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Eej posted:I don't know how much of it is the original author's POV and how much of it is Tanya's character (although at some point she did make mention to the Chicago school so I wonder...) but the idea that people are rational actors is a fairly modern one and she keeps trying to apply cold hard corporate logic leading to unexpected factors plus the "irrationality" of the people in this period throwing her plans off course. If it really is supposed to be Being X influencing other nations to become more belligerent it's not really a necessary plot point for the writer to include because nations even nowadays do not act completely "rationally" as uh, highlighted by very recent events. I saw that as more Tanya's specific character, rather than author suggesting the world was that way. Tanya's a total sociopath and doesn't instinctively understand that other people have desires beyond their own self interest, so of course she blames them for doing something she can't see as anything but stupid.
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drilldo squirt posted:She seems like that but she also sent her friend back to the rear so even if she can't admit it she is capable of emotion like that. Her face still weirds me out though. It's a bit ambiguous whether she has any genuine attachment to Viktoriya, but my personal take is because Tanya bases her self-worth on doing her job well, and this is an extension of that. She doesn't care about her as a human being, but in protecting her and helping her move up, she fulfills the role she's supposed to play in the military. Tanya's also obsessed with organizational rules, and it follows that if bad soldiers should be punished (read: killed), good soldiers should be rewarded. I'd say the most affection Tanya has for Viktoriya is acknowledging that she ended up being an obedient and hardworking subordinate, which is exactly what gets you promoted in Japanese salaryman culture.
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Namtab posted:The salaryman had friends and interests outside of work. I'd say that Tanya is probably interested in her and has some low level of attachment, but they definitely aren't friends at this stage. Did he? I didn't see anything in ep. 2 to imply he had a non-work life at all. Or is this some light novel knowledge?
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Cao Ni Ma posted:The episodes so far have been pretty good although the first episode doesn't really do much to give it you an impression of what the story is about. It's also one of the top selling anime this season just below cash grab gacha game anime and konosuba. The first episode was a pretty bold choice; if you watch the second episode it works great as a package, but just the first episode gives you none of Tanya's inner life, which is to me what makes the show stand out. I can totally imagine someone watching just the first episode, not getting what the fuss is about, and missing out. This is a problem Japanese doesn't have, but I don't know whether Tanya should be referred to as 'he' or 'she'. I can kinda see the argument from both sides.
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Jan 30, 2017 18:51
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Namtab posted:I don't think that's a problem worth focusing on, but I'd say to see what self identifying pronoun Tanya uses She won't, Japanese doesn't have gendered pronouns. I agree it's not a major thing, though.
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Eej posted:It was a pretty dumb choice and I'm sure it might have lost a lot of viewers at the cost of... well, they didn't really get anything by showing it aside from essentially war porn. I like the choice from an artistic viewpoint, the first episode is essentially showing you how the world views Tanya, and the contrast between that and the reveal of Tanya sees the world is an interesting framing device. But as a marketing decision it seems awfully dangerous, though from what I hear the show is doing well, so I guess it worked out. darkgray posted:Er, some might argue that kare and kanojo would be fairly equivalent to he and she? Oh yeah, I wasn't thinking of them as pronouns per se, but I guess they basically are. Though at any rate, Tanya or Being X are never going to use those to describe her anyway, and they're the only two that really count for this assessment. I don't think either pronoun is wrong, fwiw, though I find 'she' more natural since the story's emphasis is clearly on her current life and identity. Plus, Tanya exists by following society's rules and accepting her place therein it, so she'd probably internalize her new gender relatively quickly. Mordaedil posted:lol They aren't explicitly male or female, boku and ore are just less likely to be used by women. Plenty of tomboy characters have used boku and tough lady badasses have used ore without thereby claiming to be men. hoobajoo fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Jan 30, 2017 |
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Mordaedil posted:Right, that's the point, isn't it? You just said it didn't exist. It doesn't exist in the same manner as in English, but that wasn't what you said. I think I'm just using a more technical or specific definition of 'gendered' than you are. At any rate, to clarify what I meant, the larger point is it's very natural to consistently refer to someone in Japanese in ways that leave gender undefined, so the problem of whether we should call Tanya 'he' or 'she' is one that's only a problem outside of its native language, which is interesting.
