in that shot is the mayor trying to reclaim the gavel from the council member who decided that the recess was over and shes in charge now. That particular altercation the council member was trying to get the mayor to hit her so she could claim assault.

# ¿ Feb 19, 2017 19:19

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

From what i understand aiming a firearm at someone else outside of law enforcement is a crime in Washington so this isnt exactly a stand your ground scenario unless you're a student at UW apparently.

# ¿ Feb 20, 2017 19:25

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

anthonypants posted:

We need to find a way to make taxis competitive with services like Uber, which are hemorrhaging money and are funded by literally billions of dollars in venture capital. But, how?

This seems to be a fairly uniquely American problem in my experience. So it's probably best to start with, what has regulatory capture wrought?

# ¿ Feb 24, 2017 19:27

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

The Groper posted:

Hey, poo poo posting from detroit bcuz I read you're all gonna die in some giant fuckoff earthquake this century what's up with that/how much is it gonna cost to rebuild/y'all should come move to Detroit and help us keep the water from becoming flammable again k?

Sorry, people in the PNW are woodland elves and Detroit is well known gnome country. We would not mesh well.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2017 03:22

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

therobit posted:

Why would you not want members at whatever activity level they can maintain? Especially ones that pay dues and vote for your candidates? Political movements require passive support as well in order to survive.

Yeah this is puzzling to me and smacks of desiring purity so it doesn't cost as much administrative overhead.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2017 21:01

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

The Oldest Man posted:

Seattle Times op ed page with this thought provoking hot take that maybe home prices would drop if we just stopped building homes:

http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/seattles-build-baby-build-frenzy-leaves-affordability-in-the-dust/

Yes, let us become San Francisco. Cover me in the amber of immortality.

This guy is dumb in multiple ways, least of which is that "Seattle" is a catch all term for all that matters. The Mega Region the Mass Effect trilogy supposed is just as likely as careful build out at this point. He reeks of every anti building type ive run into in the ex-urbs throwing up his hands and screaming "No stop!" in the face of history. We dont have time to pause, history does not wait for us and those that do lose what little control and say they have. Just like with Black Diamond.

# ¿ Apr 1, 2017 19:56

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

The Oldest Man posted:

Well the larger problem is that he is presupposing that single family homes are somehow going to be affordable again for the average buyer. They're not, that time in Seattle's history is gone and frankly it's not coming back.

Agreed, I don't get the obsession with it.

# ¿ Apr 2, 2017 00:00

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

The problem is people who live in Vancouver tend to be tax cheats in that they use Portland for services but dont want to pay taxes and use an artificial line created by governments to avoid them.

I have this vague idea in my head that we should use some sort of computer model to determine distance from services so people cant play the tax equivalent of sitting in the back seat of the car with their fingers an inch from your face going "nah nah im not touching you!"

Of course fixing such a thing would probably make Vancouver disappear overnight.

# ¿ Apr 5, 2017 15:19

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Pacific Northwest Thread: Bikes are still a trigger word.

# ¿ Apr 5, 2017 21:12

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Seattle mayors seem to have a pretty short career span in general. I don't remember the last time there was a Seattle mayor that people didn't think hadn't hosed up some particular thing badly.

# ¿ Apr 7, 2017 21:29

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

If people held corporations to the same level of skepticism they held their governments to, Senor P would have twice as many co-workers.

...in fact I'm not convinced there isn't a labor violation going on there right now, if things truly are as described.

# ¿ Apr 8, 2017 00:17

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

George posted:

Yeah folks need to chill about this. I sympathize with his point that not all $70k incomes are created equal but it's so easy to abuse what he's proposing that I think the solution has to lie elsewhere in the tax code.

"Mr Gates you plan to die with a normal wealth level and I would like to build The Daedalus Ladder. We can call it the Gates if you like."

# ¿ Apr 8, 2017 01:24

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

DevNull posted:

Washington democrats are doing the job of the Washington republicans by reducing the cost of licensing your car to try to kill ST3.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=2201&Year=2017

They claim that republicans were going to pass worse, so they had to pass this to keep the republican bill from passing. Republicans could threaten to cut off your head, democrats would instead cut off both your arms and act like they were doing you a huge favor.

