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From the GBS thread (not importing drama, just representin') re: "How exactly do you reasonably engage with "let's get rid of all the black people, just, y'know, make them go away":Novo posted:The same way you deal with the guy who thinks UFOs are transmitting eggnog recipes into his fillings. So if you're in public, you politely ignore him. If he's at your door with a gun then that's different. I'm preparing some sharp rear end rebuttals for that day, let me tell you
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enki42 posted:Sorry, I missed that one (and I meant this thread more). But yeah, anyone proposing no action whatsoever is an idiot. There's a big gap between that and "punch everyone you think might be a nazi". That's why I brought a quote of that, it was strikingly dumb
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Jan 24, 2017 22:57
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"Hey we're just saying, y'know, what if there were no black people? Wouldn't it be neat if they were just, y'know, gone? The exact means of disposing of them, well, we call it 'peaceful ethnic cleansing' wink wink nudge nudge" https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=AlternativeRight.com&item_type=topic This is really their foundation of argument, they're not even subtle about it. I'm glad Spencer got punched and I hope he gets punched more.
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Jan 24, 2017 23:27
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If he didn't actually mean literally Kill All The Black People, he would not be using words that literally mean Kill All The Black People ("ethnic cleansing", which he personally still advocates)
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Jan 24, 2017 23:58
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Jan 25, 2017 00:02
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A number of people have said in conversation about this whole nazi thing that it's okay, there's just no way there could ever be a fascist takeover in the US, and that the whole idea of ethnic extermination is so dumb that it could never catch on. I'm absolutely certain most of Germany never imagined poo poo like the Einsatzgruppen and gas chambers and ovens right up until they happened.
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Jan 25, 2017 04:48
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Have you not read any of the hundreds of essays Spencer and his publishing outlets have produced?
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Jan 25, 2017 06:01
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Calibanibal posted:came into this thinking it was good to punch nazis, but after reading some of the arguments itt im beginning to wonder if maybe its not good to punch nazis Please reconsider
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Jan 25, 2017 06:22
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AARO posted:Is it morally ok to beat my wife if she hates Mongolians? Is your wife advocating the genocide of Mongolians? then yes you should punch that nazi bitch  People keep asking these things the same way, it's like the loving "does the dog have a Buddha-nature" poo poo
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Jan 25, 2017 07:41
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Why would police interfere with their government-protected First Amendment rights? e: oh wait 
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Kilroy posted:I agree with this, but the thing is cops don't actually do any of that stuff, so... Well not USUALLY.
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Jan 25, 2017 11:24
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Wild Horses posted:which police, where? What iconography? They aren't wearing swastikas.
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Jan 25, 2017 12:35
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Ethnic Cleansing: an alarming political view
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FreeKillB posted:Maybe I should give an example to note that despite many efforts following this reasoning will not lead to simple 'Nazi' and 'not-a-Nazi' boxes as a coherent moral test to determine whom is to be denied the basic human right of bodily security. If your argument is that American Nazi Party rhetorical calls for ethnic cleansing justifies facepunching, then we should extend the same to all groups advocating for ethnic cleansing. Exactly right. quote:My reading of this is as clear-cut a case of advocating ethnic cleansing as you can get. Under the proposed moral test, it would be cool and good for conservatives to go around sucker punch members of HT. If they're advocating ethnic cleansing then yes I agree they should get the fist.
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Jan 26, 2017 18:32
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:There's about a 0.0% chance of Nazis taking over America. Nazis are not a threat at all. The majority of Americans are well acquainted with other races and Jewish people and aren't going to let their friends and co-workers be exterminated in camps. This is the worst.
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Jan 26, 2017 19:10
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The Kingfish posted:"Effectiveness" or "considering the effect that my actions will have on others" is morality. This isn't a common definition for "effectiveness" much like relocation and segregation are not common definitions for "ethnic cleansing", fyi.
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Jan 27, 2017 03:40
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The villains here actually are irredeemable though and deserved to be punched, and punched some more
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Jan 27, 2017 06:55
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Mass murder, ethnic cleansing: These are just expressions of politics guys, just like democracy!!
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:having positive opinions about genocide isn't the same thing as doing a genocide and does not warrant the same response Working to implement genocide and ethnic cleansing for a decade: same as thinking about it guys!! Really there's NO WAY it could happen here!
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Jan 30, 2017 03:59
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:idgi, what does "working to implement it" entail, like did he write a book or something or has he been amassing zyklon b and developing jew-sniffing death showers to secretly deploy at truck stops across the country You know this thing with politicians that run for office and dudes that work with them and advise them and then stuff happens?? Maybe you haven't heard of it a lot of people don't understand it.
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Jan 30, 2017 04:06
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You literally need to wait until they stuff you into the gas chamber before you can oppose them guys, anything else is just .... uncivilized!!
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Jan 30, 2017 04:07
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:so he has an idea and he's trying to get people to share his idea and it hasn't worked because we don't have some kind of weird active genocide going on, idg the risk If you can't see how this fresh, hip idea about racial cleansing is genuinely gaining traction in the past couple of years, you must not be watching the news.
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Jan 30, 2017 04:12
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... and that relates to people working tirelessly to accomplish literal, actual genocide in what way exactly?
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Jan 30, 2017 04:16
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:it relates to them failing hilariously So you're saying that it's impossible they they'll ever succeed? I guess? Which is pretty dumb?