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Raenir Salazar posted:This reminds me, did Tanya actually just sorta forget herself in the moment of winning so hard about her goals or is this a case that once she's finally forced into completing a task she completes it to the most of her ability? It's a little at odds with her bureaucratic foot dragging earlier. It's probably the latter; she doesn't want to do this dangerous, frontline job, but if she's going to do it, she's going to make sure it gets done. Though she also seems to be the power-tripping sort, which she might not fully realize herself as she rationalizes it away. Raenir Salazar posted:I think it's Tanya that wanted to follow the book here but the troops were worried about losing the element of surprise; so she compromised? I think it's more that Tanya recognized a surprise attack would be most effective in disrupting their enemies, but being a bureaucrat at heart, she still needs to follow the proper procedures. So she found a way to de facto commit a war crime while still technically following international law. Her plan also seems premeditated, as she told Weiss he "plays too much by the book", indicating she planned to bend the rules from the start. hoobajoo fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:Aoi Yuuki Chews the loving Scenery the Anime. I love how this show is making full use of her range too, you don't see that a lot in anime.
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Ranzear posted:She's doing very well not to break into Tatsumaki too, except in the shorts. I'd roll that in as part of having good range, but maybe there's a specific word just for that. It's not the be-all-end-all of an actor's talent, of course, there's value in totally crushing one specific archetype (cough Daisuke Ono), but it's an impressive thing to have. I thought Steve Blum was getting a pass these days since Jon Benjamin exists now. hoobajoo fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:If the power of their spells is limited to their equipment to act as either an amplifier or stabilizer, or as a capacity to store magical energy and act as a conduit without exploding; then maybe there's also a use for manned heavier than air flight for mages. Since mages seem like they'd run circles around the existing planes and tear them apart, they probably can only be used once air superiority is firmly established. To use planes otherwise, they would need to be heavy enough gunships to withstand mage fire, but that technology doesn't seem to exist yet, and being at war means they need to see a quick return on their research, so it's probably not feasible. Assuming the military leaders would even think of that as a possibility in the first place. hoobajoo fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:I think it all depends on how rare they are; the loses in the WWII airwar were quite horrific to the point that you might have been safer being leg infantry. They have AA defences specifically against Mages in universe and advances in aircraft were fast enough in real life at this time that I don't really see it to be an issue; they don't need to be expected to fight Mages on an equal playing field; they just need to be able to do the job when mages aren't present; which could very well be extremely often. No doubt another decade of plane research would allow them to do much better against mages, and if this world has a WWII, that would probably be a large change. But to elaborate on my point about needing a quick return on research, the army is currently stretched thin and needs to end the war quickly, so rather than work on more transformative research to allow planes to take on new roles, it would produce more results in the short term to focus on improving planes in roles they can already be good at, like bombing. Though maybe I'm overestimating the practical cost of research projects like this. I would be excited at the very least to see planes being escorted by mages as the war advances, and it would be cool to see the two clash against each other.
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Bricklord posted:Curious as to why a diety would be obsessed with a single random rear end in a top hat, enjoying the show so far none the less. All the best myths start with a god being a petty dick about something and elaborately tormenting a mortal. "Hey Poseidon, Odysseus kinda half-assed his latest calf sacrifice to you. Really phoned it in." "HOW DARE HE! TEN YEARS OCEAN!!!" hoobajoo fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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Namtab posted:Going back to last Fridays episode, there is something very fundamental that we overlooked in our discussion of Tanya's actions. Hasn't the Empire been taking land from the Republic, though? Even if you are fighting a defensive war, I think it's normal to attack the enemy nation. Russia invaded Germany in WWII, and that wasn't seen as aggression because Germany hadn't surrendered.