This seems like the kind of thing that is going to cause the Democrats to lose ground to Socialist alternatives.

The good news is that this will push the Dems nationally left and will be more effective if we just keep playing by PNW rules and don't let the national democrats decide our behavior and policy.

# ¿ Apr 13, 2017 16:26

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Whats the state of credit unions in Oregon?

# ¿ Apr 27, 2017 05:08

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

BlueBlazer posted:

Also the post office should supply citizen emails from your soc. You get all your bureaucracy through the portal.

The post office could be so much more awesome than it is today.

*gazes warily across the parking lot from another government building at a post office*

I'm not sure I trust the feds with something more analog than paper.

# ¿ Apr 27, 2017 06:33

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Agreed, the darkness that emanates from that place is the stink of depreciation, not lack of purpose.

# ¿ Apr 27, 2017 06:42

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Accretionist posted:

Counter-Point: The Post Office rules rear end

We can just pretend i confusedly posted pictures of large buttox postal workers here.

They need more money so they can do proper customer service.

# ¿ Apr 27, 2017 08:27

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Is there any difference good or bad with cops in the PNW or are we just telling pretense to gently caress off at this point?

# ¿ May 20, 2017 05:56

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

George posted:

Seattle has a legendarily lovely police department.

Cool, lets talk about that.

Has it always been the case or did poo poo escalate when Huckabees criminal negligence pardoned a cop killer and had the Seattle PD lose what was it.. 2 or 4 in a random diner?

# ¿ May 20, 2017 06:07

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

DevNull posted:

Sorry dude, but cops have long been horrible fuckers in the Seattle area.
https://epls.org/251/The-Everett-Massacre

Don't forget all the poo poo that went down at the WTO protests. The Seattle police are so bad the federal government put them under consent decree.

In other words, you don't get to act like the cops are innocent.

You probably shouldnt assume I want to "act" like anything.

I have to cope with the fact that I have to work with small town cops who work on a community policing model who seem to get it, and the fact that there's cops in the same dept who seem to have all those coincidental norse pride tatts. I'm pretty sure the only thing preventing some of these people from being outted as horrible racist shitbags is a lack of minority targets.

I am not as a person, who pretends to be reasonable all, that comfortable with saying all cops are uniformly bad because you know, faith in humanity and the whole people say simliar blanket statements about government workers in general just because they're on the other side of the political spectrum.

There's a lot of poo poo broken but I am fairly sure we're not going to fix it by otherising people.

RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 18:15 on May 21, 2017

# ¿ May 21, 2017 18:13

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

DevNull posted:

You immediately jumped to a story about cops being under attack. You are defending their bad behavior.

Cops are by definition separated from civilians. They knowingly do this so that they can be a violent actor in support of the state. Don't try to pretend they are a marginalized group the is mistreated by society and "otherised" like they are an oppressed group.

I can't think of a fruitful way to continue this if the context of this is that the people whom should be peace officers are not civilians.

If you're an anarchist this assertion makes sense, but in that case it would be inappropriate for you to claim solidarity with ... probably humanity itself.

Its fine if you want to disagree with me, I do not have the luxury or privilege of spouting off on the internet that people I have to work with are enemy combatants.

RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 20:40 on May 21, 2017

# ¿ May 21, 2017 20:37

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Error 404 posted:

Then you should probably find a job that doesn't require aiding and defending "enemy combatants".

Police are civilians, a corrupted system and culture allows them to act otherwise.

poo poo doesnt fly in my town.

quote:

E: and maybe also convince the "good" cops you know to do the same.

Both parties are the same, Im not voting!

RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 20:58 on May 21, 2017

# ¿ May 21, 2017 20:55

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

anthonypants posted:

that's bullshit though

Correct, and it has to start with us.

If all the good people who interact with the cops leave, who's left?

When then video cameras that get installed finally happen, they're not going to be in police jurisdiction, they're going to be MY record to maintain.

Somebody decides to go Odin Pride they're not getting away with poo poo in my town.

# ¿ May 21, 2017 21:15

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

I appreciate your advocacy Solk, but don't stress over it.

It occurs to me since it was mentioned in passing that many not be familiar with the concept of community policing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_policing

Its not a complete answer, but it's a piece of the solution in demilitarizing the police and ultimately disarming them.

