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Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.
Can't educate them if they don't want to be.

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Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Uncle Wemus posted:

Is it that hillary was just THAT unlikable or was the right wing rhetoric/propaganda machine that strong?

Or both?

Both. :foxnews: is that powerful.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.
When are food prices projected to go up because of harvest failures since they got rid of all of the immigrant labor that does it? A lot of the red states cut SNAP so the combination of those things will be a huge disaster.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Bear Retrieval Unit posted:

Why do you think cops are stocking up on grenade launchers and machine guns?

Rural red state cops usually dont make more than 35-40k/year in my experience so I don't expect them to be happy about this either.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

don't get too smug guys. how u gunna afford dat avocado toast when the midwest breadbasket has no more grain and mexican avocados have a 5000% tariff? california can't save u they spent all their fresh water on almonds

Do you even grow? :smug:

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.
I wonder if that guy stil votes republican.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Iron Crowned posted:

:laffo: that's what they make on paper, it doesn't include what they steal

What exactly is there to steal in bumblefuck, ruralsville?

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

From whom? These people have basically no cash on hand, no jobs and no valuable property. Its going to take a lot of half-broken 1994 F-150 forfeitures to make anything significant.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.
QV is right about incrementalism sucking rear end. I'd also like to add the d&d attitude that if a solution isn't 100% perfect then its terrible hitler turds also sucks rear end.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Badger of Basra posted:

is that the dnd attitude or the cspam attitude

dnd, I've watched it happen in the climate change thread, the energy thread, the rwm thread, &c. Something is broken in these people's brains that they are not willing to take an imperfect solution to solve a huge problem now then improve upon said solution continuously.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

got any sevens posted:

the ACA was also supposed to be a first step towards medicare for all but now dems are fighting it tooth and nail :thunk:

I've been drinking a lot so, in the spirit of the thread, dumb this down to something a regretful trump voter could understand.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Business Gorillas posted:

what you're talking about is actual incrementalism, which is good

the suck zone version of incrementalism is immediately starting at a compromise (either out of bad faith or refusing to use the bully pulpit) and compromising again and again until almost nothing happens

the second version has been used pretty consistently by the business wings of both parties to stave off any populist policy. an unintended consequence of this is the gradual erosion of belief in "the process" to the point that the entire government is the enemy to the common man, but i guess that doesn't matter too much when you're retired on your whore island (paid for by corporate donations to your campaign) at that point

I don't think its quite the same because a lot of it is big stuff. Like corporate speech restrictions, breaking up blatant monopolies, removing the anti-union bits of taft-hartley, changing the tax code, &c.

When I think incrementalism I think :smugdon: promising his supporters wages will go up while signing a bill increasing minimum wage to 15$/hour in the year 2055.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Business Gorillas posted:

is "they're not corrupt, they're totally spineless and put party politics over country" supposed to make me feel better?

edit: if we need to beat some of them with progressive candidates anyways, why don't we just get rid of all of them? sounds like keeping a bunch of spineless centrists around who apparently buckle at the slightest amount of resistance is bad for fights that will happen when said progressive candidates start pushing for anti-corporate policy

I tried this where I used to live and it was nigh impossible to do it through party frame work. They don't even care about winning as long as the "right" person is the candidate. The "right" person meaning whoever was buddies with the party officers.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Al! posted:

wait pizza shops dont get commercial insurance for their delivery drivers!?!?!?!??!

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, no. Pizza shops avoid having any responsibility for their drivers.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Magres posted:

Agreed, I just meant that even if somehow it did happen and were actually used to fund retraining programs, it wouldn't do a god damned bit of good. We've already tried to do retraining with coal workers and they just steadfastly refuse to take advantage of the programs because surely god emperor Trump will bring back coal any day now.

I think its more that they are unwilling to retrain to something that is not guaranteed to employ them nor guaranteed to pay the same or better than what they got as a miner.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Crocoswine posted:

except the people from that "nfl is niggers for life" article where a dude had like 150+ jobs available in his factories or whatever but all these miners in the area refused to retrain because they just love coal so goddamned much

like the jobs were there, they were just stubborn jackasses

I'll give you that a minority of them are retarded fuckos but, I need some kind of evidence if you're going to suggest its anymore than that.

