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remusclaw posted:Out of curiosity, what is it that make OVA so capable as an anime game as opposed to something like GURPS, Mutants and Masterminds, or FATE? 2/3 of those are incredibly bad. Elfgames posted:monsterhearts is actually a fine anime game but even beyond settings each of those series has a tone and you'd do yourself a disservice by using the same game to emulate them. Also i think all generic systems are mostly bad anyway . also i think that any system can be made anime with the right mindset I don't think Balkanizing games based on tone is quite the right way to go about design.
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I'm actually working on a game that's intended to draw upon Kino's Journey, Flip Flappers, and Lupin III: The Woman Called Fujiko Mine at the moment.
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Elfgames posted:maybe i'm not using the right words but i mean it in the same way you wouldn't use D&D to play horror or romance. That's more genre and you could do either in D&D, they'd just be somewhat disengaged from the mechanics because D&D lacks the mechanical base to do introspection and interpersonal interaction well. But you could have a set of mechanics that embraced all of those series, especially since they rely on dual escalations of inner and outer conflict (Utena being a mild outlier) and a lot of teen emotionality.
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Elfgames posted:If you're not engaging with the mechanics then you're not playing the game Then, uh, a significant part of play in any RPG doesn't consist of gameplay, such as any time you play out a conversation.
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Jan 9, 2017 12:38
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thefakenews posted:You've phrased this like you think it isn't true. Well, I think any model of RPGs which concludes that substantial parts of the activity of role-playing are extraneous blubber is one that encourages a dysfunctional approach to design where everything must be gamified, and is one that assumes RPGs are basically board games rather than a category of game on their own.
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Jan 9, 2017 14:42
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Zandar posted:You can do freeform roleplay while playing a board game as well; lots of players make up a personality for the "general" they're playing as in war games. The difference between RPGs and board games is that RPGs have you make decisions about your character that affect their capabilities in the mechanical part of the game. This just leads us to demanding people roll for every task, since someone just automatically getting on a horse to ride it is not playing the game, but it becomes part of the game if you have to roll for it, even if you would automatically succeed by the rules. This is what I meant by gamifying everything- in order to make discussions about tactics or plans part of the game, you have to be rolling or have elaborate speaking rules, else it's just a distraction from the game which ought to be eliminated as a waste of time.
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Zephirum posted:With board games, you're using out-of-system role-playing to arrive at and justify in-system actions. It's just more codified in an RPG, so what's the point of playing if you're not engaging in the game part of it? These people you're describing are real motherfuckers and if any of them pop into this thread I'll spread their nose across their face. But I dunno why we'd talk about them all of a sudden. Zandar posted:You'll note that I didn't, in fact, demand that people roll for every task; I said that games should take the surrounding activities that come with them into account. In fact, part of a game's design should probably be to determine how much time players are expected to be engaging directly with the rules and to design those rules accordingly. So on the one hand, we still have it passed down from the hand of God that these activities cannot actually be part of play, and the true nature of gameplay is in contextless activity without any purpose or reasoning behind it, but on the other hand we also have the statement that the context is suddenly part of gameplay now because the game state no longer consists solely of the raw gears and their interactions. How do you resolve this contradiction? gradenko_2000 posted:If the rules state that trivially easy actions should not be rolled for, or in fact that certain actions can be passed by "Taking 1" (in fact a cornerstone of the Cypher System and d20, to certain degrees), then you can still "engage with the rules" without having to roll for everything. Or this is a statement that those activities are not part of gameplay, alternatively.
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Jan 9, 2017 15:59
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Elfgames posted:if there are rules/benefits for riding a horse then choosing to get on one is engaging with the mechanics. also who said that everything has to be 100% gameplay? i'm just saying if you're going to play a game and then not use it's mechanics then you aren't playing the game. If you're going to make D&D characters and then freeform rp about romance there's really no need to create D&D characters. I can play Dominion without any kind of metagame awareness (though I'd be pretty bad at it). But I can't play Burning Wheel with only an awareness of gameplay as it is being defined (I actually literally can't do so since character motivations are central to play) and so we have this dilemma where a definitionally extraneous element to the game itself is also necessary to engage in gameplay.
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Jan 9, 2017 16:32
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Elfgames posted:it's not extraneous if it's a necessary part of gameplay But you are arguing that it isn't gameplay! gently caress! Do you even think about these things before you type them?