YMMV:

quote:

Common implementations of community-policing include:[10]

Relying on community-based crime prevention by utilizing civilian education, neighborhood watch, and a variety of other techniques, as opposed to relying solely on police patrols.

Re-structuralizing of patrol from an emergency response based system to emphasizing proactive techniques such as foot patrol.

Increased officer accountability to civilians they are supposed to serve.

Decentralizing the police authority, allowing more discretion amongst lower-ranking officers, and more initiative expected from them.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 02:02

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Peachfart posted:

The hacker guy sounds like a nut, though the goal of transparency is great.

Hopefully they get someone more stable next time.

Understatement.

He asked 35 cities in the state to provide all their databases regardless of relation to public safety.

For visual inspection.

All on the same due date.

So he could put them in his own new hand crafted artisanal transparency website.

Which he would collate data for by his visual inspections of said databases.

# ¿ Jun 25, 2017 00:04

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

FRINGE posted:

Well yeah. Superspergs and authoritarians cant communicate productively. Someone should blog about it.

Edit: Although to clarify - I suspect the initial motivation in the department wanting to increase and speed up its abilities to edit body cam footage to begin with was not to "increase transparency" or "accountability".

You dont need to ascribe any kind of malicious intent, SPD, you know the ones who were doing PR on twitch last week, couldnt tell that they had a lunatic on their hands and thought "his expertise will help solve this thing we dont understand" :downs:

RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Jun 25, 2017

# ¿ Jun 25, 2017 01:04

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

I'd like to give myself the small comfort that perhaps the reason this news keeps coming out of the PNW is because people actually care its happening around here. I guess its possible that this kind of violence driven by hate and fear is really centered here but I feel like its potentially just as likely that its going unreported elsewhere.

# ¿ Jul 13, 2017 15:09

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Fuligin posted:

hello thread, I just moved from pdx to seattle, which is not really relevant to what i came here to say, which is that I am sick to death of these heat waves jfc

Last week I joked that people around here liked trees so much I was starting to think they were elves and a guy got indignant with me that the tree hugging could be made fun of.

This is a guy who remains silent when people make fun of him for wasting time at work.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2017 03:10

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

silicone thrills posted:

It's literally dropping ash in downtown Seattle right now. 12 years I've lived here and never experienced this. No sun. It's cooler than expected which is nice I guess.

The only thing I've seen resembling this is the pictures of when St Helens blew and that was definitely worse.

This sucks though.

# ¿ Sep 6, 2017 00:15

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Isn't Richerts district fairly gerrymandered, like it grew a Republican serving tumor over his tenure?

# ¿ Sep 7, 2017 07:39

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Microsoft being down the road leaves a little too much cross pollination potential, Seattle would need all the major software companies to leave to go full Detroit and there's other stuff developing as well. Don't forget Valve and Nintendo of America are around too.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2017 04:06

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

I'm not sure it matters, it's not like anyone under 50 watches local television news anyway. They're certainly not going to get people back when both heads of a household are working and don't have time to waste watching the nightly fear watch.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2017 21:55

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Thanatosian posted:

Dino Rossi is officially running for Dave Reichart's seat.

Here's hoping he has as much success with this election as he has in the past.

Gunna work it to get at least one more in the seat in the house blue, this is winnable, crush the Dino-saur.

# ¿ Sep 24, 2017 00:23

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

BrandorKP posted:

What's the best way to help I live in that district?

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/with-election-still-a-year-away-democrats-line-up-to-challenge-rep-dave-reichert/

Who do we like?

# ¿ Sep 24, 2017 18:39

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Relevant Tangent posted:

You'll trade rule from DC for rule by California. You'll also have unfriendly neighbors on every side and domestic rebellion. Good luck maintaining the PNW attitude when you have to have a standing army.

If we're going to make wild statements of fantasy can they at least be coherent enough to be fun? Like maybe the space needle is the antenna for the Black Omen.

# ¿ Sep 28, 2017 08:19

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 08:31

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

Munchables posted:

I just base it off all the gotdamn license plates

I'm always confused when I see mid west or East coast plates in the area i want to pull them over and ask them if they're ok because that really must've sucked.

# ¿ Oct 3, 2017 23:13

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