Think about it, if you had a job that paid 80k/yr and someone comes to tell you about this retraining program that might get you a job paying a third of what you previously made. Are you going to take them up on it? gently caress no.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.
Does the sorghum trade ships turning around now that China slapped tariffs on it count?

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Burt Sexual posted:

I’ve said this for years here and elsewhere, why does annnnyone use capital one or chase? Fooled by hook promotions and too lazy to change?

For my in-laws its a combination of way too many things are on auto pay which is apparently impossible to stop and laziness.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Epic High Five posted:

EMTs are barely paid above minimum wage unless they're with the fire department

Yeah most are volunteer in my state.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Krankenstyle posted:

In recent years, "yellow" unions have been making inroads here as well; classical unions are red and they will fight for you, literally. the yellow unions will only pay out union dole and dont give a poo poo if you get fired illegally

This basically describes my experience with AFL-CIO.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Dr. Killjoy posted:

please tell me we’re still allowed to and going to troll these guys Tea Party Community and Reaganbook style when the site finally goes up.

TPC invasion is one of the most glorious moments of SA.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Roki B posted:

I missed this one, deets?

Let me see if I can find the thread can't do it the majesty it deserves in post.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrKomputerKid/status/1061522716568772608

continue to be amazed at how long it takes the lightbulb to go on for these cretins, but i guess it's good to know trump approval hasn't hit rock bottom yet

I'm not convinced it does go on. The fool will go vote for the next not Trump republican. Its a cycle, vote republican -> gets hosed -> present impotent rage somewhere -> votes for a different republican -> gets hosed -> &c.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:

Tim Jr is a resistance lib now lol

What the gently caress?

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

HotCanadianChick posted:

Counterpoint: killing people in revolutions and mass incarceration in gulags has gotten us North Korea, the USSR, China, etc.

Karl Marx is turning in his grave so fast he’s getting friction burns, that so many self proclaimed ‘leftists’ are so eager to become the oppressors of their fellow man. If you’re just going to replace the capitalist oligarchy with some other form of grinding, oppressive dystopia, but with yourself at the top, you don’t deserve to call yourself a socialist/ communist/anarchist.

You're a lovely troll. I miss Amergin.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Is this what a gammon is?

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.
Truckers are a menace in my area bring back the trains.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Sedisp posted:

It's this. Hell I barely speak any spanish and I do this to the pale skinned demons.

Its hilarious and gets you out of so much bs.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

euphronius posted:

Lebanon county like an hour from Philadelphia and even closer to other small cities. there is no excuse to being that insular except you want to be.

also Spanish should be mandatory in every US school (lol this will never happen)

There's literally no excuse for being insular in pennsylvania if you're near a city. The northeast has Scranton and Hazleton. The southeast has Philly, Allentown and a whole bunch of other almost cities.

Alright you got me for the middle portion because the only thing going for middle pennsylvania is Centre county which when I was there was busy trying to cover for child sex abuser football coach.

The West has Erie and Pittsburgh. Which are both huge and have their own almost cities around them.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

fits my needs posted:

many midwesterners streaming into the thread saying how pennsyltucky shouldn't be racist.....but yet....they still persisted

I haven't had my coffee yet so I can't parse this post.

What?

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

euphronius posted:

i guess my point was there are legitimately isolated parts of PA hours and hours from anything remotely “diverse” but Lebanon county is not one of those places

Oh absolutely everything in the middle aside from the island that is Centre county is pretty isolated.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Blast of Confetti posted:

yo whered these nazis come from

The suburbs

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.
We need another season of who is america.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

BiggerBoat posted:

I don't think it's fair or accurate to attribute around half of Americans not bothering to vote simply to being uninspired.

There's an element of laziness, willful ignorance and "both sides" bullshit, along with disenfranchisement and the fact that many people work two jobs or don't have ONE that will excuse them long enough to get it done. If you're a wage earner, have a kid, any sort of health or transportation issues and lack in free time in general, it can be a chore. I've met a ton of people who wear the not voting badge as a symbol of honor and gently caress that.

Fact is, when turnout is high, leftist policies and democratic candidates do well but, also, sitting around and waiting for the perfect candidate to "inspire" you when you either lack the ambition or the time to get involved is often a total cop out. You can make the time once every 4 years - at least most people can.

I loathe the idea of a Joe Biden candidacy and hope he's not our nominee but I will crawl across broken glass to vote for him if it comes to that. I don't think that makes me part of a larger problem in and of itself. Maybe it does.

