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Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Inducements go a long way to balancing teams in league play and the new edition looks pretty promising overall. I'm excited to see Fumble move over to it.

Here's a deep analysis of 10,000+ games and faction balance. It's pretty drat good even if individual games can be swingy (true to sports IMO).

https://bloodbowlstrategies.com/en/relative-strength-of-teams/

The worst teams have ~33% win rate which is bad but the best teams aren't oppressive at only 56%. 19 factions are above 45% overall too, so it's really just about staying away from the really bad teams if you care about that.


but really just play Snotlings because look at them


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Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Blitz Bowl is also a lot of fun for a quicker and much simpler version. Now that it has a variety of teams and a second season as well it's a great alternative.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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The separation of passing from agility is the biggest change in new BB and will probably shake up the balance all around.


Here's one person's take on it and the effect on humans

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So… what exactly does the new Blood Bowl Passing mean?

For a start, we’re definitely going to be seeing Throwers in most teams, at least in those who want the passing option. Humans for example, seem to get a little bit of a buff here, as their Thrower has gone from throwing on a 3+ (before modifiers) to a 2+, making a passing game just that little bit more viable. We may even see more Throwers being taken on the pitch itself, particularly on Attack. Before you’d maybe take one, but I can see some teams potentially taking two. One would remain in the backfield to pick up the ball, then one in the middle to receive a hand-off then pass to a catcher further on. It seems they have become more expensive, but I think most players would be happy to have the option at least.

gonna make a gimmick lateral team

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Kill Team has a lot of cheap entry options because a few full teams can be made with like $30 boxes. The game is pretty quick too at 30-45 minutes with a lot of variety. It’s the 40k equivalent of Warcry, but not quite as simple as far as I understand.

Honestly none of them are good beer and pretzels games though. I think of those as easy to learn and play games that require no prep time and anyone can jump in and join you, so unless you’re going to make squads for others and all even things like Underworlds is a poor choice since it requires deck lists on top of modeling. If GW hadn’t taken the license away from FFG and FFG didn’t get dismantled by Asmodee we could probably have more cool stuff like the Warhammer Discwars and Blood Bowl Team Manager games which were perfect for that beer and pretzels kind of thing.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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They teased some new release for it a month or so ago so not yet. I would imagine it'll get an update to coincide with 9th edition.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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You should definitely play it because Space Hulk rules. Those look great too.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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what games workshop game is that

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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That amount of card decks... yep, definitely an FFG game.


( :rip: )

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Kill Team got Indomitus rules and a new expansion teaser. It's not dead yet lol.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Is there a buy/sell thread? I'm looking for 2x Harlequin and 2x Custodes figures for my Kill Team rosters and don't want to buy whole boxes for just those lol.

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Feb 15, 2006


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Crab Dad posted:

New harlequins or older than dirt?

Either, some of the old mohawk pewter models are pretty sweet! If you have 8 of those I'd take em!

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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How does Necromunda compare to the new Kill Team?

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Feb 15, 2006


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Ropes4u posted:

There is some girl making 100k a year pretending to be a dog

Lol try a week

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Speaking of, does anyone have a better graphic or reference sheet for teaching LoS/Cover? The rulebook's text and images are pretty awful.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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berzerkmonkey posted:

Ships for Armada can hit the $100+ mark.

All I'm saying is that GW could have gone a similar route, and I'm glad they didn't.

This is so loving disingenuous its hilarious.

There was one single special edition model that was a huge prepainted display piece for MSRP $200. Everything else in the 90-100 range was the starter set or other multi-ship sets.

And it's especially funny you're comparing this unfavorably to GAMES WORKSHOP


EDIT: GS is charging $35 just for a set of cards for AI :lol:

Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Oct 14, 2021

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Yeah first game took us 2 hours, we ran it back and finished the second in under 1. It's pretty breezy once you know how it flows.

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Feb 15, 2006


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got a box of these for cheap, gonna use them as a Harlequin kill team proxy list. The style and builds line up pretty well :woop:

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Woodstock posted:

Confirming that the 2020 rules are pretty great

Can you go into more detail? My main BB friend plays in a lot of league stuff and said they're generally iffy to unhappy with it. I think his main complaints were star player stuff.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Squibsy posted:

I disagree with everything you said :blush:


Even the passing stat splitting from Agi?

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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they're getting released in separate boxes as well

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Feb 15, 2006


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DLC Inc posted:

Been reading up on the new Kill Team stuff, do people here generally like the new rules and set? I was a bit confused though that the Death Korps / Ork Kommandos seem to be the only teams in the compendium with very unique units, as opposed to teams like Necrons and poo poo who just have "it's just 5 Warriors and a leader and that's it." I'm assuming with new starter sets, other factions will get more unique teams like the first box?

