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PleasingFungus posted:This is an idiotic reaction to a phenomenon of mass ignorance. You should be reaching out to these people and trying to educate them as a basis for forming a real mass politics. They obviously didn't decide they don't want healthcare, or else they wouldn't express the fear that they're gonna lose it. They thought Trump was going to replace the ACA with a better healthcare system, which is what he actually said. They didn't think he'd try to wipe it all out in one fell swoop without an alternative plan. That makes them idiotic rubes, not maliciously self-destructive psychopaths. This has always been a country of rubes and con men, and you can't blame people for their gross ignorance when the system is built up to keep them that way.
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Epic High Five posted:https://twitter.com/amnaahasanii/status/825463787952152579 dude iranian americans, ahem, 'persians,' are the most credulous loving rubes out of any model minority ethnic group. ive always known this
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i did not know that but holy poo poo it explains so much. i'm indian and have interacted with plenty of persians and yea india is a poo poo hole but in that instance the US actually brain drained the right people, lol.
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Daniel Hillard posted:It's pretty rude to make a mess then just leave the country forever
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Epic High Five posted:rural whites will participate in revolution before the urban libs do, and when the libs join in it will be on the side of the fascists "urban libs" are black brown and asian people and their districts are the ones sending people like AOC and Rashida Tlaib to washington. rural whites otoh, are former dixiecrats and are the people who are currently the most enamored with fascism so they keep sending Joe Manchin to congress. believe it or not, the constituencies which once supported leftist politics have actually changed a great deal since the 1920s, most notably in 1968 after which white people stopped supporting left-liberals en masse cargo cult has issued a correction as of 11:30 on May 2, 2019 |
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May 2, 2019 10:52
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white socialists on cspam desperately want to believe that white rurals arent racist fentanyl addled lumpenproles who are constantly seduced by fascism and are in fact quietly seething with revolutionary potential, its just left untapped by dirty (((urban libs))) who are too busy electing brown women socialists white rurals who are totally for real secret socialists are the same ones who plot about assassinating ilhan omar on a daily basis and are stupid enough to post about publicly such that the FBI and Secret Service couldn't possibly ignore
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May 2, 2019 11:29
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im just saying rural marxist nerds on this board have this performative contempt for "urban liberals" as if that doesn't mean districts heavily featuring working class people of color who actually elect insurgent populists / justice democrat candidates, which is a trend that no other districts or constituencies have actually followed suit on, despite attempts to do so in places like WV, St. Louis and Ohio
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May 2, 2019 11:39
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Where is there any evidence to support the idea that white rurals are just waiting for legit left wing candidates to stop ignoring them? Why don't legitimate WWC insurgent left populists like Iron Stache or Richard Ojeda get anywhere, when someone like AOC can upend the chain of seniority and patronage at the top of the democratic establishment within a single election?
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May 2, 2019 11:56
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I am going to be honest I got triggered by that quote in question because Epic High Five asserted that rural white people will more readily join in (presumably left wing) revolution than urban liberals, despite the fact that urban liberals are actually the ones at the receiving end of state enforced white supremacy. I also really dislike the notion that White Supremacy in the red states is exclusively the province of upper middle class white people, who somehow manipulated working people into engaging in racist violence like lynchings. This to me sounds like fantastical revisionism. I'm pretty sure participation in pogroms and race riots isn't limited to class. From what I remember of American history some of the most strident and violent resistance to reconstruction came from white peasants who wanted to at least have a place in the caste system higher than freedmen.
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May 2, 2019 12:26
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Because American democracy is a sham designed to prevent any challenge to entrenched power structures, and that is more true of districts which are mostly dead foundries and hog poo poo lagoons than places with a bunch more potential voters who just don’t bother? AOC and Omar get so much attention because they’re pretty much the only ones to make it, and they’re basically under constant attack even by their own party.
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May 2, 2019 12:29
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I just think only crypto-nazbol types can be open eye hallucinating fever dreams of revolutionary violence in Red America. if the Federal government finally concedes its monopoly on violence in the flyover states the people living there aren't going to march a thousand miles to try to re-enact the siege of Sarajevo on the hamptons and lower manhattan they're going to immediately start ethnically cleansing ethnic, gender, sexual and religious and minorities before issuing their own crypto-currency backed by oxycodone as their central currency for their breakway fail state if you think this is a desirable outcome its cause you see the sectarian violence as an acceptable loss, probably cause you figure you wont be on the receiving end of it. either way you definitely cant pass yourself off as a leftist because thats insane bullshit
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May 2, 2019 13:02
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going to a public school that's making an effort at desegregation and participating in sports and other extra curriculars gives people a good chance at deracialized socialization this is why i think rurals who hate urbans for being effete and out of touch are bordering on self parody. White people in urbanized blue areas are plenty receptive to left politicians and policies. There's nothing inherently noble and salt of the earth about rural living cargo cult has issued a correction as of 13:19 on May 2, 2019 |
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May 2, 2019 13:17
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Serf posted:i went to public school where the population was roughly 60/40 white/black and i turned out just fine along with most of my peers
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May 2, 2019 13:23
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Serf posted:i think the "urban libs" label you're talking about generally describes someone white, with a well-paying job who plays at being non-racist but is just nervous about these redistributive economic ideas for some odd reason
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May 2, 2019 13:26
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there are tens of millions of left leaning urban white people who are squarely in the lower middle class, middle middle or upper middle class. you can't just convince yourselves those demographics don't exist anymore because hillary lost by 150,000 votes spread across 3 rustbelt states
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May 2, 2019 13:29
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Serf posted:i went to public school where the population was roughly 60/40 white/black and i turned out just fine along with most of my peers cargo cult posted:are you white or black if i can ask?