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Namtab posted:At present all they're doing is repelling invaders because they have superior numbers and good quality troops. Their traditional military strategem is to keep doing this, at present very few higher ups want an offensive war. poo poo then, things definitely did get escalated. Looking forward to the next episode.
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Iretep posted:Only thing going for Tanya is that she is small and she can fly higher than the rest of the mages. She hasnt done anything that OP, she just picks positions where she is safer but at the same time seems to be heroic. To my understanding she went after the bombers because fighting actual mages is much more dangerous. Her jewel also makes her faster and hit much harder than other mages, and I assume her shields are stronger as well. She's pretty OP, even if all her power ups are quantitative differences.
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Raenir Salazar posted:You know who else didn't like smoking? The salaryman is totally the friend you have that is fun to hang out with, but god do you not want to hear about their politics.
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Golden Battler posted:That was probably my favorite part of the episode. And then she takes his gun as a Christmas present she gave herself. Tanya be cold as ice.
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Guy Goodbody posted:I'm a little disappointed that they didn't rename all the states too. My headcanon is they renamed it "R-Kansas".
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Namtab posted:Oh yeah I never mentioned but Tanya has a ton of uppers on hand. If that's the reason for her crazy-eyes battle frenzies, I like that a lot more, as I've always thought that was a bit at odds with her regular personality and outlook. Cool. Raenir Salazar posted:They also have magic. "Courage/Bravery" is a fairly basic D&D spell to put into potion form. Hasn't the magic all been basically telekinesis-based, though? All I can think of are flight, shields, and magic bullets, which are manipulating kinetic energy, so I don't know if charms are within scope for the magic here.
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kirtar posted:Don't forget optical spells which appear to range from illusions to laser beams. Oh yeah, I forgot the illusion. When were there lasers, though?
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FriggenJ posted:Well, given the time period we're speaking of she hasn't committed any war crimes that I've noticed yet. We'll see as the series goes on though. She hasn't technically committed war crimes, and technically right is the best kind of right. There isn't an international law about not being a dirtbag while following the other laws.
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Sarrisan posted:If I'm honest, I thought this was going to be garbage when I heard the concept. Yeah, on paper it sounds like the trashiest edgelord bait, but its got the looks and the writing to pull it off.
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Jackard posted:Salaryman was living for his hobbies, but Tanya doesn't seem to have any Not-Germany's military officers seem to have a poor life-work balance, and given we're comparing it to a Japanese salaryman's, that's saying a lot.
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Ranzear posted:I'd rather've had a new Opening song than a new Ending song. I'm also in the boat of generally enjoying ED1 while hating the OP. Wish they were swapped.
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Namtab posted:Your mum In Soviet Russia, Salazar's mom rides you!
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Nephthys posted:In a season full of really great anime this surprisingly turned out to be the best and most enjoyable out of them all. The main character was fantastic and the show took what could have been a schlocky premise and handled it was dignity and gravitas while also being loving insane and very fun to watch. Studio NUT really proved themselves with this. I agree, this show should have been edgelord power fantasy garbage, but turned out to have a lot more going on than just that and was a lot of fun. It's still behind the maidoragons for me, but whatever it's good. I do hope we get more of this. One of the worst parts about anime is how frequently you get a cool show with good stuff going on and you never get to see it end properly because so many things are a flash in the pan that don't get finished.
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Kylra posted:X is kind of an irresponsible jerk. "Oh yeah? If you won't worship me I'll give you an infinite supply of bombs of varying sizes to solve all your soldiering problems with, but you have to pray to me to use them!" Being X said he's overworked and can't keep up with the demands of 7 billion people already, so he's clearly not all-powerful the way Jewish/Christian/Muslim God is. He seems somewhere between that and someone like Zeus or a Supreme Kai. SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:It's an experiment to test Tanya's thesis that strife causes faith. If the war gets worse people become more faithful, and he gets to run Tanya through the wringer more the better she does in battle. It serves his purpose from both angles. Also this.
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