Every faction is (slowly) getting more specialist teams via White Dwarf and the expansion sets. So far it’s been Clave, Tau, Sisters, Thousand Sons, and maybe one or two more.

The “basic” compendium teams can still be both fun to play though, with engaging mechanics and high power level in the meta so far. The Kommandos vs regular Orks, for instance, get a good bit of variety in exchange for an insane amount of wounds to chew through with 10 boys and 1 Nob (plus 3 rockets).

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Yeah it's funny that the Space Marines have the most fire teams by far in the book but they're all pretty boring and weak. Death Watch being the only real exception but they're still only like mid-tier (but a lot of fun thanks to all the load out options).

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Kommandos are the broken faction now, taking 4/5 top spots in the recent big tournament lol. The grot enables so super cheese that's hard to stop.

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Feb 15, 2006


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Anarcho-Commissar posted:

Why does GW not have printable PDFs of the new Kill Team dataslates/datacards when they're labeled as perfectly fine to photocopy?

Annoying.

https://datacard.app/

This is what you want (along with battlescribe)

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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cant be worse than assembling necron warriors. specifically the arms (I'm doing my Kommandos next week and will report back on this)

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Feb 15, 2006


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Electric Hobo posted:

I just had a great conversation with a guy who claimed that Custodes still have 4 actions in Kill Team, because they have an ability that makes them ignore changes to how many actions they have. The errata changed it, but they ignore all changes, so gently caress you I guess.

Lmao what a champ. That rules.

GW made a burrito so hot they can’t eat it.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Uhhhhhh

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Start with Gloomhaven Jaws of the Lion. It's a refinement on the system, can be had for $20, and is way less of a headache to setup, pack, and store. If you play through that and like it, then the big box is a great next step.

I also think the overall class design is better with those 4 than the 10+ in the original.

Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Dec 21, 2021

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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If anyone here would be willing to print some epic stuff for me please send a pm my way. Happy to pay. Or if you know of a 3d printing service that would be a good option for this kind of thing that'd be great too.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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abravemoose posted:

First half of my first Blood Bowl team, so a Blitz Bowl team.



The Hvalhavn Leviatans

From left to right: Joel Chinsmall, Alabaster Crug, Pine Handlemaker, Geoff Pillowstitch, Slab the Staravino and Taed Dandelion.

looks rad

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Yvonmukluk posted:


In other news, Harlequins are getting Kill Team Rules in next issue of White Dwarf.

That’s scary. They’re already a top 3 team, getting more specialists and such will probably secure them as the best team for a while.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Kill Team is going to feel more like small scale 40k. Necromunda is much more campaign and narrative oriented (but KT can still do that as well). KT is also going to have 1:1 WH40K army translations whereas Necromunda is all their own factions that don't really have a parallel. Necro is also a lot more about tight close quarters terrain. I think they both have their place and are plenty different design-wise.

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Feb 15, 2006


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Injuryprone posted:

For Kill Team, if I only build one of each, should I build a DG champ with bolter or plasma pistol? Fighter with knives or axe/mace?

Axe for sure. And iirc Plasma over Bolter but you should double check that one.

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Feb 15, 2006


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Floppychop posted:

I just think vehicle based games need to be on a smaller scale.

Ork/necromunda mad max style vehicle combat at 8mm scale would be amazing.


Indolent Bastard posted:

Try Gaslands. It uses Hot wheels. Cheap and small!

beat me to it. Gaslands is amazing. And now I want to 3d print some 1/64th orc buggies to go with my Mario Kart set.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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For Kill Team no one gives a fuuuuuck, much like Blood Bowl*.

*If they do laugh at them and find someone cooler to play with

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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a7m2 posted:

Thanks for the link! I thought the "off-brand" models were fine but fair enough.

Yeah people share kickstarters and stl maker stuff here all the time.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Remember when you edited my post to remove a link to a rulebook from an FFG game that was out and being sold because you said that was files? Lmao

The same FFG who posts all their rulebooks on both their own website and BGG.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Leperflesh posted:

No, I don't remember that.

Leperflesh posted:

Ummm, gonna go ahead and call that :filez:. You can privately share poo poo, whatever, but please don't link it from the forums.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Lol

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Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Yeah your first game will take a few hours. Subsequent games will go quicker, averaging around 45 mins or so if both players know the game.

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