I echo the perfect candidate thing. Purity tests are stupid and prevent progress from happening. However, I'm not voting for a candidate that's essentially a republican with a D next to their name. No more third way, no more corporatism, no more coddling rich people, no more ignoring the climate troubles, no more bullshit justice system, no more criminal finance system. My vote is going to Bernie whether he's the nominee or not.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

I'm not even 100% sure you can chalk it up to outright racism. Which sucks because at least that would make a type of sense. A lot of people are just short-sighted, selfish, proudly ignorant and just overall idiots. Although obviously racism gets its thumb on the scale.

I'm not from that state, but I see the same stuff in my smaller town and around my redneck state. Oh sure, just slash the entire arts and culture budget. It's fine and there's definitely no way to pay for it. Sure, refuse to pay teachers anything close to a reasonable wage or give them healthcare. Sure, kill that school levy because how dare they raise a few million for a nice cafeteria that they're going to use for the next 20 years. Wait, they want to consolidate two schools out of desperation (and to address how few people are left). I will scream to the heavens until you stop. Then I'll vote no on the next levy. Sure, waste a shitload of money on coal subsidies, and keeping a coal power plant open and refuse to collect taxes on the coal companies.

Oh, wow, the state's broke and we have lovely schools and no culture or anything to do, and no wants to live here. Who could have seen that coming?

It's a special kind of broken brain issue and I'm really not sure how anyone can fix it, except for no joke taking away 60+ year-olds' right to vote.


Its this. I'm in one of the only jobs that pays a decent wage and the townies are spiteful AF. My name and salary is in the paper twice a year as a "look at how your tax dollars are spent." Every time there's a teachers strike cause the school board is full of chuds the townies freak out "teachers shouldn't strike they make too much money!" Add stubborness and racism to the mix. There's basically no hope for this area to become something decent and the only saving grace is the median age is 60~.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Epic High Five posted:

I've voted for lovely loser Dems my whole life and 99% of the time they still fuckin lose. 1% of the time they win but stab the left in the back

Never again. Put Bernie on the ballot or his names going in the write in box libs

420 smoke hostages erryday

Literally the same. I'm so loving tired of "pragmatic" dems which are really republican-lite. Never again, i won't vote for anymore corporation felating "good things aren't possible" dems anymore. Run on the republican ticket where you should have been all along.

Its Bernie or Bernie.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Philthy posted:

this is exactly how we ended up with trmp

all the bernie bros on my feed refused to vote for anyone else

no one will ever be 100% of who you want in office - never ever

your perfect candidate will look like poo poo to the other 70% of the population and your main wants will not even register on everyone elses list

so instead of taking your ball and just not voting like a pissed off third grader, vote for the person who best matches your wants.

in this upcoming election, its either an insane fascist racist shitbag, or someone trying to stop it

poo poo, bernie already had a heart attack, he isn't going to be president on that alone
We ended up with trump cause superdelegates overrode popular sentiment and gave us a terrible candidate: hillary clinton.

gently caress you and your implied obligations.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

when i point out that bernie probably won’t have the votes in congress to enact his agenda y’all tell me it’s not about that, it’s about building a long-term movement away from succ dems. which is good, yea, sign me up

that’s just wildly inconsistent with the idea that this election has to have a quick victory that delivers big change within 4 years or give up and let the fash take over

we’ve been through this before. we need progressive dems at all levels of government, especially congress, to get poo poo done. it’s a long term project. the short-term doomsday rhetoric is poison. it points all the grassroots energy into the presidential election for the big win instead of laying groundwork by working for progressive primary candidates downballot. and... it’s exactly the narrative used to push primary votes to status quo candidates like biden based on ~electability~

Executive order.

E: Bernard mentioned this but, I don't know how it would work; reassign beer judge and plagiarism judge to low tier courts.

Azuth0667 has issued a correction as of 20:29 on Nov 17, 2019

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

:thunk:

as ive already pointed out itt, Hillary was the anointed one in 2008 yet barack HUSSEIN obama edged her out.

if you can’t overcome some superdelegates how the gently caress do u expect to overcome GOP scorched earth tactics and spineless centrist dems in congress?

You didn't read any of my posts or have severe reading comprehension issues.

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Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.
When do the sinkholes begin consuming suburbs and walmarts?

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