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May 2, 2019 13:33
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lol white genocide would not be a desirable outcome even if it were a real possibility
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May 2, 2019 13:54
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Serf posted:no, you can't
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May 2, 2019 14:03
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Agean90 posted:shut the gently caress up liberal
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May 2, 2019 14:12
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are you guys seriously about to argue that black chattel slavery wasn't distinct from the practice of indentured servitude? Black slaves were born into slavery as were their descendants. Indentured servitude existed on a finite timeline. White supremacy has had explicitly defined legal proscriptions since the founding of the country.
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Agean90 posted:The only person arguing that is you dumb gently caress lmao
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May 2, 2019 14:27
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Serf posted:maybe read zinn where he talks about how black slaves and white workers in the colonies did actually join forces on several occasions and had to be crushed by military force, and this was an issue until the introduction of the privileged white race concept
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May 2, 2019 14:43
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Agean90 posted:Yeah, it's almost like the system was constructed to prevent that from happening. Like... They didn't want the working class to unify
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May 2, 2019 14:50
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean that’s more Europeans couldn’t justify enslaving each other while African tribes didn’t give a poo poo.
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May 2, 2019 14:51
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Halloween Jack posted:So the problem here is that you're a reactionary: that is, you make no effort to understand people who disagree with you, and you entertain bizarre, paranoid fantasies about us. Have fun with that!
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May 2, 2019 14:55
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Halloween Jack posted:So the problem here is that you're a reactionary: that is, you make no effort to understand people who disagree with you, and you entertain bizarre, paranoid fantasies about us. Have fun with that!
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May 2, 2019 14:57
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean what is wrong with. that? They couldn’t. Africans still had slavery and the Euros used that.
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May 2, 2019 14:58
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Agean90 posted:Yeah they weren't, because the society of the south is constructed in such a way as to make that separation exant. Which means we need to reject the system pushed by the ruling elite in favor of one that's based around egalitarianism and equality. Which is what people here argue not whatever bizzare poo poo your talking about.
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Halloween Jack posted:So the problem here is that you're a reactionary: that is, you make no effort to understand people who disagree with you, and you entertain bizarre, paranoid fantasies about us. Have fun with that!
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May 2, 2019 15:08
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Agean90 posted:I agree, people wind up being shaped by the system they live in. It leads to a chicken and egg issue where the system reinforces itself from top and bottom where the people at the top prevent different factions of the lower class from challenging the status quo by offering incentives for them to do so (the Wikipedia page on New Orleans dockworker organizing is a good example of this, the unions were doing a massive biracial push that was resisted for the stated reason of "suggesting racial equality") while a lot of working class whites are more than willing to help out without the incentives as pride makes am excellent salve for being broke as poo poo (again, the Wikipedia page on New Orleans dockworkers also provides and example of this as a likely reason for the push being successful was because the black union was able to force a measure of cooperation from the white union inspite of the white unions membership base).
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May 2, 2019 15:16
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Blast of Confetti posted:yo whered these nazis come from
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May 2, 2019 15:20
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claiming american chattel slavery wasnt an inherently racist and white supremacist institution would result in you failing an American 7th grade civics exam, but here we are, hashing it out on the far left politics forum
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May 2, 2019 15:22
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CharlestheHammer posted:I would not try and use the American education system as a positive, especially considering it for the most is a white supremacy factory
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May 2, 2019 15:29
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Serf posted:i guess its a good thing that's only happening in your head
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Serf posted:i think a basic level of historical awareness and reading comprehension could tell you that no, they did not. unless, like with your "irish slaves" argument, you'd like to present some evidence to the contrary white supremacy wasn't bolted on as ideological superstructure post-facto african capitives were designated as subhumam upon first contact, well before they even reached the new world and began being worked to death
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Why were they captives if not to be enslaved, though? European contempt for Africans prior to imperial domination abroad was premised on things like them having an alien culture or a heathen religion and the wrong kind of pants. Like, cultural rather than blood difference.
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May 2, 2019 15:50
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Serf posted:i suppose we're arguing about whether or not white people are born racist, and i would argue that it is a learned behavior which is very much intended by the powers that be because a united underclass is something that terrifies them. hence why, historically, groups of whites and blacks who came together were put down with haste it's not a uniquely american contrivance but it seems to have become a lot more pernicious, ubiquitous and a lot more explicitly anti-black by the late 18th century. at some point white supremacy did take on a distinctly american characteristic though cargo cult has issued a correction as of 15:59 on May 2, 2019 |
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May 2, 2019 15:56
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Serf posted:this is an incomprehensible word salad. read zinn, or hell look up the actual events themselves and draw your conclusions from there, not this feverish key-slapping to justify your paranoid nihilism your theory of history basically precludes a comprehensive understanding of the black american experience, and based on your statements you think that it can just be subsumed into the broader class politics of the era 
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Serf posted:i don't recall saying you were incorrect on that, which you would know if you actually read people's posts. but before you do that, i'd recommend picking up a book first. zinn covers what i'm talking about in the first few chapters, it won't take long to get there
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