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Zandar posted:They are part of play, and I never said otherwise. I only said that "having a conversation which doesn't change anything about your character's capabilities or their situation in subsequent play is some (presumably fun) freeform roleplaying surrounding the actual play involving mechanics", and I haven't changed that stance. I did use "gameplay" to refer to directly interacting with the rules at one point, so that's probably confused the issue; sorry about that. This argument leads to the conclusion that all games should have extremely narrow foci such that designer intent can be readily comprehensible so that we can be sure we are dedicating the proper amount of time to acting and not improper amounts.
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Jan 9, 2017 17:05
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Plutonis posted:Haha cool. On the subject of anime and WW2 (sort of) TRPGs i found out there's a Girls und Panzer RPG with the shinobigami system. How is Shinobigami?
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Are White Wolf secretly evil too or something "Late" capitalism.
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Countblanc posted:based on personal experience, you're looking for Dungeons and Dragons: 4th Edition by Wizards of the Coast.
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Any kind of setting that wants to expand vertically as well as horizontally is going to have some metaplot involved, even if it's just "if City Councilor Whazzat dies then his daughter Foozle won't be around to be mayor in the present day". Like, Gloranthan metaplot isn't super intrusive by WoD or Wick standards, but at the same time there's plenty of published official/semi-official material that assumes certain events happened in a particular way, plenty of NPCs that can't reasonably be opposed, and certain things are more or less guaranteed to happen. And I think it's worthwhile for some settings to go beyond fleshing out splats or adding new locations, to have a context, a history, etc. so long as there's a willingness to play fair on players being able to derail things.
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Nuns with Guns posted:Glorantha also benefits from being in a setting that both allows and encourages players to rewrite reality and myth through their adventures, too. Ehhhhh.... that's not always reflected so well in game rules or in the books themselves. I fondly remember the Heroquest 1e example Heroquest ending with 4/6 characters dead, one permanently disabled, and the last severely injured.
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Slavery as D&D and medieval fantasy usually presents it is for the purpose of signaling the area is exotic, often the assumption is that players will exploit the slaves, and overall it comes straight from the depths of the Nadir of American Race Relations where Howard and Burroughs originated it. That being said, Dark Sun and Glorantha and very heavily historical settings shouldn't be thrown out with the bathwater, since they have good reasons to include it and don't fall as prey to it as generic stuff does.
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Mar 9, 2017 05:33
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Rockopolis posted:Wait, PCs exploiting slavery? Where does that come from? Isn't slavery just supposed to provide targets for PCs, Not really? I mean, there are adventures and settings where that's true, but many of the adventures are about "white slavery". But it's far more common to have slaves as essentially decorations to show off exoticism and the PCs may be waited on by slaves or there'll be a dancing girl or whatever. Hopefully many players engage in some good ol'-fashioned abolitionism in response, but the way the games are written is distinct from that.
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Covok posted:The logic of this statement does not add up. A + B does not equal C, so to speak. The facts brought up don't lead to the conclusion reached, to be more direct. Plutonis is saying Americans are unable to understand media because of a dysfunctional educational system. Can't say I disagree.
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Mar 9, 2017 18:03
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Serf posted:its good to know that people are being failed by "decent" education systems regardless of nationality 16 words for a signature is a bit too long, man. If you cut it down by two you'd at least have a meme.
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Mar 9, 2017 18:09
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fool_of_sound posted:I only like anime elves. Tolkien elves are basically anime, so I could have just emptyquoted this, but I didn't.
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fool_of_sound posted:Yeah I kinda take issue with the idea that when and how certain evils should be depicted is an 'unnecessary intellectual exercise'. Eh, if it weren't for people complaining about discussion when it happens threads would be even slower.
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Kwyndig posted:I'm going to talk about how and why I dislike elves. Elves are boring because they're perfect. They live their ridiculously long lives in their perfect little tree cities and they're so good and twee it drives me crazy how you can even write a story about them! Tolkien influenced modern depictions of elves so heavily people barely remember that they used to be tiny folk that drank milk and played pranks by moonlight. http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Elf-san-wa-Yaserarenai/Ch-001--Appointment-001--Forest-Elf?id=340497 Elves are win, actually. Also, elves have only been tiny since the Victorian period. Norse Alfar are slightly smaller than people, British elves and sidhe are the same height as people. It's only when the Victorians decided on genocide-by-tweeness to eliminate elves from the world that they went all Cottingley.