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i'm saying that i haven't seen any convincing indicators that they will, other than if you scream trump or something, which i don't really sign onto as an indicator of impending fascism or genocide despite joking about it continually in the months leading up to the election There was this little thing called World War II that maybe you've heard of? It's a doctrine that fundamentally revolves around categorical oppression and mass murder, Hitler (you know, THAT GUY) crushed his opposition with assassination and seized power, and you think they should just get unlimited time and do-overs until they actually are in control? What?
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Jan 30, 2017 04:24
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i went over that before man, the world and ~the culture~ changed at least in my view Your view (that nazi organization is on the decline or not gaining traction) is provably really wrong though. Like, super wrong. I mean, here's one pretty loud and clear example: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/dec/01/stop-fascism-becoming-word-of-the-year-urges-us-dictionary "People are too nice to get into fascism these days guys" ahahahaha
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Jan 30, 2017 04:32
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This notion that some kind of overwhelming majority is required for full fascism to take off, that's neat. Do you think Hitler had to get a 75% majority vote before he started sticking people into gas chambers?
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Jan 30, 2017 04:36
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:you're arguing hypotheticals that are nowhere close to being fulfilled, if they ever do at all And you're not doing the same? Are you some kind of telepathic census taker? If empirical evidence that organized nazism (whether i name or simply a duplication of ideological goals) is gaining traction is not enough to convince you what are you making your judgment on?
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Jan 30, 2017 04:55
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Pseudo-God posted:Maybe these mobs can have a designated guy with a checklist who goes through the opinions of the potential targets. Each opinion on the list entitles the lucky winner with a set amount of punches. Ethnic cleansing: Just like, your opinion man
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:what i'm saying is that the evidence i've seen doesn't convince me that a movement large enough to cause a genocide, or anything close to a genocide, is capable of forming at the moment Okay, well, the evidence I've seen convinces me that you do not assign sufficient weight to the consequences of allowing these motherfuckers free reign to try try try again until oops they get it right and then, well, that's pretty bad isn't it? I don't think the other guys are very interested in how chillax you are.
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Jan 30, 2017 05:06
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:well yeah, it's not like a roadrunner cartoon where the nazis keep setting up one elaborate rube goldberg contraption after another until one finally works and all the jews get dead It's okay everybody, we're too chillax and there's just no way it can happen here  Keep your head in the sand, it must be really comfortable.
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:well yeah, it's not like a roadrunner cartoon where the nazis keep setting up one elaborate rube goldberg contraption after another until one finally works and all the jews get dead and ps yes, it literally is just like that.
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:hmm ok, what are the hate crime statistics from that same site They get their statistics from the FBI, so if you want to play that game you're welcome to look at comparative numbers from the FBI here yourself (you can chillax and smoke a fattie while you pretend nothing's wrong everything is fine) https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2013/topic-pages/incidents-and-offenses/incidentsandoffenses_final https://ucr.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/incidentsandoffenses_final https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2015/topic-pages/incidentsandoffenses_final
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i might take a break from the thread since it's getting late, don't know about the reading part though Spencer has written about 500 essays and articles on white pride and ethnic cleansing that should make good bedtime reading, pleasant dreams friend!
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Jan 30, 2017 05:49
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Guess what happened in 2103. Go on. e: I have a very specific event in mind that pertains to this and I'll spell it out if you want but really take a swing at it. 
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In 2013 Richard Spencer et al. re-engineered all of their more overt "seriously, let's kill the black people" content into their new, hip, swag, dope, totally epic message format and tone that is those totally lovable, fun, hilarious guys popularly known as the Alt Right, and oops they may have hit the correct combination because they are very obviously gaining traction. This change in their message tone and packaging was not accidental and was not something they did on a whim. This is when, don't laugh, the Pepe poo poo got rolling. “We have to look good,” he told Salon.com writer Lauren Fox, because no one is going to want to join a movement that is “crazed or ugly or vicious or just stupid.” e: quote:Real diversity and tolerance apparently only go so far, however. In an address at white supremacist Jared Taylor’s 2013 American Renaissance conference, Spencer called for “peaceful ethnic cleansing.” As an example of how this could be accomplished, he cited the 1919 Paris Peace Conference, where new national boundaries were formed at the end of World War I. “Today, in the public imagination, ‘ethnic cleansing’ has been associated with civil war and mass murder (understandably so),” Spencer said. “But this need not be the case. 1919 is a real example of successful ethnic redistribution—done by fiat, we should remember, but done peacefully.”
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The Number of Hate Groups stat does a fuckin 90 degree turn dude, keep chillaxin tho 
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Indigofreak posted:Doesn't look like it to me. It was an act. He isn't afraid at all. He's still spewing his hate all over. It was ineffective. He ran away crying and holding his huwty ear and he himself admits that that loving gif actually really damaged his cause, which is great, so let's see it and all enjoy it together   “I’m afraid this is going to become the meme to end all memes,” Spencer said in a periscope video. “That I’m going to hate watching this.” I love the way he cowers and cringes as he runs away 
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enki42 posted:Cool, why don't you show me an example of Nazis cowering in fear as a result of this punch, because last time I checked Richard Spencer was still posting / giving interviews / etc.  owwww it hutsss  ((
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