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Antivehicular posted:Yeah, this was basically what I was going to post. I feel like way too many settings write elves as pretty post-scarcity humans with no meaningful societal conflict/tension besides war with their conveniently color-coded evil selves; settings where "dark elves" are an alternate philosophical/societal approach and not an actual subspecies are a bit better, but still don't always end up interesting. Elven dystopias -- or, at least, elven societies that look dystopic to other races and to the outcast elves who end up as PC fodder -- are the way to go, in my opinion. Why? Isn't this just reified xenophobia, presenting the status quo of humans as the only way to exist that doesn't turn into a nightmare?
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remusclaw posted:Well what is that terrifying otherness that makes us re-imagine our place in the universe other than reified xenophobia? It's not like we have actual alien beings to compare ourselves too. Whether we ought or not, we don't look at the depths of the ocean and all the creatures there and say, "What godless universe wrought such terror!" The closest we have to other, the plants animals we live with on this planet, we either classify as food, pet, too dangerous to pet, too ugly to pet, too wet to pet, etc... We anthropomorphize the other we do have access to and we otherize human beings. Even the truly alien things we like to imagine are born from the twisted minds of authors we love are not truly alien, we extrapolate from Earth life, because from where else can we? Uh, fear isn't the only kind of transcendental experience, my dude.
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Ferrinus posted:A lot of people accidentally start roleplaying as humans who happen to live in the same world as elves when they start talking about elves as fictional constructs. I'm always consciously roleplaying as an aasimar in a realistic aboleth suit when I talk about elves.
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Kwyndig posted:Yes, I will agree with this. It would be nice if gnomes could be racist against the Swiss instead of what they are now.
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Brother Entropy posted:i feel like eberron gnomes are racist against some mid-tier 18th century european power but my colonized eyes can't distinguish between them enough to figure out which one *throws dart at map of Europe post-peace of Westphalia* Looks like they're Lithuanians.
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Kwyndig posted:Why would I read scribblings from Tolkien's math notebook? Antivehicular posted:Because Chris Tolkien got to get paid, yo Look at these scrubs who probably couldn't even be bothered to learn Mercian.
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Arivia posted:LotR is the only geek thing more boring than anime. Both just suck terribly. Hope this helps. You know, there are easier ways to get clicks.
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Plutonis posted:Also the Megaten games pulled the Law/Chaos alignment well I dunno why TRPGs can't do so. Counterpoint: Nocturne and SMT4: Apocalypse ditched it.
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Really, a Megaten approach to alignment where Law and Chaos are both utter garbage but Neutral is just punting would be a nicely bleak game.
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Also, the use of resurrected corpses for labor comes from stories about zombies, where Haitian zombi are fairly transparent metaphors for slavery. Necromancy in culture before the rise of chattel slavery mostly involved communicating with the dead (thus -mancy, indicating it was originally a means of divination), and its immorality was based on whether living people could so peremptorily violate the boundary between life and death without relying on the divine.
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Countblanc posted:to be fair, that probably does make you cooler than other people coolness levels: sex with fairies < sex with liches/other skeletal undead < sex with modrons
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Speaking of AEG stuff that John Wick used to be involved in, are there any good alternatives for katana-and-geta gaming besides L5R and Tenra?
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Plutonis posted:3.5 Oriental Adventures You're banned from any game I run now, you sick motherfucker!!!
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Rockopolis posted:Specifically Katana and geta, or more broadly East Asian? Specifically katana-and-geta, Heian to late Tokugawa. But recs for stuff in China, Korea, SE Asia, etc. are always welcome.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:In general I don't think you necessarily need a "samurai system", a lot of fantasy systems will work fine and you don't necessarily need something specifically "Asian-flavored". A lot of it is really what kind of game you want to run with samurais in, whether it's Kurosawa or Musou or something else, and finding a system that fits that rather than worrying about whether or not there's a katana on the cover. Cool, thanks for your opinion, I'd rather not trawl through EAS department pages to locate good sources from which to compile an understanding of the Muromachi period so I can run a game set in the Onin War via Fungeon World or whatever, in favor of indirectly paying a person to have done that work for me and also converted it into something playable, in case anyone thinks they're funny and wants to say "GURPS!"
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Kwyndig posted:GURPS You are not excused.
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Kwyndig posted:I'm serious, GURPS is a good choice for realistic historical gaming. Neither of you will troll me.
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Plutonis posted:Replace Chivalric Virtues with Bushido, the religious virtues with the correspondant ones for Confucianism, Mahayana Buddhism and Shinto and change the Eras to reflect the turbulence from the Ashikaga Shogunate to the Azuchi-Momoyama and then the Tokugawa Unification The Great Sengoku Campaign
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